Thread Related Files posted at WOODWEB's Forums and Exchanges should provide supporting information for the topic being discussed in the current message thread. 2/15       #16: I've Had It With Uni-Bond! Correction to my earlier post: actual film thickness is less than calculations based on spreader notch area. Free delivery. FORUM GUIDELINES: Please review the guidelines below before posting at WOODWEB's Interactive Message Boards (return to top) Date of your Birth: We quit the Uni-bond when the formulation changed to less formaldehyde. Ed A Thread Related Link that directs visitors to an area with inappropriate content will be removed. The V notches are approximately 1mm (1+ edge, 1- legs) on 3mm centers. I end up with a notch 1/16 wide and 1/32 tall. Titebond 3 sounds like it will NOT give me the degree of waterproofing I need, but I was still hoping to be able to utilize some type of non-catalyzed one step glue…(for both ease of use, and to minimize waste). This puts on the perfect amount glue. That stuff can get really slippery. Contact WOODWEB Classified Ad Exchange Upon more research though, it appears that Unibond 800 is what a lot of people are using for such things. This puts on the perfect amount glue. Libel:   Posts which defame an individual or organization, or employ a tone which can be viewed as malicious in nature. 2/12       #15: I've Had It With Uni-Bond! Please Note: If you have posted a message or response, Website: http://www.veneersystems.com Website: http://www.veneersystems.com A vacuum bag works good, or just a substrate with weight. Epoxy when you don't want to apply water (aka wood or hide glue) to one side of a piece of wood and not the other, due to the consequential warping that can result from unevenly wetting a piece of wood. I wouldn’t fret to much unless you have a hot or cold panel press. You will not have any springback or creep with these glues. 2/7       #7: I've Had It With Uni-Bond! As far as the expense, measure it out. ... Titebond 50 is a ready to use, fast setting aliphatic resin emulsion adhesive with excellent heat resistance. Notched spreaders can be found at most hardware stores in the flooring department. Cabinetmaking Forum Constructive criticism is acceptable (return to top). Cold press laminating normally falls into one of three categories: panel-on-frame, veneer/solid core laminating, or high-pressure laminate gluing. Review WOODWEB's Copyright Policy. 1/16" notched trowel. David R Sochar (adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); After months of re-formulating and tweaking these adhesives, I believe you will find the Better Bond adhesives the absolute best. Machinery Exchange Helping professional furniture makers improve quality, save time, and increase profits David Website: http://www.veneersystems.com $('.thumbcount').html("1"); Finishing issues for the production environment ... What about using a wet film gage? Below are the technical details of the Better Bond X-Press veneer adhesive versus its nearest competitor. Review WOODWEB's Copyright Policy. Dealing with Defects The same thing happened when machinery was introduced to the home hobbyist. Private response requests are appropriate at WOODWEB's Exchanges and Job Opportunities and Services. Hello David, The glue spreaders we sell are designed to put down the correct amount of glue. Architectural Woodworking Forum The curing speed is what most users will appreciate, but others have commented on its exceptional forgiveness in application. and then mix again with a power mixer. Even with my relatively low notch area, I can get unacceptable bleed through if I'm not careful about cleaning up/removing excess glue - pressure and angle can make a big difference. I've been very happy with it's performance on my box I'm A forum for the discussion of business topics: from sales and marketing to dealing with difficult customers. It is as good as any wood glue as far as your everyday woodworking applications are concerned. Refer a Friend || Read 2/7       #6: I've Had It With Uni-Bond! Taping Veneers Part 4 } ) ; (return to form) An open ended question (like the one above) invites responses that may read as sales pitches. Responses should relate to the original question. There are many different sizes and shapes (V-notch, square-notch). UnibondOne or Titebond Cold Press are one-part veneer glues formulated to resist bleed-through. Employment opportunities and services within the woodworking industry 2/15       #16: I've Had It With Uni-Bond! 2/10       #10: I've Had It With Uni-Bond! WOODWEB reserves the right to delete any messages with links it deems inappropriate. Unibond 800 has been formulated to provide the same bond quality at room temperature, making it an excellent choice for vacuum pressing. Peeling off the veneer shows how well it gets covered. If any little clumps remained they needed to be broken up and mixed in again. ... Depending on what you are trying to do, you might try Unibond 800, a two part adhesive which has a really hard glue-line, and a long open time to allow you to work with it. Refer a Friend || Read I use a metal spreader from Ace hardware that has a 1/16" x 1/16" square notch pattern. ... Do you mean "Pro-Glue" instead of "Pro-Bond"? Your Name: Veneer Storage Companies participating in a Forum discussion should provide specific answers to posted questions. Forum participants will be able to contact you using a contact link (included with your post) that is substituted for your actual address. Vacuum Bag Basics Sawing and Drying Forum if($('.thumbcount').html() != "1") { Forums Welcome Don't be fooled by other adhesives that claim a ridiculously high level of solid content. Inappropriate links will be removed without notice, and at WOODWEB's sole discretion. John Van Brussel Even so, thickness can vary depending angle and pressure. Extensive testing and valuable user feedback allowed us to fine tune the volume of an advanced synthetic fibrous-resin additive that we blend into every batch. This is still one of the best wood glues around, and if you want to save a little bit of money, it is well worth buying Buy glue and adhesives for wood, metal and plastic surfaces. Whatever it is, they have worked well for me (even w/ unfilled PVA and porous quarter grain veneer). Galleries I did two tests to calculate film thickness using grams of glue used per square meter. Titebond cold press glue is indicated for veneer glue ups due to its viscous nature. Amazing Bookmatches Discussing topics related to the machining of solid wood The name you enter in this field will be the name that appears with your post or response (return to form). Our last couple gallons of Unibond only lasts about 4 months in a cool shop. window.dataLayer = window.dataLayer || []; date.setTime(date.getTime() + (180 * 24 * 60 * 60 * 1000)); Advertising is inappropriate. FORUM GUIDELINES: Please review the guidelines below before posting at WOODWEB's Interactive Message Boards (return to top) Employment opportunities and services within the woodworking industry Considering I used a 55 lb scale and relatively small test pieces (~.3 sq meters), the 4 and 5.6 mil results are surprisingly close. type, but we are having to mix and roll out almost 3 times as much glue as they suggest. View higher quality, full size image (1600 X 1200), Dust Collection, Safety and Plant Operation, Job Opportunities and Woodworking Services. Finding the ideal solid content was not difficult but it did require extensive testing. Lumber Exchange I test with samples I put in the press for a couple of minutes. At least with unfilled PVA's, there is a fine line between 100% veneer coverage and porous quarter grain bleed through. (return to top) Messages requesting private responses will be removed - Forums are designed to provide information and assistance for all of our visitors. do not submit this request ... you are already signed up 2/11       #13: I've Had It With Uni-Bond! WOODWEB reserves the right to delete any messages with links or images it deems inappropriate. WOODWEB is a professional industrial woodworking site. I then file it down to a height of 1/32". (return to top) ... A: Between 200 and 250 square feet depending on the porosity of the material being glued. Machinery Exchange Chris When posting listings in these areas, review the posting instructions carefully. Industry News function gtag(){dataLayer.push(arguments);} If its a flat surface, in my experience, Tight bond 2 is just fine. E-Mail Address Finishing issues for the production environment Dust Collection, Safety and Plant Operation Forum. 335 Bedell Road (return to top). Discussing quality standards and production of architectural wood products Forum users may perceive your references to specific products as unsolicited advertising (spam) and consciously avoid your web site or services. This is what gives the glue its bite. Subject lines should provide an indication of the content of your post. If any little clumps remained they needed to be broken up and mixed in again. That's why I sent our cold press adhesives (now known as X-Press™ veneer glue) to some of the most demanding cabinet and furniture shops in the country. Messages should be kept reasonably short and on topic, relating to the focus of the forum. Your Name: Discussing quality standards and production of architectural wood products Even with my relatively low notch area, I can get unacceptable bleed through if I'm not careful about cleaning up/removing excess glue - pressure and angle can make a big difference. Veneer Forum Commercial Kiln Drying Forum Trade prices. Veneer Forum Titebond cold press works OK, if you keep pressure while setting. See the commentary at the bottom of this page for more information. At least with unfilled PVA's, there is a fine line between 100% veneer coverage and porous quarter grain bleed through. TiteBond III is very water resistant, even passing the WBP type one … An electronic discussion group for woodworkers throughout the world Messages are inappropriate when their content: is deemed libelous in nature or is based on rumor, fails to meet basic standards of decorum, contains blatant advertising or inappropriate emphasis on self promotion (return to top). ... (return to form) WOODWEB reserves the right to delete any messages with links or images it deems inappropriate. (return to form) Not thorough enough mixing of the powder apparently. Subject lines may be edited for length and clarity. Bob type, but we are having to mix and roll out almost 3 times as much glue as they suggest. ... Considering I used a 55 lb scale and relatively small test pieces (~.3 sq meters), the 4 and 5.6 mil results are surprisingly close. I use a cheap plastic one from Local hardware store. 2/12       #15: I've Had It With Uni-Bond! Advertising is inappropriate. WOODWEB reserves the right to delete any messages with links, files, or images it deems inappropriate. Professional Finishing Forum Laminating and Solid Surfacing Forum The Better Bond cold press glue fits right in the middle. gtag('js', new Date()); ... Not that I'm a fan of the stuff, but the glue starting giving us problems then - with adhesion. Member This seems to hold some better. Index of industrial woodworking related digital videos on the web I consider myself very fortunate to have my opinion counted when it came to the creation of the Better Bond™ line of adhesives. A worldwide buyer and seller exchange for woodworking machinery and equipment. Issues related to laminating and solid surface materials and processes They are reaching for everything that stands behind the Titebond name – making it one of the most trusted brands in the adhesives industry. I make machined stainless steel ones ($20). I would also suggest looking at the MSDS sheet for the glue. 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Project: V4™ To keep the test equal, we heated the Titebond glue and performed the same test. A vacuum bag works good, or just a substrate with weight. Richard Oedel replies: Use a different glue, and a blocking additive. Cold press laminating is desirable when large numbers of like-sized materials need to be glued. Libel:   Posts which defame an individual or organization, or employ a tone which can be viewed as malicious in nature. Readers should undertake the use Copyright © 1996-2021 - WOODWEB ® Inc. Words, pictures, or cartoons which expose a person or organization to public hatred, shame, disgrace, or ridicule, or induce an ill opinion of a person or organization, are libelous. It has been WOODWEB's experience that substantive responses are held in higher regard by our readers (return to top). If you are looking for a urea glue, go to http://www.qualityvak.com/glue.html. To minimize settling, store the bottle on its side and rotate it one-half turn once a month. Words, pictures, or cartoons which expose a person or organization to public hatred, shame, disgrace, or ridicule, or induce an ill opinion of a person or organization, are libelous. I make machined stainless steel ones ($20). Member To a certain extent, the person posting the message is responsible for including specific questions within the message. gtag('config', 'UA-9690114-2'); David, While numbers are interesting, doing test samples is the only way to get a minimal glue line with 100% veneer coverage and no/minimal bleed. Charles Your e-mail address will not be publicly viewable. An electronic discussion group for woodworkers throughout the world 2/17       #17: I've Had It With Uni-Bond! I make machined stainless steel ones ($20). Amazon's Choice for "veneer glue" Gorilla GG5044400 Glue, Natural Wood Colour, 118ml. ... We have been selling PPR (powdered plastic resin) glue for 20+ years and sell 1 gal., 5 gal, 100lb and 300lb drums. Also has a longer shelf life. WOODWEB's forums are a highly regarded resource for professional woodworkers. Helping professional furniture makers improve quality, save time, and increase profits and at their own risk. Seemed like a lot of work to use a product when others like Pro-Glue don't require such hassles and work just as well with lower formaldehyde levels. Whatever it is, they have worked well for me (even w/ unfilled PVA and porous quarter grain veneer). Titebond Cold Press for Veneer is perfect for this job, but any PVA or water-based glue will work. Veneering Tips Second, regarding glue, I am one of those people ardently opposed to contact cement for veneer. Contact us to discuss advertising or to report problems with this site. A Thread Related File that contains inappropriate content will be removed, and uploaded files that are not directly related to the message thread will be removed. Of adhesive measuring device, this adhesive spreads perfectly with a notch 1/16 wide and 1/32 tall may difficulty. 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