Exposing The Lies of Evolution – Natural Selection vs. God’s Creation
One of the most breathtaking aspects of life on Earth is the wonderful diversity we see within the flora and fauna of our biosphere that was crafted by the hands of God in six days.
Now those who do not subscribe to Creationism scoff at the idea of a universal creator, a creator who defies the uncertainties of Heisenberg in knowing the ins, outs and wheres of everything thing that exists and does not exist.
These faithless people will try to corrupt your spirit into believing the Earth is billions of years old and that the miracles of life you see around you were not by divine design!
I’m here to tell you today that these people are so very wrong. In the minds of an evolutionist, the Earth must be billions of years old since in that time molecules could ‘magically’ arrange themselves to form humans and lesser animals. This satanically inspired deception is the reason of making the preposterous notion that Theory of Evolution insists that the Earth must be billions of years old.
Evolutionists necessarily cannot believe the Earth is what it is, and that is 6,000 – 10,000 years old!
It is at this point that those who claim to be true scientists will jump and cite carbon-dating as not only disproof of a divine creation, but of God himself!
I remind you today, good friends, that the Bible says that in the beginning, the Earth and the heavens were without form and void. This indicates the universe existed in a form of chaos. How long did it exist in such a way? Only God knows, and no scientist on Earth can say with 100% confidence the age of the universe, but they can estimate on arbitrary means. Arbitrary guessing is not exact and therefore not relevant by their own standards.
What we do know is that life on Earth has existed for only 6,000 – 10,000 years. The basic units of life were created directly by the hands of God, given impetus to progress with the breath of life.
It is through the DNA created by God, which can mix and respond to environmental pressures in both changes that can be witnessed by genotype and therefore phenotype, that we see traits mix and ‘evolve’.
Evolution does not occur in the way some secular geneticists or theorists try to make you believe. Man has always been man. Monkey has always been monkey. And although an animal’s genome can allow for plasticity, speciation is at best a rare event in which a lesser animal, fungi, bacteria, plant or clump of inorganic molecules WILL NOT magically transform into a man. Not in a billion years.
Random Mutation + Time ≠ Evolution.
Consider the claim of Evolution 101. The claim is that all life started from a *big bang, that randomly resulted in a dusty ball of inorganic molecules (Earth) and the rest of our star system falling into place.
Yes, quite naive, but bear with me as to give the Theory of Evolution a fair and accurate explanation to you. Somehow and for some reason, the molecules on one of the planets suddenly started jumping together to form a single celled organism. Life from nothing! How? Why? What’s the purpose of life?
An evolutionist will have no answer for the jump of inorganic molecule, besides claiming a ‘stew’ of molecules randomly mixing together until life came from it. As a child, you may have seen a cartoon where Mickey Mouse mixed a cauldron of random ingredients and magically brooms and books came to life, flying around. Such is this evolution. Magic.
So eventually, we have our Evolution Stew cooking and out pops a single cell organism. From this one cell all life on Earth today is supposed to have taken origin and risen to what we see around us.
How can such complex life as we see today arise from a basic cell. Are we to believe that the first cell of life on Earth, with its limited genetic information, produced DNA that can code for something as complex as the human brain?
Mutations cannot product such drastically new genetic information, so evolutionists again hide behind the ‘billions of years and stew mixing’ deception.
The truth is that things like sickle-cell anemia, bacteria developing resistance to medications and speciation are not events which can disprove the God of Creation. Creationist know and understand natural selection works within the DNA of all life created originally by God.
Since the time of the great flood, all life allowed to continue to thrive continued to pass on its genetic information. DNA that is passed on does respond to environmental pressures. It can be limited in scope by a founder event.
The one simple truth is that VARIATION drives genetic progress, not an arbitrary process that leads to every animal evolving into mystical entities as seen in sci-fi movies. We do not all derive from a one cell common ancestor, but all have our unique creative lines as dictated by God.
Scientists cannot prove otherwise and you can read the facts of creation in the Bible, of which the only proof you need is the irrefutable faith of your heart.
* Evolutionists Claim: All life’s origin is attributed to a Big Bang that resulted because…nothing existed. Realizing the preposterous concept, some evolutionists have tried to invoke a theory that says the universe has always been in a state of expanding/contracting (producing a Big Bang on each new contraction). The best evolutionists will never be able to answer the question of who created the universe until they accept The Alpha and Omega.
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Author: Pat Heinkel
Pat Heinkel is the senior church organist for Shellington Pres., where he also proudly serves as a volunteer firefighter, distinguished lecturer and has the town's (maybe region!) largest collection of Coleoptera. Email Pat
6:32 pm
keep hiding you head in the sand to the truth…of evolution. i seriously wish i could slap some sense into all u people.
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3:26 pm
you obviously have no idea what evolution is. esp since you cited the big bang theory as part. amazing. wikipedia or something, seriously.
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3:29 pm
sorry, look at this wikipedia entry. search for big bang.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution
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3:30 pm
aka, you can have one without the other. the lack of understanding does not make creationism the default winner. you can’t just discredit a theory, then claim your non-scientific, subjective non-sensical fairy-tales as the truth. sorry to put it that way, but someone needs to reach you.
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3:37 pm
intellectual design comes in more forms than one. And one of them is evolution. If you dont recognize evolution you are ignorant. We have the same enzymatic processes as anchient bacteria. you dont know the half of it you bible thumping retard
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4:16 pm
Th Devil is in your Soul,and may God have Mercy on You!!!!
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6:20 pm
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! What’s next? Do you want us to take a sip of poisoned punch?
Hasn’t religion died yet? Oh wait… that’s in a few more years.
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4:59 pm
Dude, this IS a troll, or more like irony or a very well written satire on religion and evolution
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2:43 pm
1. We don’t understand how the universe works. Not even Christians understand how the universe works. Christianity nor the bible explain the metaphysical properties of biology, physics, the laws of gravity or even the structure of the planet earth. Christians are as unknowing as non-Christians.
2. Even though god works in mysterious ways, that is true only in the eye of the human without understanding. God`s works are perfect, it is the basis of science. Our study of science is imperfect, therefore our understandings of god`s work is imperfect.
3. God is omnipresent. If god is everything and everywhere, there’s no reason to focus on one puny book (when compared against the vast universe) to find god. One might say that god is more present in the reality around us than the pages of inanimate text which was recited and printed by a small collection of men.
4. The universe is actually increasing in it’s state of organization. If you take into account known human history, you’ll notice this is true.
5. There’s an estimated 70 sextillion stars in the universe. Sorry, that’s 7 with 22 zeros, or 70 000 000 000 000 000 000 000, or 70 000 000 000 trillion stars. I think that makes it slightly plausible that life could exist on a planet circling one of those stars.
Now, taking these points into account, we that believe in evolution needn’t look further than the world which surrounds us. As stated earlier, things are constantly moving into a higher and higher state of organization, socially and physically.
You can’t tell me that life took 7 days, 49,000 years (or whatever silly number) etc to create. If science is perfect (Science is the observable world around god’s universe), as god is, then so would be the beginnings of the universe. I’ve never seen any animals magically appear out of thin air, and neither have you. You can accept at least that the bible is written in parables and you can’t take it’s word at face value.
Have you heard of Sumerians? Abraham was born in the Sumerian city of Ur. As founder of the Canaanites, he provided much of the doctrine which the bible sits on. One of those things he perpetuated was the “7 days of creation.” Did you know that the Sumerians had 7 tablets of creation? I won’t get into it, but if you would like to argue about it please read more here:
http://www.occultech.com/Library/stoc/
Keep in mind that Sumerians are the first civilization known to man. If you can refute this claim that Abraham borrowed the idea of creation from the Sumerians, please let me know. My email is maplejib[at]hotmail[dot]com, feel free to contact me for debate or add me to your messenger.
Ok. Now that we`ve established that the Christian people cannot understand creation solely by biblical account, I would like to say again, neither Christian nor non-Christian can explain the origin of life. Only that it was here before we were.
If you cannot explain how life came to be (besides sand = man, man`s rib = woman), then why do you expect us to? We don’t presume to know where life came from. The idea is that we are evolving.. right now. Your understanding has evolved throughout your life. Computers have evolved through the ingenuity of humans. Humanity has evolved socially through trial and error of various social and structural systems. Life evolves, it’s a property of life.
I think rather than focusing on that which we don’t know, focus on that which we do. Your understanding of my opinion has evolved since before you read this blurb.
If you have any questions or would like to debate this, feel free to reply or message me directly.
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2:58 pm
“Are we to believe that the first cell of life on Earth, with its limited genetic information, produced DNA that can code for something as complex as the human brain?”
Are we to believe that some imaginary being floating in space, who no one will ever prove exists, with his imaginary magical powers, produced DNA that can code for something as complex as the human brain?
Hmmm which one sounds more realistic…. a series of genetic mutations over BILLIONS of years, or your pal god, an imaginary dude, who used his voodoo to make earth in 6 days cuz he was bored.
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3:59 pm
Evolution on all levels (cosmological, spontaneous generation, biological, etc) is statistically impossible and has zero historical evidence. Just search for and read the weighty “Evolution Handbook” and you will clearly see Evolution is an atheistic fantasy.
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4:17 pm
Who are YOU to trample on my will? Quit takin the piss out of my dolphin tatoo! Go will yourself some brain matter and import some logical thought processing and you might climb yourself out of the retard primordial pool.
Honestly though i can’t figure out if this is a joke website or not.. im looking for any signs of consistant sarcasm or something but uhhh.. for the most part this all looks serious.. Christwire?? really? and godtube… /facepalm
if you really do convince anyone that earth is 10,000 years old (ugghhhh) then they should take their WWJD braclet and snap themselves in the eye with it.. and maybe that will wake them up.
As for you.. wow.. just…wow.. beyond the realm of sanity, hope and what not.. /facepalm again
CHRIST HATH SPOKEN
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4:25 pm
wow. mister heinkel. I salute your epic troll.
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5:02 pm
It baffles me how well educated people such as yourself (im giving you the benefit of the doubt on this one) can cling to a fairy tale while the rest of us have already accepted the truth. So far, the theory of evolution has come the closest to explaining why we are here and why things in this world are the way they are than any other theory without citing some magical source. You say that creatures being created from a primordial ooze (which isn’t true- there was never any primordial ooze, the theory of evolution states that the molecules necessary for life were the result of an electrochemical reaction) is “magic”, yet you are completely willing to accept that all the creatures on the planet completely non-magically came into existence over a period of six days! The hypocrisy makes my head spin.
Your argument of the Big Bang theory relating to evolution also has no relevance, as they are completely unrelated. True, they were conceived by scientists, but not the same scientists and not in the same period of time. Your tendency to group scientists together as one is just as wrong as grouping all Christians as wrong. Some are normal people who don’t take the bible literally and end up leading moral lives as beneficial contributors to society, and some are nuts who believe in fairy tales.
You also cannot say that carbon dating is wrong, unless you also want to argue that the ex-city of Hiroshima will be habitable anytime within the next 1000 years (i dare you to try to live there). There is absolutely no way that the data provided by carbon dating is wrong.
If you are willing to admit that evolution works for small single cell creatures, but not massive multicellular ones then you need to take a step back here. What is the fundamental difference between the two classes of organisms? That’s right, one of them is made out of many cells. So if evolution works on a single-celled organism, then the only logical conclusion would be that it would have a greater effect on a multicellular organism. There is nothing more special about a bigger organism except the fact that it has more cells in it. Humans included.
I think you need to do a little more research on evolution before you decide to refute it.
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5:06 pm
Um, a little change to what i posted above. I said “the theory of evolution states that the molecules necessary for life were the result of an electrochemical reaction”. This is wrong- the theory of evolution does not state this; this discovery was the result of a separate experiment as to what could have caused the first molecules necessary for life to come into existence.
The only thing evolution focuses on is the _process_ of speciation and natural selection. Boy do i feel silly.
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5:07 pm
How do you know that what’s written in the bible is true, it was written by man? and since they used to be the scientists of then they could have lied you dont know anything about evolution and just blindly quoting the bible. and we are able to clone man, its just morrally wrong so they dont do it, they cloned dogs and sheep and cats, a man would be able to be cloned too but they dont do it for ethic reasons not for your bible reasons,
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5:36 pm
Nice, Pat! I’m looking forward to seeing your broadcast later on this month
Bill, just fyi speciation is a rare event and not the crux of evolution. From many people uneducated in sciences, they seem to follow a ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny point of view which is downright horrible and silly.
Also, jarek. Like Pat alluded to up above we cannot clone humans or several primates. It’s been attempted many times and the only groups who’ve claimed to do so, such as a disgraced SK scientist and the kooky Raelians, most assuredly have not.
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5:46 pm
I’ve been a Christian all my life, but reading this article has made me realize how much biased nonsense I’ve been fed my whole life. I still do believe in a divine creator (which cannot be disproved scientifically, since science deals in the realm of nature, and God is, by definition, supernatural; it is therefore a question of logic… who created nature? something NOT found in nature, therefore something supernatural… God).
However, is it really such a stretch of imagination to imagine that a series of small genetic mutations (such as humans recently growing taller in stature) could lead to ultimate evolution from an ape (forget single-celled organisms for now)? The only reason why it’s difficult (impossible) to believe this is true is because humans have NOT been on the planet long enough to document it. A couple thousand years won’t change much evolutionary code, especially on a macroscopic (ie. visual, noticeable) level, but large amounts of time, “survival of the fittest” will take its course. The weaker “random mutations” will die out because they cannot reproduce or survive, and the stronger ones will survive.
Consider early tribes of “monkeys”. Wouldn’t the largest monkey become the alpha male, and therefore get the chance to reproduce with whoever he wants, however many times he wants? You eventually get larger and larger monkeys. If this tribe were to go to war with another, shorter, weaker, or less upright tribe, unable to handle weapons as efficiently, or use as much brute strength as the other tribe, the stronger tribe would win for sure. “Survival of the fittest” literally.
Now just extend that story over thousands of years. The tribes with the biggest brains and braun would be able to take over, through trickery or strength, other weaker tribes, and would ultimately only die to stronger or smarter tribes. In the end, you end up with strong, smart, upright monkeys: humans. Of course, we are not the strongest of the apes (consider gorillas), but we could’ve fashioned weapons to take them over.
So sure, the concept of evolution may sound ridiculous at first glance. Humans and monkeys are completely different nowadays. But before you start claiming it to be “satanic”, please take a moment to ACTUALLY think about evolution. We cannot comprehend the amount of time necessary for even the most minute changes in our bodies to take place, so don’t generalize by saying “I am not a monkey”.
Remember, scientists dedicate their lives to studying and understanding natural phenomena. Perhaps they MIGHT have something worthwhile to say about the most fundamental process of nature? They go and do their own research, building on the research of the past, whereas religion remains firmly rooted in the beliefs of the past with little room for leniency. When looking for the FACTS about something natural, perhaps you should consider FACTUAL RESEARCH instead of faith. Faith CAN be misplaced, remember.
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6:26 pm
There are several things I love about this article.
“the Earth must be billions of years old since in that time molecules could ‘magically’ arrange themselves to form humans and lesser animals.”
Yes, it does take billions of years for evolution to occur. Since our species has only considered it the last hundred and fifty or so, it kinda makes sense that we haven’t directly seen any speciation. Also, why is your God allowed to use magic (are you suggesting something else) and we can’t? Seems a little hypocritical to me. Not that there’s anything “magical” about it; it seems pretty simple to me. For example: A species is only able to eat a certain type of plant. After a few hundred years, a genetic mutation occurs which allows it to eat other types of plants, enabling it to grow larger and faster, and therefore reproduce more. After thousands, millions, and billions of years, all these changes coupled with enormous numbers result in billions of different animals. Changes in diet, in propulsion, in defense mechanisms, in attack mechanisms, in size, in color, and in basic biology can all occur (and do. There are people all over the world with physical deformities and other genetic mutations; these are simply mutations that do not assist the survival of that particular creature, and therefore they are usually not passed on to the next generation).
“It is at this point that those who claim to be true scientists will jump and cite carbon-dating as not only disproof of a divine creation, but of God himself!”
No one is using carbon dating to disprove the existence of God. In fact, nowhere in here does the existence of God come into question. Evolution and natural selection are completely feasible with the existence of an omnipotent being, they just require nonintervention. Also, we don’t use carbon to date the globe, we use potassium and argon. Stick that in your “100% factual” and dance.
“no scientist on Earth can say with 100% confidence the age of the universe, but they can estimate on arbitrary means.”
Another simple process. Take two stars in the sky, and over the course of a hundred years or so, record the changes in their distance from us and from each other. This gives an accurate rate at which the universe is expanding. Now, estimate the radius of the universe, which can be done by similar processes (near the center of the universe unique astronomical phenomenon begin to occur). So, you have the size of the universe, and how fast it is expanding. Simple math will allow you to determine how long it would take to go from having a radius of 0 to its current radius, and there’s the age of the universe. It’s not arbitrary, it’s astronomy and mathematics.
“What we do know is that life on Earth has existed for only 6,000 – 10,000 years”
Here’s where carbon dating comes in. Fossils excavated can be carbon-dated to determine their age; it’s the same thing as with potassium and argon, just with carbon. It’s a simple process. Carbon-14 has a half-life of a few thousand years (5700 to be exact), which means that every 5700 years it half of it decays. If you had 100 g of carbon-14, in 5700 years you would have 50 g, then in another 5700 years you would have 25 g. The ratio of carbon-12 to carbon-14 in any living organism is constant, and carbon-12 does not decay. So by measuring the amount of carbon-12 in a fossil, and comparing to the amount of carbon-14, you can determine the age of the fossil. This only works with things up to 60,000 years old; after that you have to use other isotopes (potassium-40 has a half-life of 1.3 billion years). So yes, we actually can know that some things are over 10,000 years old. We can know things are actually much older than that.
“Evolution does not occur in the way some secular geneticists or theorists try to make you believe”
“Mutations cannot product such drastically new genetic information”
“The one simple truth is that VARIATION drives genetic progress”
“Scientists cannot prove otherwise”
I’m confused as to how you can say these things with such absolute certainty. How do you KNOW that evolution does not occur in the way most (nearly all, in fact) scientists say? How do you KNOW that mutations can’t produce new information? How do you KNOW that variation drives genetic progress? How do you KNOW scientists cannot disprove the “facts” of the Bible? Where is your information coming from? Or are you operating on the cycle of: “What the Bible says is true because it says so in the Bible”? Do you not see why that’s a logical fallacy? Have you done the necessary experimentation to prove that this is all false, and if so, why are you posting on a Christian website instead of a scientific journal? The scientific community is clearly open to change (hell, our views as to what’s right and what’s wrong are changing every day) while yours seem to be rather close-minded (“God is the ONLY POSSIBLE explanation”), and I’m sure they would welcome any contributions you could make that are backed up by observable evidence. “Shut your eyes,” however, doesn’t really work with them.
I would also like to point out your selective acceptance of science. You have all faith in DNA and genetics, while you can’t possibly bring yourself to consider evolution. Five hundred years ago, when the Bible was the same as it is now, if you proclaimed that we were actually made of tiny little bits all strung together that each contained the information for all of us you would probably be stoned. Or burned. If you’re going to convince yourself so passionately that evolution is a crock, why have anything to do with science at all? Why not give up your computer and your Internet connection (after all, silicon chips are EVIL AND MADE BY SATANISTS, or as some like to call them, scientists and engineers)? Why not give up your electricity (more science)? How about your car (science and engineering)? Running water (science and engineering)? Cooked food (your oven and burners all operate on the designs of scientists and engineers)? Even rubbing two sticks together or fashioning a spear is more science and engineering. If your God is so powerful, and scientists the world over so much stupider than you about everything, then do away with their satanist creations and live naked in the forest with a copy of the Bible (oh wait, printing and writing both count as science) on the assumption that your God will provide everything you need.
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7:07 pm
don’t feed the fucking troll…..
fuck sake….
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8:42 pm
This is a difference in ideology, regardless of how I feel (evolution ftw)
Some people use logic and science to explore and explain. Some people use faith and books.
In the end, it simply doesn’t matter.
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11:15 pm
I could argue with you… but you’re not it.
So I’ll just call you a fucking jesus-loving (and that’s not a good thing coming from me) retard.
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12:45 am
Bible huggers were wrong about the sun going around the Earth and killed men for the blasphemy. Why should we believe you now?
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4:23 pm
Either live by the Sword,or Die by it!!!God will not Destroy Evil next time,so be Ready!!!Evolution is for Atheist,which all of them will be Burning in Hell,for Eternity!
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7:19 am
Regardless of whether you are right or wrong (you are wrong, by the way. You’ve glossed over everything like a 5 year old trying to understand the ingredients to a complicated recipe)
Aside from all of that.. you are such an patronising and arrogant personality! Just reading all your ‘fellow’ and ‘young man’ bullshit makes me want to slap you!
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8:10 am
Why can’t relegion and science just co-exist? Why does it have to be one way or the other? And why does this venomous argument only seem to exist in America? Here in the UK people don’t care what other people believe in, it is no one else business but your own. If God is so great, could he not have just “invented” evolution? Seriously, we were even taught at our catholic school that the old testament was supposed to be metaphorical, e.g. people don’t live to 643, the world is not created in 7 days etc.
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2:19 pm
Science and Christianity can co-exist, but evolution and Christianity can not. Evolution and science are antonyms to each other. Genesis 1 and evolution are completely contrary to each other. The Bible makes it clear, that the chicken came before the egg, the bird came before the reptile, the whale came before the land creatures, Adam and Eve were created… not evolved, Adam named the animals- making him not an animal and he was higher than an animal, and God created everything in just 6 literal days.
People who think the Bible and evolution can co-exist don’t know the Bible… in the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth… not Dumb Luck.
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10:44 am
epic lulz tl;dr you sir are just plain batshit nuts. 6-10K years old… haha ever heard of carbon dating?
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2:38 pm
Have you ever heard of Carbon-14? It’s not the evolutionists’ best friend. Everything ever tested on earth has C-14 in it… fossils, oil, coal, diamonds, etc. Because of the half-life of Carbon-14 (5700 yrs.) there shouldn’t be any Carbon-14 in anything that is said to be a million yrs. old… it would be completely depleted hundreds of thousands of years before that. BUT, Carbon-14 DOES EXIST… in every rock, every fossil, every bone, every ounce of oil, every lump of coal, and every diamond that is said to be millions of years old. Evolution is lie, and only the God-haters and Bible bashers will stick with that lie because sin in pleasurable and God cramps their lifestyle. Every liar will have their place in the Lake of Fire (Rev.21:8).
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12:17 pm
It probably does no good to argue the point here, but if anyone really wants to see the science and evidence of evolution, go to talkorigins.org. To all you creationists, I challenge you to pull your head out of the apologetics and read the facts for yourselves.
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2:57 pm
LOL! TalkOrigins is a joke. There’s nothing on that site that gives proof for evolution. Just a bunch of empty words… no series of photos showing the transformation of one creature into another kind of creature… one fossil isn’t proof for evolution. The problem is, that those photos will never exist because those intermediate fossils are absent, just as evolutionist Stephen J. Gould and Niles Eldredge has admitted. The absence of transitional fossils is exactly why they came up with the idea of Punctuated Equilibrium (or Equilibria)… it’s a nice excuse for why evolution is a failure.
As a side note, one of the guys (Dave Thomas) at TalkOrigins wouldn’t debate Kent Hovind unless he debated via e-mails. Hovind wanted to debate in person because e-mailing would make too long of a debate and he wasn’t a very fast typer. My guess is, that Dave Thomas needed time to think or look for answers for his responses so he would so wouldn’t appear to be an idiot. Hovind would’ve cleaned the floor with Thomas, and he knew it. The cowardly Dave Thomas used the following months to whine about Kent Hovind not willing to debate him via e-mail. I know this, because Thomas whined to me about it, trying to make me think that Kent Hovind was the coward. Thomas is the one who is intellectually bankrupted and an arrogant coward. TalkOrigins is full of mythical spewage.
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3:05 pm
Not quite as stupid and facepalm worthy as Stevie, but it’s definitely up there.
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5:02 pm
lol, pat must have a degree in molecular biology. i’ve spent 7 years in school studying biomedical engineering and biology. several hundred scientific texts have convinced me that evolution is real, one fairytale book has convinced pat that evolution is contrived. hhmmm…
also, i’m pretty sure science has documented speciation in several isolated moth and bird populations. it only took a hundred years or so for us to observe that.
so where did you graduate from pat? i know you wouldn’t be naive enough to argue evolution with just a theology degree…
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3:10 pm
It’s a complete lie for someone to say that evolution has anything to do with biology. If you go to my site, there are 2 links that have a recording each, one from Dr. David Menton (biologist w/ over 35 yrs. experience) and one recording from Dr. Philip S. Skell (biologist w/ over 50 yrs. of experience). Both scientists claim that evolution did nothing for them in being successful biologists.
Since you want to use your knowledge as a weapon over Pat’s head, try using your knowledge as a weapon over the heads of these two biologists who know a lot more than you probably will every know. Dr. Skell was a biologist in WWII, and he made the comment in the recordings that most every successful medical development and discovery was made before evolution was even pushed by evolutionists.
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3:14 pm
Again, you’re pretty damn stupid, but not as bad as Stevie. Just go away now troll, this place is filled with enough of them as it is. There’s enough trolls trollin trolls trollin trolls here.
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5:54 pm
The bible is based entirely on the oldest story known to mankind (that means older than the bible) – GILGAMESH.
If you read that story and follow it up with the bible, you’ll laugh about how god damn stupid religion is – and that’s coming from someone who was raised a catholic, whose mother is a devout catholic.
You can try that, or common sense. Either works.
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5:22 pm
oh, btw, how does the bible explain the lack of fossil evidence for many species in older strata of rock? carbon dating is a proven scientific process (radioactive halflife), that we all agree on, so we know at least that some layers of the earth are older than others (whether it be thousands or billions of years). so why don’t paleontologists find fossil evidence for whales, rhinos, bears, horses, ANY large mammals in the same strata as the dinosaurs? if all of these species existed together in time, not a single large mammal ever got fossilized during the cretaceous? the fanatical christian explanation for these things is ignorant, naive, and dangerous for the progression of humanity.
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We have fossils.
We win.
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JESUS CAN SUCK ME AND YOU CAL ALL GET FUCKED AND DIE DUMB FUCKING CUNT MORONIC STUPID TOOLS
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How anyone can believe in the religion of evolution, when evolution contradicts not one but both of the Genesis creation accounts, can be explained only through demonic activity.
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seriously? i do not know why everyone is so judgmental. every single person has his/her own interpretation of everything, and we are all allowed to have our own opinion. why criticize someone’s beliefs? you do not have to believe it. you should appreciate others for being different rather than put them down for it. is that not what we all strive to be? is that not why we live in America? for freedom? including freedom of speech. i know this has nothing to do with the article [which i loved by the way], but i just do not understand why people are like cussing and freaking out on here. why are you wasting your time criticizing something that shouldn’t matter to you? pat is much more kind than all of you; while you all are cussing him out, he does not say anything hurtful back in his responses. if i were you, i would want to be a christian because they are caring, helpful, and loving people; and i know that there are non-christians out there who are the same. but if you do not believe in God, then what do you have to live for? i feel that if i did not have God in my heart, i would not be as good of a person as i am. the world getting worse every single day and because of God, i am not influenced by the awfulness. God created me, and i live for Him. i believe in glorifying Him in all that i do. so, go ahead, criticize me all you want. it will not change my mind, but if it makes you feel better about yourself then shoot…
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Hollar at ur boi on this one….
A science professor begins his school year with a lecture to the students,
‘Let me explain the problem science has with religion.’ The atheist
professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks one of his new
students to stand.
‘You’re a Christian, aren’t you, son?”Yes sir,’ the student says.
‘So you believe in God?’
‘Absolutely.”
Is God good?’
‘Sure! God’s good.’
‘Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?’
‘Yes.’
‘Are you good or evil?’
‘The Bible says I’m evil.’
The professor grins knowingly. ‘Aha! The Bible!’ He considers for a moment.
‘Here’s one for you. Let’s say there’s a sick person over here and you can
cure him. You can do it. Would you help him? Would you try?’
‘Yes sir, I would.’
‘So you’re good…!’
‘I wouldn’t say that.’
‘But why not say that? You’d help a sick and maimed person if you could.
Most of us would if we could. But God doesn’t.’
The student does not answer, so the professor continues.
‘He doesn’t, does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even
though he prayed to Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good? Hmmm? Can you
answer that one?’
The student remains silent.
‘No, you can’t, can you?’ the professor says. He takes a sip of water from a
glass on his desk to give the student time to relax.’Let’s start again,
young fella. Is God good?’
‘Er…yes,’ the student says.
‘Is Satan good?’
The student doesn’t hesitate on this one. ‘No.’
‘Then where does Satan come from?’
The student falters. ‘From God’
‘That’s right. God made Satan, didn’t he? Tell me, son. Is there evil in
this world?’
‘Yes, sir.’
‘Evil’s everywhere, isn’t it? And God did make everything, correct?’
‘Yes.’
‘So who created evil?’ The professor continued, ‘If God created everything,
then God created evil, since evil exists, and according to the principle
that our works define who we are, then God is evil.’
Again, the student has no answer.
‘Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things,
do they exist in this world?’
The student squirms on his feet. ‘Yes.’
‘So who created them?’
The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his question.
‘Who created them?’
There is still no answer. Suddenly the lecturer breaks away to pace in front
of the classroom. The class is mesmerized. ‘Tell me,’ he continues onto
another student. ‘Do you believe in Jesus Christ, son?’
The student’s voice betrays him and cracks. ‘Yes, professor, I do.
‘The old man stops pacing. ‘Science says you have five senses you use to
identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen Jesus?’
‘No sir. I’ve never seen Him.’
‘Then tell us if you’ve ever heard your Jesus?’
‘No, sir, I have not.’
‘Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelt your Jesus? Have
you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus Christ, or God for that
matter?’
‘No, sir, I’m afraid I haven’t.
‘Yet you still believe in him?’
‘Yes.’
‘According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol,
science says your God doesn’t exist. What do you say to that, son?’
‘Nothing,’ the student replies. ‘I only have my faith.’
‘Yes, faith,’ the professor repeats. ‘And that is the problem science has
with God. There is no evidence, only faith.’
The student stands quietly for a moment, before asking a question of His
own. ‘Professor, is there such thing as heat?’
‘Yes,’ the professor replies. ‘There’s heat.’
‘And is there such a thing as cold?’
‘Yes, son, there’s cold too.’
‘No sir, there isn’t.’
The professor turns to face the student, obviously interested. The room
suddenly becomes very quiet. The student begins to explain.
‘You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat, unlimited
heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat, but we don’t have anything
called ‘cold’. We can hit up to 458 degrees below zero, which is no heat,
but we can’t go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold;
otherwise we would be able to go colder than the lowest -458 degrees.’
‘Every body or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits
energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy.
Absolute zero (-458 F) is the total absence of heat. You see, sir, cold is
only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold.
Heat we can measure in thermal units because heat is energy. Cold is not the
opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.’
Silence across the room. A pen drops somewhere in the classroom, sounding
like a hammer.
‘What about darkness, professor. Is there such a thing as darkness?’
‘Yes,’ the professor replies without hesitation. ‘What is night if it isn’t
darkness?’
‘You’re wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something; it is the absence of
something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing
light, but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and it’s called
darkness, isn’t it? That’s the meaning we use to define the word.’
‘In reality, darkness isn’t. If it were, you would be able to make darkness
darker, wouldn’t you?’
The professor begins to smile at the student in front of him. This will be a
good semester. ‘So what point are you making, young man?’
‘Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to start
with, and so your conclusion must also be flawed.’
The professor’s face cannot hide his surprise this time.
‘Flawed? Can you explain how?’
‘You are working on the premise of duality,’ the student explains. ‘You
argue that there is life and then there’s death; a good God and a bad God.
You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can
measure. Sir, science can’t even explain a thought.’
‘It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully
understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be
ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death
is not the opposite of life, just the absence of it.’
‘Now tell me, professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a
monkey?’
‘If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man, yes,
of course I do.’
‘Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?’
The professor begins to shake his head, still smiling, as he realizes where
the argument is going. A very good semester, indeed.
‘Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot
even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching
your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a preacher?’
The class is in uproar. The student remains silent until the commotion has
subsided.
‘To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student, let me
give you an example of what I mean.’The student looks around the room. ‘Is
there anyone in the class who has ever seen the professor’s brain?’
The class breaks out into laughter.
‘Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor’s brain, felt the
professor’s brain, touched or smelt the professor’s brain? No one appears to
have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable,
demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, with all due
respect, sir.’
‘So if science says you have no brain, how can we trust your lectures, sir?’
Now the room is silent. The professor just stares at the student, his face
unreadable.Finally, after what seems an eternity, the old man answers. ‘I
guess you’ll have to take them on faith.’
‘Now, you accept that there is faith, and, in fact, faith exists with life,’
the student continues. ‘Now, sir, is there such a thing as evil?’
Now uncertain, the professor responds, ‘Of course, there is. We see it
everyday. It is in the daily example of man’s inhumanity to man. It is in
the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. These
manifestations are nothing else but evil.’
To this the student replied, ‘Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does
not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like
darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of
God. God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man
does not have God’s love present in his heart. It’s like the cold that comes
when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light.’
The professor sat down.This students statements are true, can you or can you
not make night darker?Is it possible for it to get colder after absolute
zero -458 degree’s F.Can you feel,taste,see,hear,or smell your brain?
So What you think?
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1:16 am
What’s wrong with this story? How about the fact that this student says that evil happens when people do not have God in their heart, but how about the deeply religious people who do evil things? Did anyone forget about the raping/ sodomizing of young boys and girls by priests!!?
And also, if you want to feel or see the teacher’s brain all you would have to do is a scan. So, if anyone doubts that he has a brain, you can do a scientific test and figure it out. This argument does not apply.
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10:40 am
LOL, man I havent laughed so good for so long for quite sometime. Very entertaining and about as true as the Easter Bunny, Santa or the Tooth Fairy. Ok sheep, sorry to do it to you like this but, WAKE UP, stop believing the dogma and think for yourselves! It’s simple and concise, no money needed, no real effort, just read a book or 10 and form your own opinion. The guise of religion has long ago fallen apart to expose it for what it is, a scam, I know, I know your upset, that’s the first step, now continue on with reversing the brainwashing you’ve undergone since your where first able to form concepts in your head. Reality is often disturbing and sometimes the truth can be so upsetting to someone facing it for the first time. Good luck and dont let ignorance keep you from seeing what life is really all about. . .
Rubric, dissing believers, one fact at a time . . .
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10:46 am
Why do you assume that Christians have not thought out their position for themselves and just believe anything they are told?
I could say the same to you. Open your eyes, be open to the truth of the gospel. Do not just believe what you read and what you think makes sense but investigate the claims of the Bible for yourself.
You may find the Bible disturbing, and you may have been brainwashed with evolution or atheism but you too can take the first step by opening up a Bible and reading it with an open mind, open to the truth.
Don’t be ignorant, find what life is really all about, find out who created life and find out who will be your saviour.
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11:10 am
Where were the dinosaurs Pat?
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3:59 pm
Dinosaurs were created on Days 5 and 6 of the Creation Week. God mentions in the Book of Job, that the Leviathan and the Behemoth were created with man… which were two creatures with dinosaur features.
In 2005, a T-Rex skeleton was found and the femur had to be broken just to get the bone into the helicopter. They found soft tissue in the bone, that shouldn’t have been there. Dr. Schweitzer said of the soft tissue,”It’s utterly shocking!” The video can be found on YouTube. It’s utterly shocking because the T-Rex was supposed to be 70 million years old, but the soft tissue proves otherwise. Also, the odor at the T-Rex dig was given the description of recent death.
In a related story, Bob Enyart (pastor and radio talk-show host) offered paleontologist Jack Horner (the possessor of the T-Rex bones and soft tissue) thousands of dollars to have the soft tissue Cardon-14 dated. Of course, if there was any presence of C-14 that would completely debunk evolution and prove that something isn’t really millions of years old, and Jack Horner knew it… so, he refused the testing, not for any amount of money! An audio recording is in my video section at my MySpace site, of the conversation between Bob Enyart and Jack Horner. The conversation was fascinating and very telling about the lengths that evolutionists will go to, to hide the truth.
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11:20 am
There are several aspects of this article with I must address. First and most importantly, the theory of evolution does not, and I will repeat, does not explain the origins of life. This must be understood. Evolution attempts to explain the diversity of life. That is all. In Darwin’s excerpts he never attempts to explain where life comes from. Where life comes from is a separate theory all together. So please do not tie the two together, it is wrong and irresponsible.
Number two, you say no one has ever seen evolution. That too is false. You see we have observed it through the alteration of species. Bacteria become resistant to drugs, moths changed colours and so on. You may think this is not a big deal, but this is evolution. Evolution is the change of a population over time due to selected pressure. Given enough time and pressure the specie will change into something that no longer resembles what it originally was. And here is one example that everyone sees every day, dogs. We have developed these dogs through selective breeding to create a breed that fits our desire. And looking at a chihuahua it is hard to see that they came from the same origin as a mastiff. But they did, we have historical records that show this.
Finally how do you know the earth is only 6000 years old? Does the bible say this. Does it give you the data or time? No it does not. Read through it. I have, there is no real time. You estimate believing certain passages to mean certain things. How long is one day to God? Before the earth was made there was no such thing as a day. A day to God could be a billion years. Time to God might not feel the same as time to us. Unfortunately you use a single source for all of you information which can be interpreted in many different ways.
I just want to end with God is truth. Science is the pursuit of truth. To dismiss science is to dismiss God. I am a Christian, and I agree with evolution.
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4:21 pm
How can you be a Christian and believe in evolution?!!? Genesis 1 contradicts evolution in every way. Examples… evolution says, that reptiles evolved into birds, BUT, the Bible says, birds were created before reptiles… evolution says, a land creature evolved into a whale, BUT, the Bible says, whales were created before land creatures… evolution says, that the Sun was created before the Earth, BUT, the Bible says, Earth was created before the Sun… evolution says, man evolved over millions of years and has a common ancestor with the chimp and that he is an animal, BUT, the Bible says, man was created on Day 6 and he named the animals and was created in God’s image, therefore, he wasn’t an animal… the Bible also says, that everything was CREATED in 6 literal days (Hebrew:yom = literal day), not EVOLVED over billions of years. God could have created everything in seconds, or in millions of years through evolution, BUT, He didn’t. God created everything in 6 Days and “rested” from His work on the 7th Day, establishing the 7 day calender week we enjoy today. The Ten Commandments confirms the 6 literal days of creation. If the dawn of man really begin 4 million years ago with Australopithecus, the world population would be over a trillion people and not only 6.9 billion people today. You need to rethink you loyalties to God and His inspired Word… let God be true and every man a liar who rebels against it.
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4:28 pm
You said,”Evolution attempts to describe the diversity of life.”
No it doesn’t… you’re thinking of the “theory” of evolution… not “evolution”. Evolution INCLUDES Cosmic Evolution, Organic Evolution, Chemical Evolution, and Geological Evolution. Creationists seem to understand the difference between what is evolution, and what is the “theory” of evolution, better than most evolutionists do.
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4:47 pm
You said,”How do you know the earth is only 6000 yrs. old? Does the Bible say that. No it doesn’t.”
You certainly don’t know the Bible, as a Christian should. The Bible’s patriarchs and their ages (from Adam to Jesus + 2000 years from Jesus to the present) have been calculated to give the earth an age of approximately 6000 years.
No person is a Christian just because their parents are professing Christians, or because they were “baptized” as a baby, or because they sit in a church pew, or because they were born in America. To deny Biblical truth only makes a “professing” Christian a heretic, who needs to rethink whether he really has salvation. Choose this day whom you will serve… man or God.
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5:05 pm
Not to mention the 1. discovery of fire in 200 000 years BC
the first “civilization” in asia around 20 000 BC
and the actually Rodinia (one of abe article) is said its more than BILLIONS of years BC
oh and By the way evolution is not a Monkey who fuck with someone looked like Human would be kinda retarded
it’s like some sort of “mutation” in the gene actually
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Oh and by the way evoltuion didnt mention that land creature evolve into Whale its was actually the sea creature first and land creature after
as for heretic I hope you know the meaning of it ?
heresy was classifier to murderer of someone of the clergy
yet you still dney this
and Bible is not the Truth 6000 years is a real joke while the first civilization (mentioned on my post ) is around 20 000 BC and the discovery of fire was around 200 000 BC as for Rodinia ( the first super continent was 200 billions of years
those are not evolution does it ?
evolution has is fail but its fara way from the “myth” most christian are also evolutionnist because they did research of it still they continue beliving in God why because there is thing we didnt explain cleary yet
Like I said I can respect other belief but don,t come bashing on fact with your Bible Ok?
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11:32 am
How about starting with the proof that god exists and work up from there. Hmm – can’t do that now can you.
Desperately trying to refute perfectly good science whilst clinging onto the idea that a magic being created the universe is simply moronic.
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5:19 pm
So, you want proof that God exists… study Bible prophecy. It’s been 100% correct on all it’s prophecies, from the beginning to the end of the Bible, except those that are still happening for these latter years. No human has ever been close to being 100% correct on their predictions or prophecies, BUT, the Bible has been. The Dead Sea Scrolls (dated 250 b.c.) prove that every prophecy about Jesus were made before He was ever born. The Bible prophesied that Israel would be a nation again in the latter years, and that happened on May 14, 1948. The Bible prophesied that the knowledge and technology would increase in the latter years, and it has, exponentially in these latter years. The Bible prophesied that people will lose natural affection in the end times, and this can be seen as the majority of the world does nothing against the murder of 50 million pre-born babies every year, worldwide, and 17,000 deaths of starving Africans every day, while nations continue to war and prepare to do war. The 20th century saw the greatest number of deaths via racism, genocide and abortions (100s of millions) than the rest of human history combined… thanks, to abortionists and God-hating socialistic and communistic dictators… it’s the direct result of the absence of natural affection. The dishonoring of teens toward their parents is also prophesied for the end times. The hatred towards Israel is prophesied for the latter years, and Iran (Persia), Russia (prince of Rosh), Ethiopia, Libya, and others are specifically mentioned in Ezekiel 38 & 39. Iran has already to boasting about wiping Israel off the map and Russia has been furnishing Iran with modern military weapons. The exponential increase of earthquakes, false prophets and false teachers are prophesied in Matthew 24. The Bible prophesied that the Bible would be preached in every nation on Earth and then Jesus will return. The #1 sales of the Holy Bible, television, radio, the internet, and missionaries are fulfilling this prophecy nicely. IF only 1 prophecy was fulfilled out of this list, then we can question whether these are the latter years of the age, but EVERY prophecy has either been fulfilled or is in the process of being fulfilled. Today’s RFID chip will probably lead to the Mark of the Beast as mentioned in the Book of Revelation. I can go on and on, but, why should I bore you with the truth??
Let’s not forget, that the body of Jesus’ is still missing after all these years! And I almost forgot… the Shroud of Turin is nice evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus. And, before you or anyone say Carbon-14 testing proved the Shroud to be dated at 1300 a.d., the Shroud was in a fire which changed the Carbon-14 content in the Shroud, giving it an inaccurate reading of a younger age. Scientists have tried to make a copy the Shroud with modern techniques but were unable to do so. This is further evidence for the Shroud’s legitimacy.
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11:52 am
I don’t think I’ve ever read anything so ignorant in my entire life…
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11:54 am
The stupidity here…. it’s quite amazing.
You know they HAVE made many scientific discoveries since your bible was written… and conveniently they’re all in books! You should try opening one of them up.
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12:22 pm
Oh isn’t that nice on this website…”The Gay Agenda” “Heathens Against Holiness.” There is NO God, Give me a break. You people (Fundamentalist Christians) are the absolute worst, hate-mongering scum on this earth.
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12:52 pm
Instead of claiming everyone else here is misinformed, maybe you should check with the Vatican: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,424942,00.html
Even the Pope thinks Creationism is bs! Heinkel, do you really think you know more about the word of God than the Pope does?
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5:27 pm
The Pope is a heretic and even though I believe there will be many saved people from the Catholic religion, that religion is a religion of heresy. In the beginning, Pope Benedict was against evolution until people talked him out of that stance. According to the Bible, the False Prophet will come from Rome (Catholic Church) and he will team up with the Antichrist. God never chose the Pope to speak for Him… that’s what the Bible is for, because it’s God’s Word.
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1:01 pm
Christians are sub-humans…
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Wow thats some of the best points ever dude!
RT
http://www.real-privacy.us.tc
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1:21 pm
keep in mind people this man is a “church organist”.
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1:23 pm
There’s NO GOD. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life.
The world would be a better place without religion.
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Can’t wait to have time to read all the comments. Until then, I’ve tagged this as Religion,Unread,Funny.
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For your information Evolution and Inflationary Universe theories (which you mix together) are scientific facts and are totally unconcerned with the existance of some omnipotent magical sky-man called god.
One can perfectly believe in god without having to refute proven scientifical facts, just like catholics do, mantaining faith in their omnipotent skyman without embarassing themselves by refuting reason and science.
It seems however that evangelical anglosaxon fundamentalists like you are not able to do that, hence your rabid and inane rants against science.
You really give us proof of an ongoing devolution of human intelligence.
Kull.
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2:09 pm
Sorry but the Big Bang Theory has nothing to do with abiogenesis. If you’re trying to make an argument for your god or against evolution, you should probably at the least know what you’re talking about. Also, if you seriously don’t understand how or why organisms can spring from inorganic material maybe you should research the Miller-Urey experiments, or Jeffery Bada, or Joan Oro.
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2:10 pm
I like Araphat’s saying….
“You are all killing each other over who has the best imaginary friend”
Religion is the root of all evil and until humanity realize’s it we will keep reliving the dark ages via extremisn, terrorism and ignorance.
Why is it that all religions harp on how they are the only one true path when they all exist anyway proving there isnt one true path?
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2:15 pm
Pat, I’m sorry but it seems that you do not have a very good grasp on the “magical” theory of evolution. You use words such as “random” to describe evolution and that alone displays your ignorance because evolution is most certainly NOT random.
Put simply evolution follows this basic pattern: Individual is born which displays a slightly different trait than it’s parents or other members of it’s species. That trait either may enhance that individual’s capability to reproduce (e.g. slightly better hearing, eyesight, anything that would increase the chance of finding a mate).
If that does happen then the genes are passed on thus allowing THOSE “children”, if you will, to have a better chance at finding a mate and so on and so forth. It is by this process that the trait is spread throughout the species.
Over time, (a long time) that trait and others that follow the same pattern have spread so rampantly throughout the population that the majority of individuals within that population have those traits. Given enough time (and remember, this is happening with every species) the traits that have been inherited are such that the new population bears much less resemblance to the original. Often times this results in an extinction of the original population, and we have a fully formed new species.
And given even more time you have the diversity and wonder of the species of the world that we see today. If personally see the wonder of natural selection as being a million times more beautiful than the arbitrary creation of everything by “magic man”.
Now many of the misunderstandings of evolution come from this question: If humans came from apes then why are there still apes? Generically: If X came from Y, why is there still Y?
The answer is that the question is often wrong. Humans did not “come” from apes. Saying that we did is like saying that Portuguese “comes” from Italian, which is wrong. Portuguese and Italian BOTH come from the same derivative, Latin. So humans did not “come” from apes, moreover humans AND apes both share a common ancestor.
Many people with criticize you and ridicule you for believing these things, but I think that most people have the capacity for understanding but need education in order to learn and to (hopefully) correct misunderstanding, which is what most of the fuss about evolution vs. creationism is. When people reject evolution for the most part it is because they don’t fully understand the process, although there are those who willfully ignore the evidence in favor of scripture or doctrine.
Maybe with understanding you will arrive at a place where you see, as many do, the beauty and mystique of the natural world. It is this that drives biologists and indeed all scientists to discover all they can about the world and it’s mysteries. Indeed, I would say (to me personally at least) that the idea of a supernatural creator ruins the story by introducing a trump card (and one which relies on faith as opposed to the scientific method at that) to give an answer to questions that don’t even require it to answer.
Maybe eventually your mind will change, it would be nice if it did, but hopefully at least this will give you food for thought. If you have any questions feel free to reply.
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2:16 pm
I cannot understand how otherwise rational human beings can dismiss evolution as “magic” but wholeheartedly believe that other “magical” beliefs are the truth. Do you also believe in Zeus? Thor? Osirus? Vishnu? Flying Spaghetti Monstedr? All of those myths provide as much evidence for the existence of the gods as the Bible does for Jesus. Or do you simply need to have faith that Mt. Olympus really exists.
Take the Bible for what it is. Mythical stories. Some meant to teach moral lessons. Some astrological allegory. Some just entertaining nonsense. Anyone who reads more than that into it give me serious doubts about their judgement.
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2:25 pm
“cite carbon-dating”
Sorry we don’t use carbon-dating anymore its potassium argon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potassium-argon_dating
Oh wait..that’s science…*plays creepy music*
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2:27 pm
Pat, you clearly have very little actual knowledge about the principles of science and emperical enquiry. lets take evolution as an example. you creationists excell at taking science and twisting it around, leaving key elements out or just flat out lie to make discredit it. to be honest, this is your only skill, isn’t it, Pat? probably the only thing still keeping christianity alive.. but aaaanyway, about evolution: you make it sound like there is this one key element in the theory that, if discredited, would make evolution collapse like a card house. wrong! there is not a single scientific dicipline today that cannot confirm evolution. to disprove it, you would have to disprove science itself.
scince the theory of evolution was devoloped using axactly the same tools, methods and rules as ANY OTHER SCIENTIFIC THEORY, it must be the scientific approach ITSELF that you have a problem with, correct? well, then please, stop using you car, your microwave, your blood preassure medication, your computer.. it was all developed using science. either you accept the whole of it as a suitable way of describing the world around us, or you disprove ALL OF SCIENCE. its all built on the same foundations, based on what we know here and now. which is not to say, of course, that science doesn’t change. we constantly come up with new theories and proofs that change our current view of the world.
and as for the whole “no example of evolution today”-brainwashed bullshit: I SEE IT EVERYDAY! im a researcher in the field of bacteriology. here’s what you do, pat:
1) take any bacteria, e.g. E-coli, and grow it on a specimen plate in 37 degrees celcuis over night.
2)introduce antibiotics to the plate. this will kill most of the colony, but not all of it.
3) take the bacteria that survived and grow them on a new plate.
4)introduce another load of antibiotics and watch while NOTHING HAPPENS. the bacteria has evolved as only the ones resistant to the “poison” survived, the colony has adapted and evolved. standard experiment, can be done in 3 days.
luckily, the theory of evolution also applies to you fuckers. your numbers have gone down in the last hundred years. you’re screwed.
we scientists are getting our revenge for what you clowns did to most of our greatest thinkers during the middle ages. still belive the sun revolves around the earth?
and when you die, there will be no heaven (or hell) waiting for you. only nothingness.
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2:30 pm
Jehovah is 100% right, he beat me to the punch. Except I wanted to add that these myths influence people to do horrible things. When you believe God is on your side, you can do no wrong. And except there are no Gods, just people telling you what to do.
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2:33 pm
I’ll give you the same advice I give my nieces and nephews. “Never trust a grown-up with an imaginary friend.”
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2:34 pm
I’ve taken the time to study Creationism. Even “Intelligent Design.” Won’t you take the time to study and understand what evolution really is before you decide that it’s wrong? If you did, you’d realize that Creationism and Evolution are not mutually exclusive. You’d also realize why evolutionists scoff and laugh at Creationist beliefs. It’s very clear that you don’t understand more than the barest twisted notion of what evolution is claimed to be.
Also, you’d do well to understand that it’s geology that says the earth is billions of years old. Evolution doesn’t claim it as much as it agrees with it. That is a distinct difference.
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2:34 pm
Science flies us to the moon. Religion flies us into buildings.
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5:44 pm
It was science that invented the plane that flew into the twin towers, just like science invented the atom, hydrogen, and nuclear bombs, AND, science invented flouride toothpaste (bone cancer) and vaccines w/ mercury (brain damage), AND it’s science that has murdered 50 million pre-born babies in America since 1973 … AND Christianity has NEVER flown an airplane into a building! When evil men use science, it always leads to abuse.
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6:17 pm
You’re gettin’ close to Stevie’s level buddy, keep on trollin’!
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2:48 pm
Fact: You sir have not been around long enough to know how everything started, and that would be the only way to KNOW how all this started.
Fact: Unless you got the bible directly from god, then like everyone else you got it from another man that told you it was true.
Fact: You can’t prove how long the Earth has been around, all any of us have is theories and made up answers from someone else.
Fact: If God created everything then everything will point to God, if god is what created us then science is the footsteps of god.
What you are missing with this whole misguided argument is that the bible was written or given to men that had the scientific understanding of sheep herders(Literally) and they didn’t have the roman calendar or even understand that the earth rotates around the sun. Whether what is written is true or was apparently true at the time is irrelevant. The goal of science is to take out all outside influences and come to logical rational answers, answers that can be re-worked and have the same or near to same outcome or conclusion.
I know some people are out to disprove god, it’s as if they have some kind of vendetta against religion, they can’t disprove god because god is solely about faith so who cares. Just because you or the entire planet believes something that doesn’t make it true. If god is real, then all the arguments from both sides mean nothing. You are just arguing over how you see the truth, science can at least fall back on being able to recreate and show reproducible evidence… all you have is faith in a book that’s been altered more times than Joan Rivers face by men with much less noble intentions than her doc’s had…
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6:32 pm
FACT… The Bible did come directly from God through faithful men as they were moved by the Holy Spirit. The 100% success rate of Bible prophecy is proof of the Bible inspiration. The Dead Sea Scrolls (dated: 250 b.c.) prove that every prophecy was fulfilled by Jesus, and given before Jesus’ birth. End times prophecies are proving that we’re in the end times, now. For the latter years, Israel was prophesied to be a nation again, and that was fulfilled on May 14, 1948, after 2534 years of waiting.
Many scientific statements were in the Bible before science discovered them… like, the Earth is a sphere (Job 26:10; Psalm 103:12; Isaiah 40:22; Luke 17:31-36)… NOWHERE in the Bible does it say,”the earth is flat”… the life of the flesh is in the blood (Leviticus 17:11)… it’s too bad, the scientists didn’t know this when George Washington was still alive! There are underwater currents (Psalm 8:8), every star in the universe is different from each other (1 Cor.15:41), the stars are innumerable (Gen.15:5; Jeremiah 33:22; Hebrews 11:12)), the path of wind currents (Ecc.1:6), the Earth hangs on nothing (Job 26:7), the wind has weight (Job 28:25), everything is made with things not visible (atoms)(Hebrews 11:3), the Sun moves through space in an orbit (Psalm 19:4-6)… the Sun travels through space at 67,000 mph!! The Bible mentions 2 dinosaur creatures (Behemoth and Leviathan- Job 40:15-41:34) before the first dinosaur was dug up in the 19th century.
I’ll add this, that nowhere in the Bible does it say,”pi=3″!! NOWHERE! That lie is one of many atheistic lies. Atheists are like putty in Satan’s hands.
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2:56 pm
Oh my god, this is the reason the stereotype of Americans outside the US is that they are morons.
You seem to know how to write, yes you deliver a very intense speech. Sadly its plaged with nonsense and anyone with the slightest knowledge on the topic can see and laugh about your inconsistent “report”.
Im just sad as many Americans are oh so ignorant, that they may think you are sort of right, well… more sterotypical Americans for us to laugh about!.
Funny how a little science and common sense can force your all powerful and omnipresent God to the ropes (or as i call them in this context: “FAITH”).
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3:06 pm
Hahahaha, You Jesus freaks actually believe this mindless dribble?
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3:07 pm
Pat Heinkel ought to stick to playing the organ. He doesn’t understand the Theory of Evolution, and so shouldn’t comment on it. The scientific theory of evolution and the metaphysical, Creationist assumption are not necessarily mutually exclusive positions. However, any Christian who misunderstands Commoon Descent, natural selection, genetic drift and mutation, and other underpinnings of evolution is just not prepared to comment effectively on evolution.
Heinkel’s embarrassing article provides support for the assertion that science (including evolution) MUST be taught more effectively in classrooms. One cannot refute, nor even address, what one clearly doesn’t understand.
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3:09 pm
In Communist Heaven, God makes you!
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3:48 pm
not even worthy of refute, just laughable.
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3:58 pm
Pat Heinkel, I just want to say that people such as yourself, by which I mean uncompromising religious fundamentalists, are the reason i no longer consider myself a Christian (notice there’s no tm on that).
Every study done by any sort of legitimate science, here I rule out Christian science which according to Landover Baptist Church’s website (which associates with many of the posters on this site) claims aids can only be contracted through homosexual sex. Clearly this is not true, but is also an argument for another day.
The first particle in the universe was all that needed creating, assuming there is a god, why would he not leave anything alone and decide “I think I will create all these species” instead of just letting adaptation take its logical course?
In closing, the Bible is a group of stories, written by men. It was not written by god, jesus, or the flying spaghetti monster, but by men. It is designed to provide stories with morals to guide every day life, not to have its every word taken literally by a cult.
Your response would be appreciated, and please use logic, I will not accept, “it is in the bible and therefore is irrefutable”. Thank you
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4:04 pm
“Consider the claim of Evolution 101. The claim is that all life started from a *big bang, that randomly resulted in a dusty ball of inorganic molecules (Earth) and the rest of our star system falling into place.”
The Big Bang Theory and the Theory of Evolution are not the same thing. The Theory of Evolution doesn’t say one iota about the origins of the universe or even the origins of life on Earth. It simply states a repeatable, observable process by which life adapts to its current environment by genetic propagation of heritable traits.
Confusing these two distinct theories clearly shows that you haven’t even done the basic research into a topics you purport to refute. That doesn’t inspire confidence in your conclusions.
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6:39 pm
He never said,”the theory of evolution and the Big Bang were the same”. BUT, the Big Bang is apart of evolution… namely, Cosmic Evolution!! Just as abiogenesis is apart of Chemical Evolution. It’s too bad, that every story about evolution are made up of assumptions, frauds, hoaxes, or lies.
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4:11 pm
there is one key point that a lot of people miss when disbelieving evolution because they can’t understand how “randomness” explains everything. The fact is hundreds of thousands of millions of discreet mutations happen in an individual that never get passed down. Many changes occur in a species that have no advantage or disadvantage. Take the appendix. Evolution merely says that the appendix would dissapear if it had a significant effect on our ability to reproduce. It doesn’t, and so remains a mostly useless feature of human anatomy that an inspired or remotely efficient creator wouldn’t have thrown in.
In other words, evolution also says that stuff doesn’t happen. Its not so hard to see that we live in the world we live in when we consider that it is not really a unique circumstance so much as one out of many possibilities.
trying to ascribe arbitrary wonder as proof a creator is wrong.
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6:46 pm
The appendix is NOT a useless organ. It helps with our immune systems. Just because you can live without it, doesn’t make it useless. You can live without an arm, too… I guess, with your logic, your arms are vestigial… how about cutting off a few useless fingers and toes?? Atheists are so desperate, having to stick with the same old tired lies that have already been debunked years ago.
And before you say it… the coccyx isn’t vestigial either… there are muscles attached to it that help you perform certain functions while in the restroom.
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4:11 pm
Pat, you are a moron. The Theory of Evolution has nothing, I repeat, NOTHING to do with the origins of life. Take a few decades off from voicing your views publicly and get yourself educated. By about 2018 you may even be ready to read and understand Darwin’s work, which incidentally is *not* modern evolutionary theory.
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6:58 pm
While abiogenesis may not be apart of the “theory” of evolution specifically as laid out in Darwin’s book, it’s still related to his theory, and if it didn’t, they wouldn’t teach it along with his “theory” in schools, and YouTube evolutionists wouldn’t keep making videos promoting abiogenesis along with the “theory” of evolution. The National Geographic Channel would stop making videos that talk about abiogenesis and the “theory” of evolution together, if it had nothing to do with each other.
With that said, abiogenesis has everything to do with evolution, though. Abiogenesis is apart of Chemical Evolution, just as the Big Bang is apart of Cosmic Evolution.
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4:14 pm
The fact that you equate the Big Bang theory with the theory of Evolution merely demonstrates how ignorant you are and thus how unqualified you are to even attempt to educate others. Creationists like you just can’t seem to get it through your head that Evolution is not equal to Abiogenesis (yes, go and look it up…). For goodness’ sake, if you’re going to trash a theory at least pick the right one to make it appear that you know what you’re ranting about!
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7:05 pm
“Creationists like you just can’t seem to get it through your head that Evolution is not equal to Abiogenesis.”
Abiogenesis is apart of evolution… chemical evolution to be specific. Go look it up! It seems that evolutionists don’t get it… that evolution isn’t the same thing as the “theory” of evolution.
It’s like knowing that every Z-28 is a Camaro, BUT, not every Camaro is a Z-28. Equally, every evolution theory (cosmic, chemical, organic, geological, etc.) is apart of evolution, just as every Z-28 is a Camaro.
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4:27 pm
Please do not let this writer speak for all Christians. Do not let anybody who discounts evolution speak for all Christians either. More than half of scientists have theistic beliefs, many consider themselves Christians. The person who came up with the big bang theory was a christian. The last two of the Vatican’s astronomers believed in evolution. Christians need to recognize that Darwin’s Theory of Evolution is just one of the more fruitful theories has to explain how evolution works, but is a theory. Evolution, on the other hand, is a measurable thing and is a fact. Atheists need to keep in mind that not all Christians are as silly as those like this writer. And both sides need to come to terms with the fact that science and religion do not need to be mutually exclusive.
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7:15 pm
You’re the silly one. Evolution and science are antonyms, and the Bible and evolution completely contradicts each other. If you have ever read your Bible, you’d know that the differences are numerous…
Example… evolution says, reptiles evolved into birds, BUT, the Bible says, the birds were CREATED before the reptiles… evolution says, a land creature evolved into a whale, BUT, the Bible says, the whale was CREATED before all the land creatures. These are only 2 examples of the contradictions between the Bible and evolution. If you stand on the side of evolution rather than God’s Word, which was given to faithful men as they were moved by the Holy Spirit… then you’re a heretic, not a Christian. Study Genesis 1 for many more differences between evolution and the Holy Bible. Let God be true, and every man a liar.
By the way, Adam named the animals and he was CREATED in God’s image, which means he wasn’t an animal and he was created higher than the animals.
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4:49 pm
God is real. Evolution is not.
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4:54 pm
I love how Christians use what the Bible says to prove… what the Bible says. “No, it happened this way. It had to have happened this way, it’s in a book!” Show me some real proof.
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5:19 pm
Much of this article relies on putting God in the gaps of our knowledge. You see the stupidity in what you consider ‘Mickey mouse’s stew’, but you seem to have no problem accepting God. The question to ask is, who created God? How was he created?
A divine being who knows all, can see all, knows the past present and future, can create all life, etc, would be exceptionally complex. To dispute evolution and replace it with God is to take a very improbable solution and replace it with an impossibly complex solution.
To point out holes in our current understanding of evolution and attempt to insert God in there is a dead end. The nature of how the world works does not present all the answers right away. If science were to solve a great mystery, for example the Cambrian explosion, you would likely cry out for joy, for now there are two new gaps; how did the events immediately proceeding the new discovery happen, and what happened exactly after it? To paraphrase you: “Since we don’t know, it must be God!”
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5:28 pm
Reddit atheists are going to tear you a new one.
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5:38 pm
Is this site satire?
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5:54 pm
“More than half of scientists have theistic beliefs”
Wow this contradicts all recorded surveys I’ve seen. I’d really like to see the evidence for this, could you please provide a citation?
“science and religion do not need to be mutually exclusive.”
Science & Religion are two completely different things. Science is an adherence to the facts and the scientific process striving to find out what the correct answer is to a question, independent of what the scientist wants the answer to be. Religion is a belief in something and adhering to that belief regardless of the evidence.
We are at a point in Human history where these two things are really coming into contact more and more as Science comes to explain most of the topics that were a mystery at the time the bible was written.
The fact is that there is so much time between when the Bible was written and the time that Modern Science came into being that there is no way the bible can be science. It presents itself as science, but its not. If you think you can reconcile the two things you are missing an understanding of one or the other.
I really feel sorry for you. If you think god created us then you are wasting a marvelous gift he gave us.. a brain and the ability to think.
I sincerely hope you start to understand the scientific process so you know why you are wrong http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method
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5:59 pm
I have a theory about unicorns. I love unicorns. No one has ever seen one, but I have a book that says they are real: http://www.amazon.com/Unicorns-Coloring-Book-Books/dp/0486413195/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1233701868&sr=1-8
If you pay me alms I’ll tell you about unicorns and when they mean to me.
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6:48 pm
talk about the blind leading the blind…
don’t you know that adults shouldn’t have imaginary friends?
has god ever spoken to you? no? really?
wow, don’t you think you should take that as a giant hint?
stupid god freaks.
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6:58 pm
Pat Heinkel – great troll, or greatest troll?
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7:12 pm
Pat, I hope He touches you with His noodely appendage.
RAmen
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7:14 pm
RE: Godtube vid of fish, it would be the frog first, so that it could breathe.
FAIL.
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7:29 pm
You know what? I was in the middle of writing a huge reply to this, but I changed my mind because it will have no effect on people such as yourself, who’s cognitive abilities have abandoned them or have never acquired them. I am surprised you managed to master (and I use this term loosely) language itself. It is people such as yourself that hold society back both from a technological perspective and an evolutionary. But I’m sure my point eluded you completely.
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7:51 pm
God here,
Pat Heinkel I damn you to burn in Hell for all eternity for not utilizing your mind to find the truth and to live in a sea of ignorance.
btw, what the hell did all you humans do to my son? He’s never been the same since.
Love,
God
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8:21 pm
You know, son, it’s alright to admit when you cannot possibly counter The Truth. I will not judge you for your admission of being wrong or adhering to atheistic ways, all before having your mind enlightened by what the Word dictates about the nature of science.
As for Zoidberg up above, if you do not understand the concepts of environmental pressures on plasticity or random mutations, which it seems you certainly do not, you surely have much review to do before being able to engage me in conversation.
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12:15 pm
I love these arguments, and one thing springs to mind.
My picture book said unicorns and fairies are real, so they must be.
Pat, your believing a 2000 year old book, written by those who thought the Earth was flat and god lived in the clouds.
Please Pat, for your own brain, give it some nice sense sauce.
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7:35 pm
Typical atheistic lies… it says NOWHERE in the Bible, that “the earth is flat”, OR, that “God lives in the clouds”.
You should stay off the atheistic sites and videos if you really want the truth, and not deception.
I can get into a deep discussion using Job 26:10, Psalm 103:12, and Luke 17:31-36 to show you why the Bible shows the Earth is a sphere, but you would just shrug it off as illogical or my own interpretation. Also, the Bible teaches that God is omnipresent, or everywhere at the same time. That’s some God, who can watch all 6.9 billion people on earth at the same time and know their every thought, action, and sin… and He knows every person who has repented of their sins. That easily beats out the atheists’ creator/god… his name is Dumb Luck!
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9:04 pm
Rapmon says:
February 3, 2009 at 8:57 pm
Right on the money,Pat. All life on Earth is too complex to have evolved. An animal can only change a trait not turn into a different animal. Evolutionists are the ones that are close minded. They base all their beliefs on a book written by a man that visited one set of islands. I’m not religeous, but I do believe in God. What God is I don’t know. Hey, maybe he “evolved” from a rock. Maybe he “was” the big bang. What you evolutionists are trying to stuff down our throats is denial because your brains haven’t “evolved” like the rest of ours.
One more thing. Hitler was a fan of Darwin.
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9:13 pm
The whole foundation of Christianity is based on the idea that intellectualism is the work of the Devil. Remember the apple on the tree? Okay, it was the Tree of Knowledge. “You eat this apple, you’re going to be as smart as God. We can’t have that.”
– Frank Zappa
So, when Adam and Eve were in the Garden of Eden, if you go for all these fairy tales, that “evil” woman convinced the man to eat the apple, but the apple came from the Tree of Knowledge. And the punishment that was then handed down, the woman gets to bleed and the guy’s got to go to work, is the result of a man desiring, because his woman suggested that it would be a good idea, that he get all the knowledge that was supposedly the property and domain of God. So, that right away sets up Christianity as an anti-intellectual religion. You never want to be that smart. If you’re a woman, it’s going to be running down your leg, and if you’re a guy, you’re going to be in the salt mines for the rest of your life. So, just be a dumb fuck and you’ll all go to heaven. That’s the subtext of Christianity.
– Frank Zappa
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7:48 pm
The whole foundation of Christianity is based on the idea that intellectualism is the work of the Devil. Remember the apple on the tree? Okay, it was the Tree of Knowledge. “You eat this apple, you’re going to be as smart as God. We can’t have that.”
– Frank Zappa
So, when Adam and Eve were in the Garden of Eden, if you go for all these fairy tales, that “evil” woman convinced the man to eat the apple, but the apple came from the Tree of Knowledge. And the punishment that was then handed down, the woman gets to bleed and the guy’s got to go to work, is the result of a man desiring, because his woman suggested that it would be a good idea, that he get all the knowledge that was supposedly the property and domain of God. So, that right away sets up Christianity as an anti-intellectual religion. You never want to be that smart. If you’re a woman, it’s going to be running down your leg, and if you’re a guy, you’re going to be in the salt mines for the rest of your life. So, just be a dumb fuck and you’ll all go to heaven. That’s the subtext of Christianity.
– Frank Zappa
First, it’s not the Tree of Knowledge, INSTEAD, it’s called the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, AND, the Bible never said the fruit was an apple the Adam and Eve ate.
You claimed the Bible is anti-intellectual, yet, you pretended to be intellectual by making comments about the Bible that are untrue, making you a lying anti-intellectual.
Now, as for fairy tales. That is a term that is well suited for the “theory” of evolution. Why? Well, it’s very much like The Frog Prince fairy tale… where the amphibian transforms into a man with a kiss. The only difference is that the “theory” evolution uses time to change an amphibian into a man, instead of a kiss. Evolution is the biggest myth of all time!
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9:47 pm
Pat there is one way to 100% prove the existence of god as mentioned in the bible.
I wont give you the exact part as I can’t remember but obviously someone like you should know it off by heart anyway.
In a passage it says “If you truly believe in god and you ask him to throw a mountain into the sea he will do it for you.”
So I ask you Pat as a true believe can you please spread the world of the Lord as you local priests asks you to do at the end of every mass, and please ask God to throw Mt Everest into the sea.
If you haven’t done this within a day or so we will be able to conclude that either a) You are not a true believer or b) the bible is false and God does not exist in the form it describes.
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9:55 pm
there are many paths up the mountain but the only one wasting time is the one running around the base telling everyone else their path is wrong
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10:22 pm
The your religion’s “Tree of Knowledge” contains forbidden fruit, you’re bound to have ignorant followers.
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10:45 pm
Anyway, that’s all I have to say. My policy is to not argue with creationists. It’s a waste of time.
If you’re so ignorant that you think the earth is 6000 years old despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, you are not capable of being intelligently reasoned with. When you develop at least an elementary knowledge of basic science (say to that of a third grader), then we might be able to have a productive conversation, but not until then.
Creationists should be mocked, not debated with.
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10:46 pm
I’m still waiting an answer you T tots.
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11:08 pm
I hope you guys know this is a parody website.
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11:25 pm
Please explain this to me. Are we as humans the top of the evolutionary ladder? Are we as good as it gets? If we started as inorganic matter and evolved into what we are today, then why isn’t more inorganic matter evolving? You know, monkeys into humans, that argument? The missing link is a cop out. And if the Earth was created using materials that were millions of years old, that doesn’t make the Earth millions of years old. Sure animals evolve to adapt, but they don’t evolve into human beings. Part of believing in God is hope. Hope that we don’t have to suffer in this life. If your an evolutionist do you not have hope? When you die that is it? It is easier to believe in God than it is to believe we started as a puddle of matter.
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11:29 pm
Pat, You probably can’t think outside your world, but it was people like you that allowed the Dark Ages, murder of people thought to be “witches” or “heretics”. You are hurting humanity and you are so very small-minded and backwards. There are more that 3 dozen established religions today, but *yours* is the one, right?
Religion is utter nonsense and crap.
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8:05 pm
The Dark Ages was given that term not just because of witch hunts and other acts of heresy, but because the Scriptures were so rare that God’s Light didn’t reach the masses… hence, The Dark Ages. It was against the law for many years, for any average citizen to possess God’s Word. They were also very expensive, where William Tyndale decided to illegally use a printing press to start mass producing Bibles to get them into the hands of the peasants and common folk, which cost him his life. He was burned at the stake and his skin was peeled off his body… no doubt, by the same heretics who burned “witches” at the stake. Christians never burned people at the stake, nor, do they fly airplanes into buildings.
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11:51 pm
these damn fundamentalist Christians/Creationists make me sooooooooooo angry
They accept the products of their own “science” to perpetuate the fairy tales of the Bible but reject the scientific method which requires evidence, measurement, repeatability, traceability and quantised (or well defined) uncertainty.
They also are too brainwashed to have a serious debate with and lack the intelligence to consider that their beliefs are vastly flawed by common sense and logic.
They also lack the courage to accept responsibility for their own actions and the actions of men as being simply that and not the will of some imaginary “god” or “satan”
Human remains have been scientifically dated to be over 130,000 years old, but thats ok im sure u don’t believe that we have satellites in space yet you use them every day to watch tv
consider this:
what if a murderous rapist spends his entire life killing and tormenting other humans but in the latter part of his life converts to Catholicism, is baptised etc, confesses his sins, dies and goes to “heaven” whereas a kind hearted, altruistic, philanthropic, compassionate man spends his life helping the starving, sick and in need of aid but is an atheist and dies without any faith whatsoever. By warped fundamentalist Christian reasoning, the atheist would go to “hell” and the murderous, rapist Christian would go to “Heaven”
im sure your response would be that i will surely go to hell but i certainly dont want to spend eternity with a bunch of boring, hypocritical morons who are too scared to experience anything in life because it might not be congruent with a 2000yr old fairy tale.
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2:18 pm
Who wrote the book of Genesis?
It wasn’t God.
It wasn’t Jesus.
It wasn’t one of the desciples.
So, who wrote it?
Someone had to have written it.
Language wasn’t even invented for quite some time.
Figure that one out.
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8:13 pm
Moses wrote the first 5 Books of the Bible.
Also, language wasn’t invented, but was created and given by God, unless you believe in cave men and cave women… LOL!!
Adam had language and he named the first animals with that language.
Later, God created some more languages at the Tower of Babel which caused confusion among the people which caused them to migrate throughout the world, which is how we have the many different nationalities and languages today.
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12:15 pm
get over the fact that christ didn’t make the universe and is a unreal relgion
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6:24 pm
hahahah the best thing about this artical is………the AWESOME PICTURES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
love the t-rex on the ark
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12:42 am
Here’s a crazy idea certain to spark tons of debate…
What if Evolution and Christianity and dare I say it, Creationism, are NOT mutually exclusive?
What if God did create all of the universe and every living thing therein based upon his design, but he used evolution as the tool in which to enact said creation? What if we, as humans, are the end result of millions of years of precise and careful planning to bring about a species within which to endow his final plan?
As best as I can see, nothing in the Bible directly contradicts evolution and nothing about evolution directly contradicts the Bible. The fact that so many evolutionists are atheists has more to do with the fact that most scientists of any field are atheists then it has to do with biologists eliminating the deity.
Ultimately, the question of the existence of God does not rest in the pure sciences but rather in philosophy or more specifically, metaphysics. Scientists aren’t interested in proving or disproving the existence of God. Some rabidly fanatical ones are. Dawkins springs to mind. But in general, they are more interested in spreading the knowledge of their science and the results of their findings.
It’s interesting, Pat, that you take such a literal interpretation of the Creation Story. So I have a few simple questions.
1) Do you realize that the Bible was not written in English and that much of the text discussing time frames is interpretative to mean “a very short time,” much in the same way you might say it took you “weeks” to write a term paper when in reality it took hours. In other words, it’s hyperbole to express the awesome powers of a creator, and that building an entire working universe complete with living creatures debating his very existence would be a monumental task but to do so in a few million years is still a short time and is itself astonishing. So could that perhaps be a metaphor for a short time?
2) What determines a day, exactly? I’ll answer that one for you. It’s a single rotation of the earth on its axis. We distinguish night and day with the presence of a sun. Small problem, though. God didn’t create Earth until the third day. Now imagine for just a moment that you’re God. I know the very notion may seem a bit wrong to you but it’s just a hypothetical question for the sake of argument. As God, you have no beginning and no end, and since there is no Earth, how would you determine what a “day” was? Did you plan on it being 24 hours? You set upon yourself a deadline that on the first day, you’re going to create all of the Heavens and universe and whatnot. Could it be possible that there was no literal day and the word “day” in this context is poetic to represent the first phase of the creation of the universe? This does keep in line with Evolution but still shows the magnificent splendor of God’s creation and his power. So was this a literal 24 hour day since there was no Earth to rotate once on its axis to have for a frame of reference?
3) Speaking of time frames, can you clarify something for me, please? I want to understand how you can make every speck of matter in this vast universe in one day, from heavenly bodies to illuminating stars, and then on the second day you make… water. H2O has to be one of the simplest things for God to make. It contains two of our simplest known molecules. It couldn’t have been hard, but yeah… after 24 hours of cranking out everything in the known universe, it takes pretty much another 24 hours to put together the simplest of all substances (nearly) known to man? Do you really still believe we’re operating in literal 24 hours days at this point or are you starting to ponder how absurd it is to grasp onto it?
4) One of the fundamentals that many Creationists struggle with is the idea that man was made in God’s image. I’ll be honest and confess I haven’t read every single post you or anyone else made on this page. I don’t recall you bringing that up in your original post so if you did, my apologies. I just want to understand here. And pardon me if this is offensive, but I just need to clarify your position for you since you may (if you believe this to be literal) not grasp what you are saying. Do you believe that God possesses a rectum? Does he possess a penis and a pair of testicles? Or, GASP!, an ovary? Does he have to shave every day? And here’s a question that strikes me as rather offensive? Does God, you know… does he… does he go? You know… GO. Is it possible that maybe the Bible meant something a little different from the cells and bones and blood and hair and whatnot we’re made of? Maybe something like, I dunno, a soul?
5) Lastly, and I’m genuinely sincere here despite my somewhat humorous other questions… what about Evolution dilutes or removes the messages of Jesus? What part of “Humans are primates and all primates share a basic ancestor” goes against “Love thy neighbor as thyself,” or “For all have sinned from the glory of God, and whosoever believeth in him shall not perish, but have ever-lasting life?”
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6:21 am
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2:08 pm
Time to prove Creationists wrong.
Evolution and God CAN come hand-and-hand (which these “Christians” won’t admit.). God created beings and animals with the ability to evolve and adapt to their surroundings as they cross into new environments. How do you explain the diversity of animals on this planet? Noah could not have fit over 100,000 species of mammal, bug, bird, reptile, or whatever (two of each kind, of course) on his ark. When the ark reached dry land, the animals were released, bred, and made more of their own offspring, which eventually spawned new species in later generations due to genetic mutations. Which explains the numerous unique species on this earth.
If any of you can find an intelligent way of proving me wrong, I’ll eat my socks.
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8:24 pm
Start eating your socks. The Bible and evolution contradicts each other in every way…
Evolution says, reptiles evolved into birds, BUT, the Bible says, the birds were CREATED before the reptiles. Evolution says, man and chimps have a common ancestor, BUT, the Bible says, that man and all land creatures were CREATED on the same day. Evolution says, that a land creature evolved into a whale, BUT, the Bible says, the whale was created before all land animals. Evolution says, the sun came before the earth, BUT, the Bible says, the earth was created before the sun. Are you done eating your socks, yet??
The Bible says, everything was created in 6 literal, 24 hour days (Hebrew: yom = 24 hour day), not millions of years. The Bible says, plants were created on Day 3, and the Sun was created on Day 4. If evolution was used, and each day was equal to 1 million years, the plants would’ve been without the sun for 1 million years… they would’ve long died out. The Bible and evolution doesn’t mix… not even one iota.
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9:34 pm
Let’s refine his post to MOST people can take religion and evolution hand in hand. Not everyone takes the Bible completely literally. If you take every tiny little detail of the Bible as being undeniable truth, then of course you’re going to have conflicts.
The Bible was written by humans, after all, whether you believe they got the information from God or not. Do you believe everything people tell you?
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10:21 am
Coronary artery disease and type 2 diabetes are usually associated with excess weight (obesity).So, you can buy proactol and decrease food cravings.
By reducing excess weight,you will be healthier.
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11:27 am
“if religon dies, science also with it, science is trying to explain religon.”
??? I was under the impression that science is the study of ‘that which is observable’; even without religion, we wouldn’t be lost in an unethical wasteland, as most philosophies don’t tie directly into religion.
“if religon is lost there no meaning to knowing the questions like “is there a god”, “how were we created” and all the answerable questions.”
True, to a certain extent. Without religion, though, we’d have one less reason to discriminate against The Others.
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1:08 pm
Well, I could write a huge huge huge rambling post on this, and all the proof for evolution, and point out that this guy has no idea what the theory of evolution actually is.
It’s nothing to do with the big bang. It’s nothing to do with the creation of life. It’s nothing to do with the creation of earth. The only thing, ONLY THING, it does do, is try to explain the DIVERSITY of life. And nothing more.
Shit, I did it, I’ve started rambling.
Anyway, there’s a transistional fossil record, which is continuesly expands year after year, filling out all the blanks. Then there’s the chromosome pattern in the human genome that matches with the fusion of a pair of Ape chromosome. Then theirs the in lab experiments that produced an entire genetically different bacteria after 20,000 generations from ecoli. Read here:
http://content.yudu.com/Library/A113su/FocusMagazine/resources/9.htm. There’s Darwins finches, there’s the butterflies of industrial Manchester (or Birmingham, can’t quite remember)
There’s so so so much evidence for evolution. So much, that It’s impossible to go through it all. Many creationists say macro-evolution is impossible, yet accept micro-evolution. It’s crazy! there both the same thing, just different time scales. Then there’s the fact that depending on the intepretation of the bible, the 6,000 year old “creation of the earth” is actually Gods re-creation of the earth, meaning that the age of the earth really can be billions of years.
Not only that, but would you accept a scientists view on how a TV works. Or a Radio. Or an X-ray machine. Or a mobile? or a plane. Or a space shuttle, a nuke, telecomunications, engines, printer, light bulb, battery, computer… the list can go on and on. Sure you’ll accept it. So why not evolution when there’s so much evidence and the theory has never been debunked by the scientific peer review process? the exact same scientists that brought you all of todays scientific and technolical wonders from TV to flu jabs, to open heart surgery to your ability to actually post and view this topic.
Accepting evolution does not mean there is no god. In the words of the prodestant churches of the UK, Yes evolution is true, the evidence is undeniable, and God did it!
Blindness only serves to dumb down the populus that reads it.
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5:53 pm
heinkel
im curious, so dont go off spouting i don’t know anything or am willingly ignorant, etc. i just have a question.
during the flood the whole earth was flooded and therefore one large body of water, right?
**how did the varying salt and fresh water fish survive this if they were all alive at the same time in their same forms?**
if the flood waters were one (salty or fresh), we couldn’t have the other.
**and what about fish and other animals that only live in shallow water, rivers, tide pools, etc? were there aquariums on the ark?**
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8:40 pm
You’re assuming the earth’s geography was the same 4400 yrs. ago as it is today… the Great Flood changed the geography of the Earth drastically. The Bible says, much of the water was under the earth’s crust, so they didn’t have the oceans we have today. You’re also assuming the salt water was as salty 4400 yrs. ago as it is today. Since water gets saltier with time, that means 4400 yrs. ago, the water wasn’t nearly as salty. You’re also forgetting that creatures adapt to new situations, so 4400 yrs ago, the fish didn’t have to be so particular as to what type of water or how deep the water was. Also, the salt water crocs and the fresh water crocs all had a common ancestor… a croc!! Those crocs had to have adapted to get to the adaptive surroundings they live in today. Finally, 4400 yrs. ago, there might not have been any salt water fishes if the water wasn’t salty enough to make a difference.
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9:26 pm
How could most of the water have been under the Earth’s crust? It has a lower density, so it would’ve naturally risen up.
Also, with the crocs: changing whether they live in saltwater or not does not cause adaptation; it kills them. Adaptation is when the likelihood of survival is changed and they adapt over generations.
You can go and do a scientific study of ocean salinity increases over time. It wouldn’t increase significantly over such a tiny period of time. The salinity then was about the same as it is now.
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6:25 pm
blind blind blind, and missing the very point as usual! IF, there is a god IF! And I am not ignerant to the fact that it is a possiblity? If nothing else science is the mecanisum, the very first earth scientists were belivers in the cristain faith and it was that faith wich pushed them into some of the first earth thoery, eg the vulcanist movment vs the sediment movement, Sacrid theory of the earth by Tomas Burnet 1691 and on and on, how can you justify your ignerance, Evolution is a fact the earth is about 4.5 to 5 billion years old fact what has that got to do with satanism?? There is no excuse for holding on to a 2000 year old peace of eloquently writen scipture as fact, do the rest of civilsied world a favor and keep it to your selves your not doing god work your acting out your own fear, and is not fear the very path to hell its self?? take the book for what it is ment to be, a message of peace and love, trust me you might actually find a way to be happy if you do..
Science not organised religion and I still got my faith! x
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6:05 pm
You are all forgetting… the ULTIMATE ANSWER to life, the universe and everything… 42.
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9:15 pm
“A fair and accurate” description of evolution…please. That was extremely inaccurate and biased. Evolution should at least be understood before people decide to bash it.
What is the meaning and purpose to life? There is none. Life is pointless. That doesn’t mean that it can’t be fun and enjoyable, but it’s completely pointless nonetheless. We are the product of billions of years of chance. We aren’t here for any reason.
What I can’t understand is the argument that scientists can’t explain how everything came to be. Some people say God. Okay…so where did God come from? The fact is that we simply don’t know for sure yet. We don’t know where the Universe came from, and you don’t know where God came from.
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9:40 pm
Why is this stupid debate still going on ?
Anyone with a brain knows that Evolution is a LIE and that Creationism is a FACT.
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9:44 pm
Then why is it that evolution is backed by years and years and years of science and fact finding while creationism relies on a book that’s close to 2000 years old that’s been edited constantly with bits added in and taken out AND has several different branches within itself that all have different beliefs that stem from the same book AND each one relies on a different interpretation of the same book?
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9:52 pm
Evolution is NOT backed by evidence or facts. I believe that evolution is a faith.
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9:56 pm
It’s not backed by evidence or facts? How so? Do you just declare stuff and think it’s true without any proof?
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9:58 pm
Show me the evidence ! your theory is based on drawings and imagination.
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10:10 pm
Go read ‘Shadows of Forgotten Ancestors’, ‘Evolution and the Myth of Creationism: A Basic Guide to the Facts in the Evolution Debate’, ‘The Blind Watchmaker: Why the Evidence of Evolution Reveals a Universe without Design’, and ‘River Out Of Eden: A Darwinian View Of Life (Science Masters Series)’. Failing that, pick up any high school or college-level science text book.
Oh, and if you want to insult evolution by saying it’s all based on drawings and imagination, you might want to actually LOOK at the evidence first. That is, if you can even read.
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10:18 pm
I don’t want your religious propaganda books.
Show me a half bat half monkey, show me a half cat half fish, show me a half dinosaur half bird.
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10:26 pm
“I don’t want your religious propaganda books.”
Science isn’t religious propaganda.
“Show me a half bat half monkey, show me a half cat half fish, show me a half dinosaur half bird.”
Evolution does not work that way. If you actually did some research and actually LOOKED at the information, you’d realize that evolution is the process of organisms gaining or losing certain traits over a long period of time. It could range from various organs or body parts not being used anymore, it could be because of a need that the organisms needed for so long in order to survive, or it could just be increased intelligence or the ability to learn things at a faster pace.
What evolution is NOT, is a mix-and-match game that lets you make different creatures with different parts. However the hell you came up with THAT idea is beyond me. Rather, it WOULD be, if it weren’t for the fact that you’re dumber than a rock.
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4:40 pm
“life existed for 6000 – 10000 years”
I dont habeeb it, prove it.
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4:04 pm
You’re the one who does not completely understand the mystery of human DNA or genetic progress. I encourage you to listen to my podcast form of this message after it becomes available. Just shut your eyes, open your heart and learn.
Everything I said here is 100% factual and does not need empirical thinking, as being the word of truth it innately is empirical granted the good Lord wants our eyes to see it.
Answer me this? Why is it that scientists cannot clone a human? Why do the mitotic spindles wooosh…go away? It’s because it’s not yet time for us to master such things, but the universal creator knows every hair on your head, every molecule in this universe and beyond. You should take comfort, my young lad, of this great miracle of creating that dictates our science and laws of the universe.
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12:19 am
The reason Christians like you post this nonsense is because you have a persecution complex. Christ suffered so why can’t you? You know that you are going to incite derision when you post something as inane as “everything I said here is 100% factual and does not need empirical thinking,” yet you do it anyway. I wish I could reach through my computer and smack you because your antics give level-headed Christians like me a bad name. Although I bet you’d prefer something a little sicker than a plain smack on the face. A crown of thorns, a nail through the hands, a giant wooden cross… am I getting close, Pat?
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1:41 am
1. We don’t understand how the universe works. Not even Christians understand how the universe works. Christianity nor the bible explain the metaphysical properties of biology, physics, the laws of gravity or even the structure of the planet earth. Christians are as unknowing as non-Christians.
2. Even though god works in mysterious ways, that is true only in the eye of the human without understanding. God`s works are perfect, it is the basis of science. Our study of science is imperfect, therefore our understandings of god`s work is imperfect.
3. God is omnipresent. If god is everything and everywhere, there’s no reason to focus on one puny book (when compared against the vast universe) to find god. One might say that god is more present in the reality around us than the pages of inanimate text which was recited and printed by a small collection of men.
4. The universe is actually increasing in it’s state of organization. If you take into account known human history, you’ll notice this is true.
5. There’s an estimated 70 sextillion stars in the universe. Sorry, that’s 7 with 22 zeros, or 70 000 000 000 000 000 000 000, or 70 000 000 000 trillion stars. I think that makes it slightly plausible that life could exist on a planet circling one of those stars.
Now, taking these points into account, we that believe in evolution needn’t look further than the world which surrounds us. As stated earlier, things are constantly moving into a higher and higher state of organization, socially and physically.
You can’t tell me that life took 7 days, 49,000 years (or whatever silly number) etc to create. If science is perfect (Science is the observable world around god’s universe), as god is, then so would be the beginnings of the universe. I’ve never seen any animals magically appear out of thin air, and neither have you. You can accept at least that the bible is written in parables and you can’t take it’s word at face value.
Have you heard of Sumerians? Abraham was born in the Sumerian city of Ur. As founder of the Canaanites, he provided much of the doctrine which the bible sits on. One of those things he perpetuated was the “7 days of creation.” Did you know that the Sumerians had 7 tablets of creation? I won’t get into it, but if you would like to argue about it please read more here:
http://www.occultech.com/Library/stoc/
Keep in mind that Sumerians are the first civilization known to man. If you can refute this claim that Abraham borrowed the idea of creation from the Sumerians, please let me know. My email is maplejib[at]hotmail[dot]com, feel free to contact me for debate or add me to your messenger.
Ok. Now that we`ve established that the Christian people cannot understand creation solely by biblical account, I would like to say again, neither Christian nor non-Christian can explain the origin of life. Only that it was here before we were.
If you cannot explain how life came to be (besides sand = man, man`s rib = woman), then why do you expect us to? We don’t presume to know where life came from. The idea is that we are evolving.. right now. Your understanding has evolved throughout your life. Computers have evolved through the ingenuity of humans. Humanity has evolved socially through trial and error of various social and structural systems. Life evolves, it’s a property of life.
I think rather than focusing on that which we don’t know, focus on that which we do. Your understanding of my opinion has evolved since before you read this blurb.
If you have any questions or would like to debate this, feel free to reply or message me directly.
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1:42 am
1. We don’t understand how the universe works. Not even Christians understand how the universe works. Christianity nor the bible explain the metaphysical properties of biology, physics, the laws of gravity or even the structure of the planet earth. Christians are as unknowing as non-Christians.
2. Even though god works in mysterious ways, that is true only in the eye of the human without understanding. God`s works are perfect, it is the basis of science. Our study of science is imperfect, therefore our understandings of god`s work is imperfect.
3. God is omnipresent. If god is everything and everywhere, there’s no reason to focus on one puny book (when compared against the vast universe) to find god. One might say that god is more present in the reality around us than the pages of inanimate text which was recited and printed by a small collection of men.
4. The universe is actually increasing in it’s state of organization. If you take into account known human history, you’ll notice this is true.
5. There’s an estimated 70 sextillion stars in the universe. Sorry, that’s 7 with 22 zeros, or 70 000 000 000 000 000 000 000, or 70 000 000 000 trillion stars. I think that makes it slightly plausible that life could exist on a planet circling one of those stars.
Now, taking these points into account, we that believe in evolution needn’t look further than the world which surrounds us. As stated earlier, things are constantly moving into a higher and higher state of organization, socially and physically.
You can’t tell me that life took 7 days, 49,000 years (or whatever silly number) etc to create. If science is perfect (Science is the observable world around god’s universe), as god is, then so would be the beginnings of the universe. I’ve never seen any animals magically appear out of thin air, and neither have you. You can accept at least that the bible is written in parables and you can’t take it’s word at face value.
Have you heard of Sumerians? Abraham was born in the Sumerian city of Ur. As founder of the Canaanites, he provided much of the doctrine which the bible sits on. One of those things he perpetuated was the “7 days of creation.” Did you know that the Sumerians had 7 tablets of creation? I won’t get into it, but if you would like to argue about it please read more here:
http://www.occultech.com/Library/stoc/
Keep in mind that Sumerians are the first civilization known to man. If you can refute this claim that Abraham borrowed the idea of creation from the Sumerians, please let me know. My email is maplejib[at]hotmail[dot]com, feel free to contact me for debate or add me to your messenger.
Ok. Now that we`ve established that the Christian people cannot understand creation solely by biblical account, I would like to say again, neither Christian nor non-Christian can explain the origin of life. Only that it was here before we were.
If you cannot explain how life came to be (besides sand = man, man`s rib = woman), then why do you expect us to? We don’t presume to know where life came from. The idea is that we are evolving.. right now. Your understanding has evolved throughout your life. Computers have evolved through the ingenuity of humans. Humanity has evolved socially through trial and error of various social and structural systems. Life evolves, it’s a property of life.
I think rather than focusing on that which we don’t know, focus on that which we do. Your understanding of my opinion has evolved since before you read this blurb.
If you have any questions or would like to debate this, feel free to reply or message me directly.
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6:23 pm
There are several things I love about this article.
“the Earth must be billions of years old since in that time molecules could ‘magically’ arrange themselves to form humans and lesser animals.”
Yes, it does take billions of years for evolution to occur. Since our species has only considered it the last hundred and fifty or so, it kinda makes sense that we haven’t directly seen any speciation. Also, why is your God allowed to use magic (are you suggesting something else) and we can’t? Seems a little hypocritical to me. Not that there’s anything “magical” about it; it seems pretty simple to me. For example: A species is only able to eat a certain type of plant. After a few hundred years, a genetic mutation occurs which allows it to eat other types of plants, enabling it to grow larger and faster, and therefore reproduce more. After thousands, millions, and billions of years, all these changes coupled with enormous numbers result in billions of different animals. Changes in diet, in propulsion, in defense mechanisms, in attack mechanisms, in size, in color, and in basic biology can all occur (and do. There are people all over the world with physical deformities and other genetic mutations; these are simply mutations that do not assist the survival of that particular creature, and therefore they are usually not passed on to the next generation).
“It is at this point that those who claim to be true scientists will jump and cite carbon-dating as not only disproof of a divine creation, but of God himself!”
No one is using carbon dating to disprove the existence of God. In fact, nowhere in here does the existence of God come into question. Evolution and natural selection are completely feasible with the existence of an omnipotent being, they just require nonintervention. Also, we don’t use carbon to date the globe, we use potassium and argon. Stick that in your “100% factual” and dance.
“no scientist on Earth can say with 100% confidence the age of the universe, but they can estimate on arbitrary means.”
Another simple process. Take two stars in the sky, and over the course of a hundred years or so, record the changes in their distance from us and from each other. This gives an accurate rate at which the universe is expanding. Now, estimate the radius of the universe, which can be done by similar processes (near the center of the universe unique astronomical phenomenon begin to occur). So, you have the size of the universe, and how fast it is expanding. Simple math will allow you to determine how long it would take to go from having a radius of 0 to its current radius, and there’s the age of the universe. It’s not arbitrary, it’s astronomy and mathematics.
“What we do know is that life on Earth has existed for only 6,000 – 10,000 years”
Here’s where carbon dating comes in. Fossils excavated can be carbon-dated to determine their age; it’s the same thing as with potassium and argon, just with carbon. It’s a simple process. Carbon-14 has a half-life of a few thousand years (5700 to be exact), which means that every 5700 years it half of it decays. If you had 100 g of carbon-14, in 5700 years you would have 50 g, then in another 5700 years you would have 25 g. The ratio of carbon-12 to carbon-14 in any living organism is constant, and carbon-12 does not decay. So by measuring the amount of carbon-12 in a fossil, and comparing to the amount of carbon-14, you can determine the age of the fossil. This only works with things up to 60,000 years old; after that you have to use other isotopes (potassium-40 has a half-life of 1.3 billion years). So yes, we actually can know that some things are over 10,000 years old. We can know things are actually much older than that.
“Evolution does not occur in the way some secular geneticists or theorists try to make you believe”
“Mutations cannot product such drastically new genetic information”
“The one simple truth is that VARIATION drives genetic progress”
“Scientists cannot prove otherwise”
I’m confused as to how you can say these things with such absolute certainty. How do you KNOW that evolution does not occur in the way most (nearly all, in fact) scientists say? How do you KNOW that mutations can’t produce new information? How do you KNOW that variation drives genetic progress? How do you KNOW scientists cannot disprove the “facts” of the Bible? Where is your information coming from? Or are you operating on the cycle of: “What the Bible says is true because it says so in the Bible”? Do you not see why that’s a logical fallacy? Have you done the necessary experimentation to prove that this is all false, and if so, why are you posting on a Christian website instead of a scientific journal? The scientific community is clearly open to change (hell, our views as to what’s right and what’s wrong are changing every day) while yours seem to be rather close-minded (“God is the ONLY POSSIBLE explanation”), and I’m sure they would welcome any contributions you could make that are backed up by observable evidence. “Shut your eyes,” however, doesn’t really work with them.
I would also like to point out your selective acceptance of science. You have all faith in DNA and genetics, while you can’t possibly bring yourself to consider evolution. Five hundred years ago, when the Bible was the same as it is now, if you proclaimed that we were actually made of tiny little bits all strung together that each contained the information for all of us you would probably be stoned. Or burned. If you’re going to convince yourself so passionately that evolution is a crock, why have anything to do with science at all? Why not give up your computer and your Internet connection (after all, silicon chips are EVIL AND MADE BY SATANISTS, or as some like to call them, scientists and engineers)? Why not give up your electricity (more science)? How about your car (science and engineering)? Running water (science and engineering)? Cooked food (your oven and burners all operate on the designs of scientists and engineers)? Even rubbing two sticks together or fashioning a spear is more science and engineering. If your God is so powerful, and scientists the world over so much stupider than you about everything, then do away with their satanist creations and live naked in the forest with a copy of the Bible (oh wait, printing and writing both count as science) on the assumption that your God will provide everything you need.
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12:21 pm
actually, cloning humans is possible : http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/02/human-clones-ap.html
They got it, they just can’t let them grow all the way because people whould freak out. I think anyone with less than a 75 IQ should be nutered or spayed
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6:18 pm
Scientists could Clone a Human But doing so is highly Immoral and becuase of that it has never been attempted not to mention that cloning is still in its very early years The goal is to Clone individual Organs of a Human to use them for Transplants, If a organ is made of your cells there is no reason for your body to reject it however breeding of full clones for this purpose raises many questions about what we should and should not do such does a clone have the same right to live as i do? is killing a clone Murder? as Is a cloned human diserving of the rights of a “normal” Woman Born Human, Does a Clone have a soul? Should a Clone be able to interact with the Rest of The world? Why Shouldnt we use Clones as soldiers to spare the lives of “real” men?
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2:04 pm
if religon dies, science also with it, science is trying to explain religon.
if religon is lost there no meaning to knowing the questions like “is there a god”, “how were we created” and all the answerable questions.
now pat, you said, the earth is 6000-10000 year, so tell me, what about the dinosaurs? you have got to admit that evolution is real.
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3:47 pm
This is mainly for you, Daniel, and that Jon fellow up above as well as other comments from those who need to be educated up above.
In this column, note the part where I cite: “What we do know is that life on Earth has existed for only 6,000 – 10,000 years.” Guys like Critical-Thinking, which must actually translate to ‘Can’t Read A Full Article due to self-diagnosed ADHD but Love to Jump to Comments to Write Obligatory Nonsense Making Myself look Foolish”, may also want to pay attention to the portions about point-forward genetic drift and changes.
To answer the questions of dinosaurs: of course they existed! Dr Richard Owen, the man who discovered and documented some of the first dinosaur fossils coined the term ‘Dinosauria’, which means ‘terrible lizard. Dr Owen, like many other educated people, was a creationist and a scientist. Science is naturally religious in nature, since God is the universal creator. All scientists should therefore follow Owen’s lead in being creationists, but it takes a special understanding to get to this point. You first have to break the tired mold, or dogma, of trendy modern science.
Modern secular scientists can only guess at what may have been with dinosaurs. Evolutionists, as mentioned, need the current and very refutable theory of evolution to be 100% true, therefore they have to naturally place dinosaurs as creatures that existed millions of years ago and were ‘magically’ wiped out by some contrived disaster. Their theories must exist within a framework or they have to reinvent the proverbial wheel. We’ve heard everything from a killer asteroid inducing an ice age, to a widespread dino plague to alien abduction spouted by these scientists.
The truth is, evolutionists have no clue about a true time-frame, will contrive ‘proof’ to say otherwise and ultimately use ‘I’m a scientist and you’re not’ as a crutch to their argument.
I’m here to tell you today friends, as a creation scientist, that it’s all guesswork. All past assumptions and ‘proof’ of evolution is all guess work, and by technical definition, should be rejected as ever being full accepted as fact in science.
If for a second you can not be scared and let your mind be open, which some of you may not have the courage to do and that’s fine if you’re that insecure, consider the example of Genesis. There is a very plausible explanation of what happened to the dinosaurs of the land, air and sea.
By historical accounts, Earth did experience a massive flood. What precipatated the flood? Simple divine edict, a colossal meteor some other planetary event…it’s not exactly known how it was carried out, but it did occur.
During the time of the flood, a great number of animal species survived in Noah’s arc, and others naturally survived this catastrophic period of time.
In the post-Flood Earth, the biosphere was remarkably different and there were some major points to consider:
1) Lack of genetic diversity and close proximity ensured some species died out.
2) Competition for very limited amount of food.
3) Man hunted animals for sport
4) Some animals did not have enough plasticity within genome to acclimate to new habitat/climate.
Considering that the Flood naturally brought death to the largest, most ‘terrible’ of the dinosaurs (even in parts of Earth uninhabited by man), it becomes quite evident as to how dinosaurs and other species saw their demise at this point in history.
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4:52 pm
“This is mainly for you, Daniel, and that Jon fellow up above as well as other comments from those who need to be educated up above.”
“Guys like Critical-Thinking, which must actually translate to ‘Can’t Read A Full Article due to self-diagnosed ADHD but Love to Jump to Comments to Write Obligatory Nonsense Making Myself look Foolish”
You’re very rude, and you’re also a bigot. I did read your article, and I didn’t use the same numbers as you intentionally to reach out to a different group of christians than yourself. I know of some which claim that the 7 days of creation translates into 49,000 years.
As you refuse to respond to my reply, I will not respond to yours. Maybe if you were a little more respectful..
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4:55 pm
I’ll forgive you for being rude if you at least address my points. I didn’t make any mention of the flood or of dinosaurs. Do you agree with what I said, or are you unable to rebut it?
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5:43 pm
“Modern secular scientists can only guess at what may have been with dinosaurs. Evolutionists, as mentioned, need the current and very refutable theory of evolution to be 100% true, therefore they have to naturally place dinosaurs as creatures that existed millions of years ago and were ‘magically’ wiped out by some contrived disaster. Their theories must exist within a framework or they have to reinvent the proverbial wheel. We’ve heard everything from a killer asteroid inducing an ice age, to a widespread dino plague to alien abduction spouted by these scientists.”
Its ill informed comments like this that make me wonder if you have even looked into the actual demise of the Dinosaurs?
Long before any major event took place to finish them off they were already on the way out. The worlds climate is changing all the time and when you get a period of stability for a relatively long period of time it allows the best suited population to take advantage in this case the Dinosaurs. Then due to their massive size it makes it difficult for them to adapt and change when the climate inevitably alters again causing mass extinction, the appearance of an asteroid is only the final straw on the camels back (incidentally it did happen, the crater is in Mexico).
Also this isn’t the first time a period of mass extinction has taken place (5 before the dinosaurs if I remember my literature correctly) and I doubt you are aware that it also wasn’t the last with current extinctions actually occurring on at a more rapid amount, and not a flood of biblical proportions in sight.
“In the post-Flood Earth, the biosphere was remarkably different and there were some major points to consider:
1) Lack of genetic diversity and close proximity ensured some species died out.
2) Competition for very limited amount of food.
3) Man hunted animals for sport
4) Some animals did not have enough plasticity within genome to acclimate to new habitat/climate.
Considering that the Flood naturally brought death to the largest, most ‘terrible’ of the dinosaurs (even in parts of Earth uninhabited by man), it becomes quite evident as to how dinosaurs and other species saw their demise at this point in history”
I can’t even begin to explain the things wrong with this statement but I’ll give it a good go.
For a start their may very well have been a mass flood, it has been recorded in many ancient texts not just the bible, it even appeared in one of the earliest known recorded stories known to man that was written 1000s of years before the bible, so what makes you think such an event was due to your specific religion? and was not just a geological event that took place.
Secondly there isn’t enough water in the whole world to flood the world, even if all the ice caps melted the sea levels would rise but not even enough to flood the majority of central England. Whilst devastatingly to us as humans is unlikely to cause longterm damage to the world as its happened before.
And finally you seem to have the child like grasp of Dinosaur knowledge as you describe them as both a ‘species’ and of living in the sea and air (they didn’t, both air and sea reptiles of the era weren’t dinosaurs), Dinosaurs were far from just one species and referring them to one would be like saying all mammals known to man (us including) are of the same species. There is even plenty of fossil evidence to suggest that the smaller dinosaurs (once the bigger ones died out) went on to evolve into the birds we have today, just look up Archaeopteryx for more info.
Whilst I would quite happily continue to dissect your topic I don’t currently have the time, please contact me if there is anything else you think you might have said that is complete nonsense and I’ll be happy to correct you.
I will leave you with a final statement.
“evolutionists have no clue about a true time-frame, will contrive ‘proof’ to say otherwise and ultimately use ‘I’m a scientist and you’re not’ as a crutch to their argument.”
and what exactly is your reasoning behind thinking you’re right?
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11:47 am
“You first have to break the tired mold, or dogma, of trendy modern science.”
Ha. You, a biblical literalist, a creationist, have the audacity to use the word “dogma” in reference to SCIENCE.
I think you broke my irony meter.
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3:04 pm
I agree with Jon that you are simply a closed minded bigot.. respond to his well-thought out response instead of just labeling him as some no-minded person trying to make a fool out of you.
He is only telling you that your own theory, which is developed out of pure brainwashed Christian thought processes which you probably can’t even help by this point in your life, simply ignores many hundreds of other SCIENTIFIC(I’m sorry but “creation” science?, those two words don’t even belong in the same sentence never mind title) theories which are based upon FACTS and EVIDENCE.
Another thing I couldn’t help reply to was your ridiculous claims of what evolution is: saying that we developed into these complex beings because of, “random magical explosions from nothing-ness”. That really made me laugh, random is the only thing you got right. But magical explosions from nothing-ness, now you’re starting to sound like Disney.
Random genetic mutations caused by influence in environment and simply by the fact that no 2 beings are completely identical.. because we have this natural diversity that causes these mutations to someday maybe be beneficial to a species. Therefore the organisms with these mutations can be more successful to survive and PRESTO(+ thousands of years), evolution in a nutshell.
Now I’m positive you already know this because you wrote a book on BASHING evolution, but I’m just curious sir, why do you completely ignore all facts in your claims?
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3:05 pm
I agree with Jon that you are simply a closed minded bigot.. respond to his well-thought out response instead of just labeling him as some no-minded person trying to make a fool out of you.
He is only telling you that your own theory, which is developed out of pure brainwashed Christian thought processes which you probably can’t even help by this point in your life, simply ignores many hundreds of other SCIENTIFIC(I’m sorry but “creation” science?, those two words don’t even belong in the same sentence never mind title) theories which are based upon FACTS and EVIDENCE.
Another thing I couldn’t help reply to was your ridiculous claims of what evolution is: saying that we developed into these complex beings because of, “random magical explosions from nothing-ness”. That really made me laugh, random is the only thing you got right. But magical explosions from nothing-ness, now you’re starting to sound like Disney.
Random genetic mutations caused by influence in environment and simply by the fact that no 2 beings are completely identical.. because we have this natural diversity that causes these mutations to someday maybe be beneficial to a species. Therefore the organisms with these mutations can be more successful to survive and PRESTO(+ thousands of years), evolution in a nutshell.
Now I’m positive you already know this because you wrote a book on BASHING evolution, but I’m just curious sir, why do you completely ignore all facts in your claims?
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11:42 pm
I think you need to get up to date with the debate here.
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12:56 am
this is no troll. these are real arguments of creationists. they’re better than any other argument I’ve heard from creationists, but it’s rooted in the same foundations. sadly.
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9:11 am
Who’s this “we” boy? That’s a whole lot of $10 words but they add up to diddly-squat – God created the Earth 6,000 years ago. It stands to reason that He, for whatever reason, created the Sumarians, therefore they could not have invented anything before God created them.
God said it, I believe it – Case closed
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1:21 am
“3. God is omnipresent. If god is everything and everywhere, there’s no reason to focus on one puny book (when compared against the vast universe) to find god. One might say that god is more present in the reality around us than the pages of inanimate text which was recited and printed by a small collection of men.”
Well said… Well said indeed. Observations like this are far more enlightening than “God said it, I believe it” – especially since it’s Man’s interpretation of what was shown at the time of enlightenment. Man’s mind can never truly encompass what might be out there when there are others who are twisting words to butress their already morally-decayed goals.
If you’re going to believe the bible, one book of many many many books, then you must believe the WHOLE bible. See any of the many rants about “what the bible REALLY says” on YouTube for more detail there… but unless you, yourself, adhere to the ascetic principles of your Holy Book you have no strength in your conviction.
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10:19 am
“it is therefore a question of logic… who created nature? something NOT found in nature, therefore something supernatural… God”
That is unassailable logic. Hellbound trash may ask why there had to be anyone to create nature at all, or who created God, but that just goes to show you the truth of the following:
1 Cor. 2:14: But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.
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11:40 am
Friend, I can feel that your spirit is combative and full of fear. It is not settled because you’re ignoring what you know is right in your heart. It has been hardened, but that’s ok. You can open it up and accept the true word.
Have you ever opened yourself up to praying and accepting? Clearly you most likely have not, and this is why you’ve had problems in your life and at times felt as if you had to where to turn.
I’m here to tell you today to open your heart and mind. God does not need proof to exist, nor should you have fear of all things that cannot be shown vis-a-vis empiricism. The God of creation is beyond our highest thoughts, and in our insignificance in his presence you should relish and rejoice.
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11:55 am
You must feel awfully dumb.
Cosmological evolution has absolutely nothing to do with biological evolution. Cosmological evolution has nothing to do with biology even.
Spontaneous generation has absolutely nothing to do with… well, anything. It was a very stupid idea that living things appear, fully formed, out of nothing. Such as mice appearing out of piles of rags, flies appearing out of rotting trash and frogs springing out of puddles of muddy water.
I’ll give you the benefit of a doubt though and assume you’re TRYING to speak of the chemosynthesis, meaning that under the right conditions, non-living chemicals can begin to take on aspects of living things. Bear in mind that chemosynthesis is scientific FACT, and has been proven to be possible. Nonliving chemicals have been created that reproduce, hybridize, undergo natural selection and evolve. Weather or not you believe that that was the origin of life on earth or not is up to you, but you cannot claim that it is impossible.
And finally, your claim of zero evidence for evolution is beyond stupid. There are literally THOUSANDS of documented cases of creatures changing, or evolving, to adapt to their environments. And there is even more evidence of evolution occurring all throughout the fossil record.
You can go bury your head in the sand if you like, we’ll keep living in the real world.
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11:57 am
Your scientific ignorance and ability to sync it with The Truth is appalling. To think that something as complex as the human brain, or the DNA that dictates its structure and resultant function, is the result of random magical explosions from nothing-ness and such is complete foolishness.
Truly, it is a very silly notion to assume that ‘well, it’s trillions of years old so it could have happened…’ is a legitimate ruse, or backdrop, to the very contrived secularist theory of evolution.
The Creationist Theory of Evolution, which I taught you about here, my young and misguided friend, is what you need to get ingrained into your mind. I’m sure in time, with faith and the support of prayer, you may achieve a less primitive level of conceptualizing the truth of existence.
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12:07 pm
Thanks, Yoda.
I can’t believe this debate is still raging. Do you believe in alchemy too?
Answer me this: why is it you have no trouble believing what is written in a (self-contradictory) book the origins of which are ambiguous at best, but if someone were to present you with a New New Testament that they claim was given to them from God 2 weeks ago, you would burn them at the stake?
You believe what you are told because it’s easy and requires no independent thought. Do you think people who study science all their lives just make this stuff up to be confrontational? Darwin created the theory of evolution just to piss religious people off? Darwin, by the way, was studying to be an Anglican parson when he started to discover naturalism.
If you want to believe your stories, you are free to do so. But the second you try to quash scientific understand by waving the bible in my face is the second I reach for one of the thousands of books written by people, of whom we have actual proof of existence, who spend their lives to understanding the universe.
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12:09 pm
Your embarrassing attempts at invoking ‘technobabble’ to invoke a sense of authority aside, perhaps you can perform a scientific experiment of your own.
Take any inanimate object you want, perhaps a nice piece of acrylic glass. Boil it and wash it with acetone. Put it in a sterile area, perhaps with other pieces of glass. Wait a lifetime. Aside from any microbes you may have missed since you’re clearly not versed in science, the glass will not develop into a lifeform.
Chemosynthesis is a process observed in lifeforms, Billy. It is the active conversion of carbon based inorganics to organics. This is a process unique to existing life forms. Human-initiated chemosynthesis is a potential application of what we’ve observed from creation and theoretical.
Nowhere has it been observed that we can simply create life from inorganic raw materials.
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12:29 pm
I find your accusations of alchemy to be quite troubling. Perhaps you do not know what you’re suggesting?
Alchemy is a tradition of the Persian Arabs. It has roots directly out of line to the heritage of our moral Western culture, and to this day terrorists employ alchemy when committing unimaginable atrocities against the innocent. So no, I do not like alchemy and I truly hope the same goes for you as well.
A big misconception, and I’ve found this to be true with the youth under my supervision at our Christian Center, is that Christianity and science do not go hand in hand. The truth is that science falls under the branch of True Christianity.
God is the creator of everything that we can observe and beyond. Science is our way of understanding the world around us. Therefore science is also a way to understand the natural order of creation, as mandated by God. Since Christianity is the system of which we understand the world, through the truth of the Bible, it’s obvious that the Bible gives insight into what we discover anew (but is already known to God).
Secular evolutionists have worked long and hard to destroy this relationship of a Christian parent to the offshoot of science. They spread lies, paranoia, propaganda and fear in attempts to diminish the bonds between true science and Christianity. New discoveries in science are embraced by Christians as well, much as Pat showed in this excerpt from one of his lectures.
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1:13 pm
It seems reading comprehension may not be your strength, my young friend.
“Vienna Cardinal Christoph Schoenborn, an influential cardinal considered close to Benedict, has condemned a U.S. federal court decision that barred a Pennsylvania school district from teaching intelligent design in biology class.
Schoenborn has said he wants to correct what he says is a widespread misconception that the Catholic Church has given blanket endorsement to Darwin’s theories.”
Additionally, after you carefully read this excerpt from my lecture series, you will understand, again, how science and religion DO go hand in hand. That is the point in all of this.
Science is naturally ingrained in the one true religion, and Christianity is science as explained by faith. What may not make sense to us now just may 100, 1000, 10000 years down the line. The important thing to realize is that it was always known to God.
The teachings of science being reconciled with the facts from Bible will be something we begin to see more and more.
So, no, the Vatican most definitely did not in any way imply science trumps creationism. The point of the Vatican is that Christianity is not mutually exclusive to science.
The point where I believe you and others became excited is the manner in which some extremist officials from the Vatican expressed this to the public. The Catholic Church has truly been eager to make concessions with the secular world, all in attempts to fortify membership. I frown upon such things and so did the very noble Martin Luther.
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1:16 pm
It seems reading comprehension may not be your strength, my young friend.
“Vienna Cardinal Christoph Schoenborn, an influential cardinal considered close to Benedict, has condemned a U.S. federal court decision that barred a Pennsylvania school district from teaching intelligent design in biology class.
Schoenborn has said he wants to correct what he says is a widespread misconception that the Catholic Church has given blanket endorsement to Darwin’s theories.”
Additionally, after you carefully read this excerpt from my lecture series, you will understand, again, how science and religion DO go hand in hand. That is the point in all of this.
Science is naturally ingrained in the one true religion, and Christianity is science as explained by faith. What may not make sense to us now just may 100, 1000, 10000 years down the line. The important thing to realize is that it was always known to God.
The teachings of science being reconciled with the facts from Bible will be something we begin to see more and more.
So, no, the Vatican most definitely did not in any way imply science trumps creationism. The point of the Vatican is that Christianity is not mutually exclusive to science.
The point where I believe you and others became excited is the manner in which some extremist officials from the Vatican expressed this to the public. The Catholic Church has truly been eager to make concessions with the secular world, all in attempts to fortify membership. I frown upon such things and so did the very noble Martin Luther.
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1:21 pm
Actually the development of the brain is well documented as a case of lower order to higher order functioning that is still observable in current animal species. You might have known that if you have any real understand of the teaching of Introductory Biology, but I know you heart is hardened to the truth. I feel it calling out to Darwin my friend! It will come with time, don’t worry young one.
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9:55 pm
You’ve got me there. Making bits of glass into life is firmly in the realm of hocus-pocus and magic. Only god can turn chunks of glass into living things. I honestly cant argue with that one.
However, I never said anything about pieces of glass. Sorry if I used too many big words and confused you, that was my bad. I’m talking about genetic nucleotides synthesized from simple organic chemicals. If you knew half as much about biology as you think you do, you’d know that science has actually created self replicating organic molecules out of simple non-living chemicals.
Scientists have created synthetic RNA molecules in the lab that reproduce, mutate, hybridize between each other, and (Dare I say it? YES!) They EVOLVE! These RNA pieces are not alive, but the demonstrate many of the abilities of living things. Read all about it here: http://www.livescience.com/strangenews/090111-creating-life.html
And my ‘technobabble’ as you call it isn’t nearly as embarrassing as your blazing ignorance.
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11:38 pm
This experiment has already been done. It proved that you could produce organic matter from inorganic matter.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller-Urey_experiment
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4:09 pm
Pat is a troll or a moron. No one can really be this illogical and claim to be a man of logic. I don’t really care if you don’t agree with evolution as that is your prerogative, but if you are trying to convince others you have to provide solid logical reasoning. Nothing you have said makes any sense unless it is to be believed by faith alone. “Because it’s in the Bible” is not good proof. Disproving A does not prove B. Throwing around bad information and poorly deduced ideas only discourages others to even begin to accept your claims. I would suggest you leave the convincing to other believers who work on a slightly higher IQ. I know, you think you’re intelligent, I’m sorry. I have, and will, continue to listen to all arguments and always keep an open mind. You, however, just make my skin crawl and force me to write out this response so that I can sleep tonight. Ew.
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6:02 pm
That sounds suspiciously homosexual, which I suppose is quite befitting behavior of naturally liberal atheists.
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7:08 pm
FAIL
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7:09 pm
More FAIL
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8:54 pm
Wow you Fundies are backward….
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7:10 pm
OMG!!!!!!!
If Edward Cullen is real in “Twilight”, then he is real in real life.
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7:11 pm
Not everything in life is meant to be funny or full of jokes. Not everything is made for you to chuckle and grin from ear to ear from hearing. This is important to remember as the fate who await those who do not embrace the truth will be an eternal hellfire, where the only use for your teeth is eternal gnashing with no smiles at all.
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7:11 pm
Yeah, and priests.
FAILx3
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8:56 pm
having theistic beliefs != taking a metaphorical text literally
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8:57 pm
Right on the money,Pat. All life on Earth is too complex to have evolved. An animal can only change a trait not turn into a different animal. Evolutionists are the ones that are close minded. They base all their beliefs on a book written by a man that visited one set of islands. I’m not religeous, but I do believe in God. What God is I don’t know. Hey, maybe he “evolved” from a rock. Maybe he “was” the big bang. What you evolutionists are trying to stuff down our throats is denial because your brains haven’t “evolved” like the rest of ours.
One more thing. Hitler was a fan of Darwin.
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10:25 pm
Too bad the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil didn’t have an apple filled with the knowledge of English for you.
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10:27 pm
As it is also shown from Genesis, Exodus, Job and into the new testament, you do not presume to test or question the Lord your God.
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10:30 pm
That’s very clever. Did you come up with that yourself or did Jeebus whisper in your ear?
I see people here calling you a moron. I wouldn’t go so far. I think you know full well about Natural Selection. If you’ve made more than one or two posts promoting your retarded anti-evolution propaganda, you’ve undoubtedly been berated by better-educated people pointing out the flaws in your statements (as is evidenced herein) many times before. So you’re no ignorant. You’re a liar.
You know darn well there’s overwheming scientific evidence that supports evolution. You can’t pretend you’ve never heard of natural selection. You can’t mingle abiogenesis with evolutionary biology as if they’re both the same thing. You’ve undoubtedly been corrected many, many times. So what we have here is a professional propagandist liar.
I understand your career probably depends upon you continuing to promote this delusion, but I might ask you to contemplate whether or not your talents at some point in the future might better serve humanity by engaging in something more honest and ethical than lying about what is and isn’t science and reality.
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10:37 pm
“Hitler was a fan of Darwin.”
This is why Creationists are constantly laughed at. It’s statements like this that they fall back on when they have nothing else to present as any sort of substantial evidence.
You know, Vlad III the Impaler was hailed as a Christian hero for spreading the religion throughout Romania! You should Google him. There is a reason he is the inspiration behind the myth of the vampire Count Dracula.
Hitler being a fan of Darwin =/= Darwin was wrong. If Hitler was a fan of the Christian band, Newsboys, would you consider them evil as well?
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10:37 pm
So Pat, if you heard a voice in your ear tell you to take your first born son out into the woods and murder him, would you? Are you as nutty as Abraham? How can you respect a god with such bizarre, immoral, sadistic tendencies?
So Pat, do you hold your children guilty of the sins of their ancestors? If your grandfather stole something, should you go to jail for it as well? No? Then why believe in the goofy idea of “original sin?”
So Pat, when’s the last time you ritualistically murdered an innocent creature to pay off a debt? You don’t think that’s barbaric and immoral? Why celebrate this idea of Jesus’ crucifixion as an acceptable way to atone for someone else’s sin?
Speaking of “sacrifice”, if Jesus died and then came back to life, how exactly is that a sacrifice? It sounds more like a dog-and-pony show.
Even if you goofy god existed, he makes no sense and is certainly not an example of moral behavior.
Of course, that’s assuming the bible has any real “Truth” in it, but that’s dubious at best when we all know the books of the New Testament were written decades after Jesus supposedly lived, by people who never knew him. There is no contemporaneous evidence that historical Jesus even existed. The legitimacy of the bible is no more solid than the legitimacy of the historicity of Jesus, which is dubious at best. Virtually everything you preach is totally arbitrary and speculative, and even if it was true, what you preach makes no sense and is not an acceptable moral standard in today’s modern society.
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10:38 pm
Reading through this page and the prior page, I think Pat’s point earlier is that inorganic molecules do not randomly arrange into lifeforms. That’s malarky and not even scientific by professional standards.
What happens is that some microbes can convert inorganic compounds into organic compounds, and from that process some scientists THEORIZE that humans may be able to craft inorganic compounds into mimicking that of those which live. At any rate, it all requires an existing lifeform, by design or intelligence, manipulating chemicals. Not the other way around.
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10:42 pm
It’s all irrelevant. Pat is a professional liar. He isn’t interested in science or the truth. He cherry-picks scientific terms and takes them out of context to prove a foregone conclusion.
Like I said before, that he pretends that the creation of life and the evolution of life are one and the same, is a sign of how he is being intellectually dishonest. To suggest “life happens by chance” is an outright lie. He can get away with that retarded claim JUST ONCE, then someone with a 5th grade science education will correct him, and from that point on, if he says it again, he’s lying. I contend he knows full well what he’s doing. So trying to educate him is an exercise in futility when he knows full well what he’s saying isn’t true.
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10:49 pm
I see your dino-riding Jesus and raise you a
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10:53 pm
Why do you insist on propagating untruths? There is no question that the building blocks of life and Earth itself may be very aged, into the billions of years. Life itself, however, is clearly set out in the Bible.
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11:12 pm
I would like to see your evidence that life is only several thousand years old. Besides ‘because it says so in the bible’ I mean.
Obviously, the bible is true because the bible says its true. But I’d like to see some scientific evidence. Because there’s lots and lots of evidence that life is a fair bit older than 10,000 years old, but not a whole lot that suggests its less than that.
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11:32 pm
Yes, that is exactly what I was thinking. Couldn’t have put it better myself.
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2:45 am
“Part of believing in God is hope. Hope that we don’t have to suffer in this life.”
Actually, all of believing in God is hope. But it’s not the hope that you describe. It’s the hope of eternal life, the hope that one did good for the world, and hope in the sense that “boy, I hope I’m right, because shit sucks god.”
Whether or not we suffer in this world is ENTIRELY up to us. WE make the rules around here, God ain’t got one farthing to do with what we do. MAYBE he smacked a drum yesterday so he could watch the spectacle. More than likely he’s off in some other dimension drinking a beer with his buddy gods talking about how his universe is gonna be first in the Multiverse Fantasy game they’re playing.
FREE YOURSELF! The world is right the fuck outside and great things happen IN THIS LIFE when we do well, and religion is distracting as fuck.
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11:36 pm
Your argument “How can you believe something as complex as X came into being with higher intelligence” is called, in logic, argument from ignorance. The fact that you used this argument to point someone else’s ignorance also broke my irony meter. Wikipedia, seriously.
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1:05 am
That’s a nice story. And a big, fat-assed strawman!
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2:29 am
Hi Pat,
I’m going to tell a story, and I hope you read it because I’m not writing it for the other folks on this thread; it’s a bit off-topic. The story concerns myself, one Frederick Dean Grottinhue (not my real name), and a few happenings.
Years ago, I went to church, every Sunday. I spent an hour in Sunday school, where I heard the stories of the Old Testament: Noah, Moses, King David, Solomon, Samson and his wondrous flowing locks, the garden of Eden, Adam, Eve, the serpent and all. They were some great stories, and the time I spent there with my peers was engaging, thought-provoking, and enlightening.
Then we also heard about the great things Jesus did. He rallied people around him to help the sick and the dying, he gave food to the hungry, he fought oppression in the Roman empire, he told people to make peace instead of war, and he could even walk on water! He sounded like the greatest person ever, and he could do all of these things because he was the Son of God. Ordained by the great one to be a teacher to all of the other children of God out there. So the idea was to try to emulate Jesus, to lead a good, moral life, so that when you die, you’ll get to go to heaven forever. Sweet deal.
After Sunday school, we’d spend the next hour in church. We sat in rows with all the other folks, sang joyous songs (though a bit musty to me at the age), listened to the pastor give his sermon, and then throw a little money into the collection plate, which I was glad to do (even though it did not come from my pocket).
So it seemed to me that the crux of the whole religious experience, as I understood it, was listening to the sermon, which was often based on confusing biblical passages that I could not understand, and parsing out the meaning to extend it to one’s own life. So I studied up on the Bible, and tried by absolute best to focus and understand the sermons.
But one day during church, I heard something strange. The pastor talked about what it meant to be a christian, and what you had to do to get into heaven. He said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, that he died and rose again, and you shall be saved.” Hrmm, I thought. Really? Thoughts were running through my head, and I had questions. So I asked my parents.
“So, you just have to believe in Jesus and you go to heaven?”
“Yes, that’s right, son,” they said.
“So you don’t have to live a good life to go to heaven?”
“No, you still have to live a good life, of course!” they said.
“What if there was a guy who murdered a lot of people and he got caught by the police, and then he got executed but before he died, he apologized and asked Jesus to save him and really believed in him?”
They thought about it for a minute and said, “Yes, he’d go to heaven, so long as he really believed.”
I asked the pastor; he affirmed the same question. I was flabbergasted! Holy shit, talk about a free lunch! I was 10 years old, and I said “What the fuck!” for the first time. Since then, I found about 10,032 reasons to doubt the Bible, the clergy, the congregation, and hell, let’s throw in politicians, lawyers, actors, policemen, and news anchors while we’re at it.
I’m gonna spell this out reeeeaaaal slow: THAT. IS. NOT. JUSTICE. End of fucking story.
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4:45 am
Are you sure? Cause YOU are crackin’ me up!
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8:13 am
That looks like a *lot* of stretching to fit your already biased worldview…
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6:15 pm
*with = without.
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3:02 am
Are all atheists so dense? Did you not just read Pat’s comment up above?
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3:04 am
Wow, you’ve just embarrassed yourself there, Oppie. Google is your friend.
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11:24 pm
Wow great arguement. Love it when people start discussing topics they have no clue about.
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5:18 pm
In the beginning GOD created the heavens and the Earth. It was Christ of the New Testament who came to Earth so that we could be delivered from our sins.
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12:49 am
It’s a good one. I didn’t. I wasted 15 minutes writing something sincerely that… heh… is not parody.
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1:34 am
Did you know that mathematics are also a part of the evil propaganda of evolutionists? God said so, so it must be true!
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11:33 pm
Lets see. Gen. 1:27 “So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him, male and gemale he created them.” Gen. 1:31 ” God saw all that he had made, and it was very good.” So what you are saying that it took God millions of years to figure out how to create man in His own image. I can see where you are coming from, we as humans have finite minds and are unable to fully understand God, therefore we can’t even come close to comprehending making something as complex as the human body in a day let alone a million years.
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1:55 am
my
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humor
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god
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trolling
MUST
SLEEEEEEEEEEEEP!
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2:08 am
so… question… seeing as i am the inbred white trash hillbilly piece of retarded shit of the site
*proudly accepts this niche to find my place so i can be loved by something with a shred of hope…
ok so god created the earth and the heavens right… yes… and i assume by the heavens he means the universe…
but the universe is infinite and w/o a universe there is nothing…. so how the fuck is there a god…
and might i say HOORAY! FOR CARBON DATING!!!!!! if the earth was created 6000 years ago why are dinosaurs dated back millions of years ago…
i have an idea ill create my own god like you did…
i shall call him Tivo
and he created your god about 6001 years ago… and hes been around for 76000000000 years
but if my god didnt create your god as you might say then what the fuck was he doing for all of those years?
i suppose he was sitting on his thumbs trying to imitate the blue satan sceptor (as seen in the movie “Watchmen”) that he wanted shoved up his filthy devil hole.
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1:36 pm
So Christ isn’t God, or isn’t part of the same God who “created the heavens and the earth”? So…Christ is a separate deity, meaning that you admit Christians are polytheists?
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1:20 pm
One more point.
If you actually fully understood the theory (which, incedently, you don’t or you wouldn’t have got it so confused with so many other theories), you would know how much common sense it makes. It’s so so simple, yet how can’t you understand it’s workings.
And mutations happen all the time, thats why you get deformed births. Now and again they are advantagous, for example, the birth of genius’s etc. Now should an animal that is born a mutated “genius” be put in a position to compete with the other animals, who is likely to win? its a no brainer. Now, these evolved animals survive to bread on, creating a new form of animal, whereas the deformed mutated animals usually don’t survive hence don’t get the chance to reproduce.
Simple concept. Now, put that over 4 billion years, and you get a huge, huge, huge variation and diversity of life as this “slight” difference is aplified over such a huge length of time.
It’s so simple its stupid not to accept it. When you start getting it confused with the creation of the universe, and the creation of life, then you have problems. It’s not a theory of that. It’s a theory of diversity. And there’s plenty of evidence and proof of it.
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5:56 pm
o and how do you explain the thousands of species of coral that need specific ranges of warm temperature water, a complex ecosystem of plants and other animals and lots of light?
noah had all this on the ark?
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11:02 pm
I can easily answer that one. God was powerful enough to flood the Earth, and he was powerful enough to make provisions which Noah could not make. The point of the flood story is about obedience to God, and not questioning his plans. The details and technical work God sorted out. Hope that helps you understand. God bless.
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11:00 pm
Coral was fine during the Great Flood, silly. When the fiery judgment comes, however, that will be a different story.
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9:03 pm
coral needs a very specific range of warm temperatures, lots and lots of sunlight, etc.
it wouldnt have ‘just been fine’
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9:07 pm
and i kno the moral of the story, that is a different thing.
now we’re talking about the bible being perfectly consistent scientifically. And i kno in the bible there are miracles.
what im saying is it seems much more reasonable to assume the many things that are inconsistent that the bible doesn’t mention in the least aren’t there because the people of that time didn’t know about them.
like the size of the ark is what i’d expect someone to say given the author only knew about his immediate ecosystem.
god knows how many animals there are. why didn’t he give noah a thousand years to build a ark that would have been able to hold the millions of species of insects and animals that couldn’t in ANY way survive outside.
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1:25 am
God created the universe. He can see to his coral just fine. The moral of the story was being obedient to God’s will, to the best of your ability. He’ll take care of the rest.
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3:42 am
“Too bad the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil didn’t have an apple filled with the knowledge of English for you.”
Don’t be a doosh. No one deserves to be treated this way. Whether you’re a Christian or not it’s wrong.
You don’t have to be a Darwinian to believe in evolution. If you probe through my response again you see I refer to *evolution* by comparing it to things such as the progress of science, society, technology, the arts.. these are all forms of *evolution.* I know you find it difficult to accept, but this universe is evolving.
Some feel that we are simply biological computers that “Turn off” when we die. That we evolved from pond goop as a fluke of nature, and that there is no directionality in our existence (Darwinism). I believe we are evolving creatures, but I believe there IS directionality. Whether it’s a “divine plan” (simply meaning a set of instructions to which everything evolves towards, not necessarily involving a “God” being in it’s creation) or a responsive interaction with our environment, it’s very difficult to deny the fact that things around us are always evolving. I believe this is an underlying argument that divides people irrespective of their spiritual following.
If you start to look at the bigger picture you will see that Darwinism is *merely a way of explaining evolution.* I’m not saying that the universe started as nothing. I don’t believe in random mutations. I firmly believe there is a directionality in our development. I do not understand what it is but I’m exploring different ideas about it.
I do not believe in divine intervention by personified spirits that live in the sky. The Christian God created the universe, and requires that we follow a set of rules to qualify for a decent afterlife.
Treat others with respect and remember that we are your audience. You will die a lonely man if you only surround yourself with those that think as you think.
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9:09 pm
There was plenty of water for the Genesis Flood. Before the Great Flood there were no oceans like we have today, but, most of the water was under the ground instead. When the “fountains” (probably like Old Faithful at Yellowstone) shot out water at the start of the Great Flood, that caused huge caverns underground which eventually collapsed months later and the Great Flood waters ran off into the valleys (canyons, etc.), which is where we get our oceans and lakes today. Some canyons like the Grand Canyon escaped being permanently filled with water. The Bible says, the mountains rose and the valleys sank. When the valleys sank, that is when the oceans were made… and when the mountains rose, that’s when we got our Mt. Everest and other very high mountains.
So in closing, the only reason why there doesn’t seem to be enough water for a Great Flood is because all the water that was in the Great Flood is occupying huge canyons and valleys which we call oceans and lakes today, that didn’t exist 4400 yrs. ago. Most of the millions or billions of fossils in the ground today are a result of the Genesis Flood. That why we have fossils that show a sudden and quick burial, like fossilized closed clams, preserved soft bodied creatures, fish giving birth and in the process of eating, and also, polystrate trees that goes through many layers of strata, debunking the geologic column… after all, how many trees do you know that can continue to stand up for millions of years while dirt slowly piles up around it, without ever rotting away?? The geologic column doesn’t exist and neither does evolution.
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9:28 pm
Jesus is God. Just as John 1:1 said,”In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God”… and the verse 14 says,”and the Word was made flesh”.
Jesus is the 2nd person of the Trinity, known as God the Son while on Earth preparing to take our punishment upon Himself. In Isaiah 9:6, the Son is called Everlasting Father and Mighty God. In every sense of the word, Jesus and Jehovah/Yahweh are equal. Jesus used Himself as an example for praying to the Father and being obedient to the Father, even to the death of the cross, so at least when Jesus was on Earth, He was somewhat separate from God the Father, because He allowed Himself to be limited, being a true man, also. While Jesus was God in the flesh, He took on the frailty of man because He was tempted in all manner, just as all mankind is. He had to eat, sleep, and fought off sin of every kind… and He was still sinless to the end.
With our finite minds, we will never understand fully how God works, but God says in His Word, when we reach the other side of death’s door, we will know Him just as we are known. That means we’ll know Him perfectly after this life is over.
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