Foreign Sex Radicals Invade Nastiest State in US to Keep 16yo Strippers and Hookers Legal
Right now, and I mean RIGHT NOW! prostitutes and underage strippers are LEGALLY selling themselves in one corner of this incredible country of ours. That’s right, one wonderful little state
has gone out of its way to protect the rights of hookers to spread their legs and disease. This place is also committed to letting our little girls dance naked around brass poles
while vile old men grope them with grubby dollar bills. All this is done with full protection of the police and the democrats
in the state legistlature.
Where are these laws of freedom and self-expression on the books in the age of Obama? This sanctuary of scum is called the State of Rhode Island. The place that practically proclaims at its borders, “Welcome you hedonistic sex workers and pole dancers, and men and boys too! Now drop your undies and get to work!”
Rhode Island. Most of us couldn’t find this sneaky little street walker on a roadmap. Here’s a hint: it hangs like the diseased genatalia of New England. And sick it is, my friends! The veiny little
pouch of debauchery and radicalism is threatening to infect America with its sinful liberal revision of what it means to be
free. Prostitution and pole dancing are reputedly one of the few growth
industries in this moribund mansack (no pun intended). What’s worse, when a handful of local Christians suggested outlawing these sins against human
decency, the greatest pervs in the world jumped on top of
themselves to defend it.
But one local woman scholar is not taking this assault lying down. Donna Hughes, of Citizens Against Trafficking, has
thoroughly explored these supporters and her discoveries are disturbing. In her latest report, she found that the 50 leaders of this group, all of whom claim to
be college professors, are, “sex radicals, meaning they oppose any limits on any sexual behavior as long as it has the superficial appearance of being consensual.” The leader of this group, George
Washington University Professor Ronald Weitzer has said, “Many
prostituted women and girls experience ‘moderate-to-high job satisfaction’ and think they provide a valuable service.” If it feels good, do it?
Many other of these borderline “sex offenders,” as Hughes calls them, are from the Netherlands and New Zealand, where kiddie porn and sadomashistic sex are the norm. During her research the vivacious Woods discovered this group is composed of a self-proclaimed exhibitionist who has stated “I think that sex with animals can be consensual!”, child nudism advocates, $pread Magazine models, an S&M fetishist with an academic position and the list goes on and on. It is an, “international campaign orchestrated using Internet technologies, such as blogs, Twitter, and Facebook.” The internet strikes again!
With the fortitude of a man, Hughes has delved deep into the heart of this sex-crazed world. Along with Club Fantasies, Club Desire,Airport Anal, Hooters, Steam Alley, Tazza’s Topless, Rough Sex Repertory Company, Foxy Lady, Satin Doll Gentlemen’s Club, Cheater’s, the Sportsman’s Inn, Barrington “Country Club,” Priests & Pros, Trixx – All Male Revue and Club Balloons.
The painted ladies of RI are hoping for a happy ending from the legislature on this one, and surely the legislatures are looking for the same in return. But with the good people of Citizens Against Trafficking, there is a ray of hope in this, the Nastiest State in the Union.
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6:25 am
You know what’s funny? Whenever we drive down south, we only start seeing billboards for strip clubs once we hit North Carolina. We continue to see them through South Carolina and Georgia. Some of the most religious states in the country have the most strip clubs. I’ve never seen signs for strip clubs farther north than North Carolina.
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6:29 am
What a coincidence. North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia have some of the largest urban minority centers. Let’s see how many strip clubs there are in Alaska, Wyoming, Montana or Wisconsin…in non-urban minority areas?
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6:42 am
I’m sure there are plenty in those states, you racist.
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6:49 am
How is stating fact being a racist? You know urban centers and decadent downtown slums have a bunch of nasty clubs. Why deny it?
Please go to a nice, gated community or a good rural area with several local churches and see how many strip joints you find there? It will be rare, and if they are allowed, you can bet if you research it the community is fighting to get them to leave.
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9:38 am
Ugh, gated communities make me sick. It’s like saying “we’re too good to associate with the rest of the world. If you can’t afford a pool, you can just get out.” It’s one thing to live in a nice quiet little town, it’s quite another thing to lock other human beings out.
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10:48 am
Yes, its a fact. There are practically no strip clubs in Utah (and I don’t believe Mormonism is godly, but they do live by there own version of faith) and none in Minnasota, Wisconsin, Utah, Idaho, Wyoming, etc. And those places don’t have any real minorities to speak of. That’s not a coincidence!!!! As for Rhode Island, there Catholics and maybe thats why they have strip clubs. Other Christian faiths can be calmer and don’t need all the pomp, and I want to love the Catholics I really do but you have to admit they are a little gaudy and overdressed and there services are indulgent in a way that doesnt seem all too Christian. But they are better than the Mormons in my book. I dont think a man should have more than one wife. But anyway, yes its true the minorities love hookers and sex clubs. You always find them close to ghettos and big cities while white suburbs and gated communties have none. Sorry Claire, but its the facts!
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9:41 am
I’m from New Jerey, way north of the Carolinas. I’ve traveled all the surrounding states and can say without a doubt, we are surrounded with adult shops, strip clubs, peep shows, prostitutes and then some. And yes, right by gated communities too. So get your head out of the sand and wise up. Poorer communities are locked into this type of activities. These businesses, and that is exactly all they are, are the result of a business opportunity being made available. So, as long as there is a demand, and politicians who need to raise taxes and revenues, there will always be sex for sale.
As to the age factor of 16 year olds being a part of this? I am absolutely against it. Most consider 18 to be an acceptable legal adult age. As a parent, I would not want my child to ever do this. Consenting, by all parties of legal age, is the accepted responsibility of the adults involved. Outsiders and zealots should worry more about their own personal decisions.
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9:47 am
Yes, but it’s not legal in New Jersey! It’s not legal anywhere except parts of Nevada. This is just nasty and wrong. And to think the democrats and Obama support this indecency, no wonder they cant get there health plan sneaked into our lives.
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9:51 am
Correction to my previous comment:
Poorer communities are locked into this type of activities. *** should have said the “Poorer communities ARE NOT locked into this type of activities.
As the rest of the comment clearly conveys, any and all communities are satuated. Until, there is no reason for people to earn money to pay for bills, there will always be a business opportunity for someone to sell sex. Until, everyone looks to help each other, with more than preaching and judging, there will always be a market for someone to sell sex.
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7:11 pm
Strip clubs and gambling often attract a poor demographic. Particularly people from broken homes who lack a solid upbringing. It’s part of society’s poverty curse.
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10:05 pm
Adam, it seems like you made some activist feminist a little pissy this evening! Laugh out Loud! (Half way down she quotes you):
ChristWire.org Teabags Against Rhode Island “Pornstitution”
http://www.ajkenn-rgclub.com/SDChronBlog2dot5/2009/08/17/hughes-ally-is-xian-wingnut-fundie-site/
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12:40 am
Kennerson is a he, not a she. Man y’all are funny.
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4:59 pm
I though gay people liked to be called She.
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6:01 pm
I thought brain-washed, fanatical women preferred to be associated as property of their husbands! Or are you a lonely old spinster over the age of 18?
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2:24 am
Wow, she is really angry and I find it ironic that she does not support Hughes in efforts to stop this exploitation of women.
Then she has the nerve to twist facts to make it look like I’m bad for pointing out that ethnic minorities tend to drive prostitution/pornography market. Just look at the problem Africa is having with birth control and AIDS; I hope in time we can teach those people abstinence and here put a stop to the perverse sex industry.
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1:21 pm
Why bring race into the discussion at all? The fact that you would do so, then defend those remarks paints you as an intolerant bigot. Back up your contention with some facts. Your “BECAUSE I SAY SO” line of reasoning is remarkably unconvincing.
Go ahead. Get that white sheet out of your closet. You know you are just dying to put it on again in public.
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9:18 pm
I’ve got one word for you.
ACORN
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9:37 am
I cannot believe that prostitution is legal in this day in age! And letting little girls be strippers! This is horrendous and digusting! It’s a sign of end time for sure. What kind of grotesque people are these that live here? I will never step foot in a state that pushes women into this life of sin. Even Nevada has standards.
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9:58 am
No doubt prostitution and stripping are wrong but nobody is forcing women into them.
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10:16 am
Every year 500,000 to 800,000 women are forced into sex trade and sex slavery. It is a crime that MUST STOP.
Many women who perform as adult entertainers are trapped. Sometimes it is due to lifestyle addiction such as drugs or in desperate need of money. Sometimes it is habit.
Many young women were introduced to the lifestyle as teenaged children, or even younger, and know no other way to live. The spread of strip clubs is degrading to women, and as Dennis pointed out, spreads a new type of business market.
It will give incentive for more men, or sadly even women, go out and acquire ‘fresh talent’. The acquisition of said talent is what directly contributes to sex slave black market, and it’s dangerous.
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10:41 am
From the article: Professor Ronald Weitzer has said, “Many prostituted women and girls experience ‘moderate-to-high job satisfaction’ and think they provide a valuable service.”
Liberal minds think alike Claire! Maybe you can got to his school and study that junk teaching. Imagine some mother is paying for her daughter to study with a pervert like that!!!!
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6:04 pm
Every year 2.5 million people are tortured and murdered by fundamentalist christian zealots! Arguing is easy when you don’t let facts get in the way, huh Amber?
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6:33 pm
SirPuck, where did you google this “fact”? There is no basis in truth on this, Where exatly are Christians killing people? What about abortion where NON-cChrirstians are murdering babies by the millions all over the world every year. ANd the muslims who are practically frothing at the mouth each day unless they kill a woman or plant a terrorist bomb. So don’t throw your nonsense around. ‘
And the personal attacks on me are wrong headed. I am a mother, a Christian and an adult. Grow up!
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11:32 am
“and none in Minnasota, Wisconsin, Utah, Idaho, Wyoming, etc.”
There’s also hardly anyone who lives in those states, especially Wyoming.
Wyoming (one of the biggest states): 532,668
Rhode Island (the smallest state): 1,050,788
“But anyway, yes its true the minorities love hookers and sex clubs.”
So do wealthy, white businessmen.
“Sorry Claire, but its the facts!”
It’s also a fact that you’re illiterate.
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12:14 pm
Claire! Are you growing senile? That was not a comeback at all. Those numbers dont mean anything. And how do you know wealthy white businessman like hookers? Youve been watching too much CSI. I believe it, but that’s not saying their christians. Plently of white rich men are Jews, faithless bankers, atheists, homosexuals, etc. Many of us good Christians live humbly (by choice).
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9:13 pm
What’s wrong with the select group of people you described? Why can’t people just be people.
I know “white wealthy businessmen” who visit strip clubs who ARE in fact Christian. I also know white wealthy businessmen who visit strip clubs who AREN’T Christian. Religion doesn’t have anything to do with it.
I know many kind, generous people who are not Christian. Does that make them bad people?
I would love to live with you backwoods people for a whole week just to see what it’s like. I probably wouldn’t believe what I see.
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9:46 pm
Dave, first of all this is a site about Christianity and in the good book it states very clearly that the devotion and worship of God and Jesus is vital to being admitted to Heaven, so yes it does matter if you’re Christian. And it matters (in a bad way) if you’re one of those other types of people. They are not necessarily “bad people” but they won’t make it into heaven when their time comes, they will end up someplace far less satisfying.
I greatly doubt that many true and faithful Christians are going to sex clubs, as you suggest. You seem to know a lot about them and their patrons, don’t you? When you’re hanging out at these spots do you ask many of the men you meet about their religion?
One other important point, many people claim to be Christian and wear crosses but truly having a deep and devoted faith is quite different and quite intense. I doubt these fakers you meet when you’re stuffing bills in young girl’s bras are the most reliable people.
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8:30 am
Do you believe everything you read in a book? Heaven does not exist. Hell does not exist. When you die, you’re dead. Souls do not exist.
Organized religion is for the weak minded. It’s as corrupt as the US government.
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10:22 am
Yeah, Governor Mark Sanford is a great represenative of the Christ. He re-took his marriage vows every year and he was cheating on his wife with every warm body he could find. To think that only non-christians go to these sex clubs is laughable, especially since RI is 84% Catholic. The rest is homosexual.
I think what you will find out when this is all over is that the people who really want to put the prostitutes in prison for this are either lesbians who are against heterosexual sex, because lets face it they believe all hetero sex is rape and are even against marriage, and the others are married to men who go to these places so they want to shut them down.
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12:16 pm
That second photo of a man looking up at a woman’s privates is awful. He is somebody’s son and another’s husband. Plus, those are some meaty legs. Could it be a transvestitie?
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12:52 pm
Even as a non Christian I find the idea of 16year olds being allowed to dance naked in a strip club pretty disgusting. They say it’s a loophole in the law, but why haven’t they fixed it? I feel very sorry for these girls.
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2:19 pm
As an important Republican, I want to add my two cents. I think teen girls having paid sex is an important aspect of any future health care reform. But to make my vision come true, we have to update our laws as Rhode Island has so thoughtfully done. As described recently on MSNBC:
“Newt Gingrich wants health reform in this country and he knows how to get it. Pay for it. Not pay for doctors or medicine or hospital, but pay people to do healthy things. Pay poor people money not to smoke, pay teenage girls money not to get pregnant. Wait a minute. Paying teenage girls to not get pregnant while having sex. There is a flaw in that logic somewhere. What could it be? Oh yes, legally, that would be government-sponsored child prostitution.”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29676575/
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5:53 pm
Newt Gingrich, you suck ass. You sound like Kermit the Frog.
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2:07 pm
This is just sick. I can’t believe this is real, it reads like satire.
“Letter from Norma Jean Almodovar to RI Lawmakers 15 August 2009
Honorable Representatives and Senators,
As a retired sex worker and a long time sex worker rights activist, I’d like to address the Rhode Island bill which proposes to criminalize indoor prostitution. I am hoping that reason will prevail and you will not be pressured into signing a piece of legislation which will so negatively impact the lives of sex workers in your state. While I am a resident of California and not Rhode Island, I have been fighting against laws which criminalize consenting adult prostitution- wherever those laws exist- since I left my job with the Los Angeles Police Department in 1982.
I worked for ten years as a civilian traffic officer with the LAPD, primarily at night, and I witnessed first hand what happens when laws are arbitrarily enforced and used against women to extort sex, money and information. I left the police department because corruption on all levels was so pervasive, and I became a call girl and a sex worker rights activist so that I could expose the rampant abuses perpetrated by the cops against prostitutes and others. Simply put, bad laws make bad police officers.
I experienced being arrested and incarcerated and I have to tell you, it is far more traumatic than anything a prostitute might encounter at the hands of her clients. Being arrested has quite the opposite effect of being ‘rescued.’ It destroys your life. If indeed prostitutes suffer from PTSD as many anti- prostitution activists allege, this may be a direct result of being arrested and incarcerated, rather than giving pleasure for pay.”
from:
http://sexinthepublicsquare.org/
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3:29 pm
Golly, I agree with Norma Jean 500%!!!!!!!! Finally a liberal democrat who shares my dreams and goals!!!
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4:12 pm
Shut up, Janice. You suck at trolling.
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7:09 pm
Claire, you are incredibly thoughtless. You add no insights on this blog, but go out of your way to shout at people. It’s immature and counterproductive. You might disagree on the prostitution issue, but this is not an honest way to engage in a debate on the subject. Personal attacks really have no place here.
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7:34 pm
It’s interesting that the liberal employ such nonsensical wordplay to convince us that prostitution should be protected because it will save women from being hurt. What about criminalizing it in every single and getting local democrat state governments to actually care about enforcing the laws? The truth is that unionized police forces in many places look the other way when it comes to prostitution and drugs. They isolate the law-breakers to one part of town and let them do what they do, periodically stopping by for a little bribe. I’m not indicting the police, but this has happened with many urban police forces and it absolutely contributes to the prostitution problem.
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5:45 pm
I have to give my thanks to the Christwire Tech Department for fixing all the broken links I put in this article. Your work is surely blessed. Thank you, too, Jack Gould.
I am also very impressed and gratified by the comments here. This is a very unusual story and I encourage you to email or call the local officials, news editors and others in support of banning underage strippers and indoor prostitution.
Please, click on my links to learn more of this frightening situation and get the word out!
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7:07 pm
Here is some more information from Donna Hughes that I find incredibly disturbing. I cannot believe we the taxpayers fund these sort of people teaching in our schools!
Comments from the 50 “professors”:
“I do think that sex with animals can be consensual … I do not think that people who enjoy this should be stigmatized .. [these] kinds of sex acts … can be done in ways that are relatively safe. I don’t think the desire to do them is bad or wrong.”
As moderator of Sex in the Public Square, Wood introduced a discussion of “Do kids need protection from sex or from sexually explicit material?” One of the discussants complains: “[I]f you’re a parent, how can you raise sex-positive kids? … Even if you ethically believe that your kids are ready to handle the details of mom and dad’s BDSM [Bondage, Discipline, Sadism and Masochism] sex play, there’s only so much that you can tell them before it triggers alarms at Child Protective Services and your kids wind up in a foster home and you wind up in police custody.”
For years, Wood has struggled with feeling “invisible.” During her sabbatical leave she started to feel “more like herself, more free,” which led her to start acting out her latent exhibitionism. “During my sabbatical I had some … exhibitionistic urges that I allowed myself to explore.”4 Earlier this summer, she stripped on a dock and swam naked in the Mystic River, within sight of a restaurant and boats passing by. She said she wanted to declare her independence from society’s rules, but she also wondered if anyone saw her and might complain.5 The exhibitionist’s intention is to shock and force unsuspecting people to view their nudity. Citizens Against Trafficking wonders if the administration at SUNY is aware that one of their faculty members is crossing the line into sex offender territory.
She believes that requirements for coverings while swimming are harmful to children’s healthy development because they teach “shame” of the body.
In her blog, Wood says she practices BDSM (Bondage, Discipline, Sadism and Masochism).
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7:39 pm
I don’t think anyone can refute that these people Dr Hughes has studied represent a serious hazard to American society. I also believe that many of their problems sound right off the bat like mental health disorders. Exhibitionism is not a natural human need in adult society. With that in consideration, why would you believe people with mental defects as they push a radical political and moral agenda?
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7:16 pm
Here are some genuinely frightening facts from Donna Hughes about this group of “professors” who are trying to keep prostitution legal. It is shocking to me that the US taxpayer pays the wages for these criminals and allows them to be in contact with children.
“I do think that sex with animals can be consensual … I do not think that people who enjoy this should be stigmatized .. [these] kinds of sex acts … can be done in ways that are relatively safe. I don’t think the desire to do them is bad or wrong.”
As moderator of Sex in the Public Square, Wood introduced a discussion of “Do kids need protection from sex or from sexually explicit material?” One of the discussants complains: “[I]f you’re a parent, how can you raise sex-positive kids? … Even if you ethically believe that your kids are ready to handle the details of mom and dad’s BDSM [Bondage, Discipline, Sadism and Masochism] sex play, there’s only so much that you can tell them before it triggers alarms at Child Protective Services and your kids wind up in a foster home and you wind up in police custody.”
For years, Wood has struggled with feeling “invisible.” During her sabbatical leave she started to feel “more like herself, more free,” which led her to start acting out her latent exhibitionism. “During my sabbatical I had some … exhibitionistic urges that I allowed myself to explore.”4 Earlier this summer, she stripped on a dock and swam naked in the Mystic River, within sight of a restaurant and boats passing by. She said she wanted to declare her independence from society’s rules, but she also wondered if anyone saw her and might complain. The exhibitionist’s intention is to shock and force unsuspecting people to view their nudity. Citizens Against Trafficking wonders if the administration at SUNY is aware that one of their faculty members is crossing the line into sex offender territory.
She believes that requirements for coverings while swimming are harmful to children’s healthy development because they teach “shame” of the body.
In her blog, Wood says she practices BDSM (Bondage, Discipline, Sadism and Masochism).
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7:19 pm
Here are some genuinely frightening facts from Donna Hughes about this group of “professors” who are trying to keep prostitution legal. It is shocking to me that the US taxpayer pays the wages for these criminals and allows them to be in contact with children.
“I do think that sex with animals can be consensual. I do not think that people who enjoy this should be stigmatized [these] kinds of sex acts can be done in ways that are relatively safe. I don’t think the desire to do them is bad or wrong.”
As moderator of Sex in the Public Square, Wood introduced a discussion of “Do kids need protection from sex or from sexually explicit material?” One of the discussants complains: “[I]f you’re a parent, how can you raise sex-positive kids? Even if you ethically believe that your kids are ready to handle the details of mom and dad’s BDSM [Bondage, Discipline, Sadism and Masochism] sex play, there’s only so much that you can tell them before it triggers alarms at Child Protective Services and your kids wind up in a foster home and you wind up in police custody.”
For years, Wood has struggled with feeling “invisible.” During her sabbatical leave she started to feel “more like herself, more free,” which led her to start acting out her latent exhibitionism. “During my sabbatical I had some exhibitionistic urges that I allowed myself to explore.”4 Earlier this summer, she stripped on a dock and swam naked in the Mystic River, within sight of a restaurant and boats passing by. She said she wanted to declare her independence from society’s rules, but she also wondered if anyone saw her and might complain. The exhibitionist’s intention is to shock and force unsuspecting people to view their nudity. Citizens Against Trafficking wonders if the administration at SUNY is aware that one of their faculty members is crossing the line into sex offender territory.
She believes that requirements for coverings while swimming are harmful to children’s healthy development because they teach “shame” of the body.
In her blog, Wood says she practices BDSM (Bondage, Discipline, Sadism and Masochism).
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7:23 pm
Here are some genuinely frightening facts from Donna Hughes about this group of “professors” who are trying to keep prostitution legal. It is shocking to me that the US taxpayer pays the wages for these criminals and allows them to be in contact with children.
“I do think that sex with animals can be consensual. I do not think that people who enjoy this should be stigmatized [these] kinds of sex acts can be done in ways that are relatively safe. I don’t think the desire to do them is bad or wrong.”
For years, Wood has struggled with feeling “invisible.” During her sabbatical leave she started to feel “more like herself, more free,” which led her to start acting out her latent exhibitionism. “During my sabbatical I had some exhibitionistic urges that I allowed myself to explore.”4 Earlier this summer, she stripped on a dock and swam naked in the Mystic River, within sight of a restaurant and boats passing by. She said she wanted to declare her independence from society’s rules, but she also wondered if anyone saw her and might complain. The exhibitionist’s intention is to shock and force unsuspecting people to view their nudity. Citizens Against Trafficking wonders if the administration at SUNY is aware that one of their faculty members is crossing the line into sex offender territory.
She believes that requirements for coverings while swimming are harmful to children’s healthy development because they teach “shame” of the body.
In her blog, Wood says she practices BDSM (Bondage, Discipline, Sadism and Masochism).
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7:59 pm
Billings’ article is FULL of mistakes and distortions. The letter signed by 50 academics says absolutely NOTHING about underage strippers, and it is scandalous that Billings would twist the letter in this way to get maximum shock value. Second, the 50 signers are not “sex radicals” as Donna Hughes claims, whatever that means. That is Hughes term, meant to shock as well.
The letter was signed by a few academics outside the U.S., but only a few. It is a distortion to claim, as Billings does, that “foreign” scholars are behind the letter. Almost all of the signers are in American academic institutions.
Billings tries to make fun of people who conduct research on the sex industry. He apparently does not know that this is an economic sector that has long been researched by scholars. Billings may not like some of the findings of these studies, but he is basing his claims on emotion, rather than scientific inquiry. He is entitled to his opinion, but its only one opinion — and has nothing to do with scientific research on the sex industry.
The memo written by Donna Hughes, that quotes Prof. Weitzer, is NOT a quote from Weitzer at all, but instead Hughes OWN words. The letter that Weitzer and other academics signed says the following:
“”Many indoor workers made conscious decisions to enter the trade, and several studies also find that indoor workers have moderate-to-high job satisfaction and believe they provide a valuable service. One Australian study found that half of the call girls and brothel workers interviewed felt that their work was a “major source of satisfaction” in their lives, and more than two-thirds said they would “definitely choose this work” if they had it to do over again. (This study was conducted in the state of Queensland, where indoor prostitution has been decriminalized.) In other studies, a significant percentage of escorts report an increase in self-esteem after they began selling sex. These findings may surprise some people, because they are not the kinds of stories reported in the media, which usually focus instead on instances of abuse and exploitation.”"
Note that the letter refers only to INDOOR workers, not street prostitutes. And, again, it says nothing about underage strippers. That is a red herring fabricated by Hughes and Billings.
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8:39 pm
Steven, your bias in this case is very evident. I have read this group called “sex radicals” in many place and the details of their activities (as I have quoted above from Donna’s website) should send a chill down the spine of any parent. As for the people who profit from this perversion in the name of academics, it’s unjust and offensive. Public money should not be supporting this. Schools should not be hiring people who’s job it is to chase down hookers. It’s that clear.
As for this Prof. Wexler and his research into how happy the happy hookers are, I would hate to be his wife. I imagine she has many sleepless nights while her husband is in close quarters with these grotesque people. His interest in that lifestyle is just shameful. How could you look your children in the eye and tell them you devoted your life to exploring prostitutes?
And the rest of your comments are just nitpicking. The real issue here is that Rhode Island has a vital problem and you people are only making it worse. Your family must be proud.
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8:11 pm
I don’t think Jesus would want us to put these victims in prison. The reason the loophole in the stripper law was even found was because a 16 y/o was found as a trafficking victim and you know what the cops did to her? They put her in prison. Beside that there is a big difference between a 45 year old Asian giving a hand job and a 16 year old dancing in a strip club.
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8:31 pm
So Happy, you’re calling the prostitutes “victims”? Are they victims when they bring all that money to the bank, or spend it on tight skirts and bright lipstick? What other kinds of criminals are “victims” in your book? The crack dealer who sells to teens? The online predator who lures boys into his dirty van? You “sex liberators” make me sick. You had your moment in the 1960s but that was then, this is now.
There is no way you can defend selling sex as a good thing. And the women who engage in this criminal activity know exactly what they’re getting into. Jesus would most certainly not approve of such things.
And if it is the Asians doing this, I suspect many of them are illegal. Which is just wrong that they come to this country and instead of contributing to society, they set out to destroy it and marriage in the process. I do not care what degree they go with the sex, it’s all digusting and a public health hazard as sex can often be.
Honestly, you don’t know anything about this subject. Your logic is immature and shallow.
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10:13 pm
So you think it was ok to send a 16 year old who was a victim of trafficking to prison? If there is any radicals here I would think it is you. Where is your compassion? That 16 year old is a child who needs mental health help not to be put behind bars. On another note I do find it interesting that all these religious groups are rallying behind arresting women, was it not Jesus that said about Mary Magdeline He who is with out sin cast the first stone.
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10:36 pm
plenty of courts these days charge those under 21 as adults. I dont know the case of this girl, but if she was innocent, the courts definately would have protected her. And people like me have plenty of compassion, but sometimes you need a firm hand to guide people. And why coddle criminals? They will just take advantage. In fact, I suspect these criminals are taking advantage of you people, getting some rich liberals to scream “civil rights!” when really there crack addicts and homeless and alcoholics. What would those sort of people want to do with you otherwise and why do you feel so desperate to associate yourselfs with them? Is life that dull for you or are you looking for material for your next book and all the money that comes from that? These teachers involved in this definitely make a living from publishing and teaching courses, they are not innocent themselves.
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7:26 pm
“And people like me have plenty of compassion, but sometimes you need a firm hand to guide people.”
Oh yeah, this is really compassionate:
“You are a nasty little man who probably has a very sad mother who cries every night while you dance topless in homosexual clubs with old debauched men.”
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10:19 pm
LeAnne,
If you have not read the full letter by the academics, you are in no position to comment on it. Your comments are misguided because they are totally based on what Hughes and Billings say, which is complete distortion and NOT what the academics wrote. The academics don’t have some perverse “interest in the lifestyle” of prostitutes, and they are not “profiting” from it. You are totally uninformed. Read the full letter by the academics before jumping to conclusions.
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10:31 pm
Why any group of teachers would stand up and said, “We support Prostitutes” is beyond me. And its wrong. How hard is that to understand Steve? These things are crimes all over the world for reason. Rode Island does not have some special exemtion from reality, no matter what you ivory tower creeps think. This is America in the age of law and reason. We are a beacon to the world of what democracy and moral certainty can be. Spreading prostitution around does not help anyone. In fact, it is a major source of deadly disease, particularly when you factor in the gay people where sex and money are very common.
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1:26 am
Child porn has never been and never will be legal in New Zealand! Normally a proper investigative journalist would fact check before making up blatant lies
you are a disgrace to your profession
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1:31 am
also, decriminalizing prostitution is the only way to make a job safer that ppl are going to do anyway..it’s the oldest profession in the world, it’s not going to go away
the small-mindness of some ppl astounds me
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4:42 pm
Oh liar, New Zealand has a very scary international reputation for its illicit sex trade. Its proximity to the Philipines is a fact. Also, it’s well known that most of the hookers from southeast Asia pass through this country’s ports on there way to America west coast, or Canada and even the Soviet Union. As for the habits of your New Zealanders, here’s just a taste:
Two New Zealand men fined for smuggling ‘extreme’ child porn
http://www.3news.co.nz/Two-men-fined-for-smuggling-extreme-child-porn-/tabid/423/articleID/115173/cat/415/Default.aspx
Child-porn computer genius’ eight years on run in New Zealand
http://www.theage.com.au/national/childporn-computer-genius-eight-years-on-run-20090519-be6q.html
NZ internet users take issue with child-porn filter
http://www.technewsreview.com.au/article.php?article=8686
New Zealand Arrests 41 in Child Porn Inquiry
http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/5167/new-zealand-arrests-41-in-child-porn-inquiry.html
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4:51 pm
Oh sin, New Zealand has a terrible international reputation for it’s illicit sex trade. The proximity to the Philipines is fact. Also, it is well known that most of the prostitutes from southeast Asia pass through this country’s ports on there way to America’s west coast, or Canada and even Russia. As for the habits of your New Zealanders, here’s just a taste:
SOME RECENT NEW ZEALAND HEADLINES:
Two New Zealand men fined for smuggling ‘extreme’ child porn
New Zealand Arrests 41 in Child Porn Inquiry
Child-porn computer genius’ eight years on run in New Zealand
NZ internet users take issue with child-porn filter
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5:58 pm
JaniceFun,
I’m curious. What map are you looking at that places NZ in proximity to the Philippines? It’s roughly the same distance as Atlanta to Santiago, Chile,..
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6:41 pm
Australia and New Zealand are the two closest English speaking Christian countries near Asia and the Philipines has a notorious sex industry where little village girls sell themselves and sex tourists. From an agency fighting the explotation of woman:
“Trafficking Routes
New Zealand is a destination country for trafficking in women and children. Asian women and girls, especially from Thailand, are brought to New Zealand for the sex industry.
Forms of Trafficking
Research and anecdotal evidence suggest that child prostitution is a growing problem in New Zealand. Children working in prostitution do not come from any one particular background; likewise, they enter prostitution for a variety of reasons, including homelessness, family breakdown, peer pressure, sexual abuse, poverty, drug and alcohol abuse, educational underachievement, or unemployment. Christchurch has the reputation for being New Zealand’s child sex capital. An estimated 60 minors in prostitution work there, and groups of up to 20 children, some as young as 12 years of age, walk the streets of the city every evening. Many suffer from alcohol and drug addictions, and a large percentage have a background of sexual abuse. Though exact figures are unknown, proportionally more Maori children are likely involved in prostitution because the risk factors that give rise to child prostitution are more common among Maori families (i.e., family breakdown, drug and alcohol abuse, poverty). Maori children and families are also affected by the breakdown of traditional support structures of their society and cultural alienation associated with historical injustice.
From http://www.protectionproject.org/human_rights_reports/
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7:48 pm
Janice,
How do you arrive at a conclusion that arresting the trafficking victims is going to help them? Because supporting criminalization in Rhode Island does just that. Regardless of how one feels about the existence of prostitution, it is hard to arrive at a logical conclusion that a trafficking victim coerced into prostitution is going to have more legal protection by being arrested, having an arrest record, having a criminal record or having the fear of those as part of going to the police for assistance.
If you are opposed to prostitution and feel that criminalizing it will eradicate it. Then you are. But to try to advance logic that says victims of coerced prostitution are rescued from it by arrest and criminal record is illogical.
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11:17 pm
If they are in prison they can’t be exploited or sell their bodies, and make proper arrangements to get away from evil miscreants who have trapped them. Think of the time in prison as a new system to free the women who are victims, and giving them protection under law. I think it’s a great idea.
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11:25 pm
In the old days they didn’t try and reform them in prison but people dont change like that! Prison should be punishment, not all about clean sheets and pychological therapy talking about there inner feelings. We used to have road gangs in this country so crooks knew that they would have to do something unpleasant if they want to jail and it should be feared. Its called detterant. If you’re not afraid of prison or getting caught whats to stop everyone from robbing a bank and smoking drugs today?
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12:34 am
Ah yes, because no one ever gets abused or expolited in prison!
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1:04 am
Maybe instead of prisons we can bulld little farmhouses and tell the rapists and murderers to tuck themselves in at night and boil there own coffee in the morning. I am being sarcastic, you idiot. How do the victims of these criminals feel? Do you think they are happy? Do you think they can find maybe a little peace noing the crook in behind bars and living a hard life there? I do of course. And why spend money on prisons when we can even afford decent property tax breaks or new highways? your priorities are pretty messed up there Ren.
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10:35 am
Janice,
You are advocating for Donna Hughes position. Which puts the trafficking victims, which you discussed in reference to New Zealand, in prison. What is the thought process behind that?
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11:14 am
Cupcake, you are the idiot. The point is, women involved in the sex industry really do not deserve the same punishment as violent criminals such as rapists and murderers. Rapists and murderers should absolutely be locked up. Women (and girls) especially those whom have been forced into prostitution or trafficked into it do not deserve to go to prison LIKE rapists and murders do. It does not help them in any way. You are the one with the messed up priorities if you think that non-violent criminals deserve to be locked up with and treated like violent ones.
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7:02 pm
Thats for the courts and the government to decide what punishment these illegal girls get. It’s in the law so the courts should punish them as they should. We just cant let a bunch of sexaully excited and morally corrupt professors invade a little state and tell them to set them free! You people have to take a long hard look at yourselves and ask why you are so obsessed with hookers. I think it show deep mental problems. Maybe you should care a little more about AMERICA and OUR ECONOMY.
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1:43 am
Just like it is for the courts and whatnot in RI to decide what they want going on in their state, right? Sure, they can listen to other people, get some ideas from both sides, but they get to decide.
And I find your thoughts on our obsession with hookers to be amusing, as you are, what, top commentor on this post? Pot, kettle, looking good in black I see! And cupcake, you calling anyone else mental is priceless.
And what in the hell ever gave you the idea that I don’t care about the economy or America?
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7:29 pm
Fae, you’re putting undue focus on New Zealand to try and refute the totality of my argument. A greater concern to me is the professors from the Netherlands, which has societally accepted legal prostitution. The women in Amsterdam who sell themselves in red windows is one of the huge tourist attractions there and the Dutch will never back down from supporting it. The drug “coffee houses” are equally dangerous and while some laws prohibit them in the Netherlands, there are in fact no enforced. Child pornography and incest are two well known issues in this country and I can’t even begin to cite all the reports, investigations and studies that have been done on this.
Now, as for New Zealand, I was quoting Professor Hughes’ very important work. I have not had much exposure to this country and I do feel there plights and problems do go unreported in this part of the world, just as we don’t pay that much attention to the scandals of Australia. But there are plenty and a few seconds with a search engine, as our friend in faith Janice has discovered, will reveal a great deal to support this. I have also heard much about the Australia-New Zealand-Thailand sex trade and sex tourism connection. It’s frustrating that not more first rate journalism hasn’t been done on this, but maybe the people down there don’t want the word to get out.
I hope this helps answer your questions!
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3:07 am
Well, I am gratified that so many of you have been inspired and disgusted by this article. I do take great offense at the sex workers who posted here, selling their lies with as much discretion as they sell their bodies. And yes, Steve and Happy and Claire and Dave and Fay, many of these points are debatable and there is still research and investigation that needs to be done. But one thing is crystal clear, this issue is not going away. The liberal forces who put physical pleasure and crime above health and moral and the protection of our children, these people are strong and organized. And Rhode Island is a special battleground. But I have faith the good will win out.
PS. I am working on another piece on Rhode Island’s sordid underbelly. This issue is just the tip of the iceberg.
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6:51 am
I’ve noticed that ever since Barry Hussein Soetoro became president, these liberal dogs have become more and more emboldened. They think they can just steal money from real working Americans and then pay for their foul atheist daughters to get abortions and support their drug habits. They think that good Christian Americans who follow our nation’s Godly heritage and Constitution, our pledge of allegiance to be one nation under God, have no right to demand the sanctity of marriage.
Such intolerance is the favorite food of heathens and I am tired of these laws designed to exploit the children and destroy the nuclear family. You can bet the gay agenda is somehow tied into this.
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11:02 am
If you take such great offense to sex workers responding to your over the top post, maybe you should excercise more caution when writting. Most sex workers can read you know, and the Net is the Wild West, my friend. You put it out there, it might get noticed- even by the people you least want to notice it. Sex workers are also pretty dang sick of everyone else in the world dictating how their lives should be and who should get to make laws for them without consulting them at all. The sex industry is not going anywhere, it has been around forever, and will probably continue to be around for a long, long time. A lot of folk, seeing this, then decide that perhaps the top level of safety for all involved might be a good thing- hence, the letter by these academics. Also, bluring the lines does not help anyone: Trafficking is already illegal, sex with children is already illegal, the laws in R.I. do not change this in any way.
I do also recall reading the Bible- Jesus did hang out with prostitutes or so it says.
Now, I am one of those people who simply does not care about offending folks like you, shoot, people like you offend me equally, but here in the US we do have that separation of church and state thing for a reason. Sure, the majority of US Americans might in fact be Christain, but even there the variety is staggering- pretty much every religion thinks they are the ones who have it right, so keeping church and state separate is a good thing for people, no matter their faith. However, I also happen to be a huge fan of the 1st Amendment, and thus, utterly support your right to say whatever you want- I just find it amusing when there is so little fact checking.
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3:01 am
I think all the sex workers posting here should just be honest that they’re in it for the drugs or money, not to find love or social justice.
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10:51 am
LeAnne:
Aren’t most people in their jobs for the money? It is one of those necessary to survive things. I seriously doubt most people work simply because it gives them great joy and personal satisfaction and growth. They do it to earn a living.
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11:12 am
Like was said, Let the crack dealers tuck themselves in at nite on a farm somewhere! Thats your view of law and punishment!
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11:53 am
“Like was said, Let the crack dealers tuck themselves in at nite on a farm somewhere! Thats your view of law and punishment!”
Janice: Darlin’, do not assume to know anything about my ideas on law and punishment. You really do seem to have some serious issues with a perceived sense of familiarity and insight. When it comes to violent criminals, I am pretty old school in my ideas about what should happen to them. And that has what all to do with my statement to LeAnne about money? People need money to live, thusly, most people have jobs of some sort. They have these out of need- or do you really think the person running the check out at your local store is totally in love with their job and simply doing it for the fun?
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6:13 pm
Wasn’t one of Jesus Christ’s closest companions a prostitute, Mary Magdalene? I bet Jesus would not only go to strip clubs, but he would make it rain! That would be excellent. Turning water into tequila shots! So say it the Lord!!!!
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6:42 pm
You are a nasty little man who probably has a very sad mother who cries every night while you dance topless in homosexual clubs with old debauched men.
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11:22 pm
Jesus did make friends with prostitutes and talk to them. Do you know more of why he did that? So he could tell them that they to could repent of their wicked ways and have salvation by believing in him. Being an unrepentant whore is a sin though, so rest assured that whoever does not stop laying on their backs for Satan will be joining him in the burning lake of fire.
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11:31 pm
I know! And these crazy think people that Jesus did it because he wanted to party. How they twist it all around!
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10:29 am
Before you mark Donna Hughes’ birthday as a Feast Day on the Calender a few thoughts to ponder.
Donna’s political ambition to “ban indoor prostitution” doesn’t “ban” anything. The activities will still happen regardless of legislation. If you believe otherwise, than why in the other 48 1/2 states where it is “banned” do we still have underage prostitution? Why do we still have human trafficking?
The “foreign sex radicals” comment……. Playing on some xenophobia? Just a bit. One should be lead to believe that lack of US citizenship implies a less than stellar ethical position? Cute play on xenophobia and right wing nationalism to deny an oppressed US population rights. You figure making prostitutes in Rhode Island criminals is going to assist them in achieving freedom and social advancement? That of course is logical. Being arrested and having a criminal record is always a sure ticket to social advancement of a population that is currently marginalized and oppressed. I’m certain General Pinochet would have agreed.
The term radical. A couple of ironies here. Radical implies, by definition, change. Actually the alleged sex radicals are advocating, in the case of Rhode Island, that the law not be changed. It is Donna Hughes and her allies that advocate change. It is also Donna Hughes and her allies that self identify as radical feminists. Except right now when the term radical doesn’t suit them but is good for a smear.
Donna Hughes is a long time advocate of the Swedish Model which decriminalizes the sex worker but not the client. Except right now, where she opposes decriminalization of the sex worker, instead advocating their criminalization. Can’t blame her for not missing a good political opportunity to advance herself though. While not a candidate for constructive social change leadership ethics, she certainly is increasingly proficient as a politician.
So why does this matter to me? Am I a foreign sex radical? No. I’m a US Citizen living ironically in North Carolina. Am I a sex worker? No. Do I have any connection to the sex industry? No. What I am is a former trafficking victim, who lived in a state where prostitution was “banned”. A former trafficking victim whose pimp exploited the “ban” and it’s criminalization of me, despite being the victim, to enslave, to torture, to rape. The “ban” that Donna Hughes advocates makes the victim a criminal. If you think police and the legal system are supportive of assisting “criminals” when they are victimized by crime. Think again. How many prostitutes that are raped, assaulted, robbed, and worse get justice? I don’t remember the “ban” getting prostitutes a whole lot of legal help when victimized by the Green River Killer.
Before you buy into the moral superiority idea of making a marginalized population criminals by default as a ticket to their social justice, ask yourself whether or not you feel you would benefit from being arrested and having a criminal record as part of protecting your rights? If that works for you, I strongly advocate committing a crime so that you can experience all the benefits that come with being criminalized.
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5:04 pm
Blah Blah Blah. I smell a ivory tower liberal female studies professor who spends too much time on campus surrounded by girls with piercings and green hair. Do you ever think about there poor mothers who are crying themslves to bed every nite because there kids wont ever find a decent husband with a job? You uncaring son of a gun. And all that education and you still have no wisdom or common sense. Talk us all to death but hookers are STILL BAD!
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7:38 pm
Janice, who are you responding to with the liberal female studies professor statement?
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10:48 pm
Jill, did you become a liberal womens studies professor recently?
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5:54 am
I was going to accept the position of Liberal Women’s Studies Professor Ren, but instead took the offer to replace Drew Carey as host of the Price is Right.
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6:22 am
Why would Drew Carey leave he just got there and hes fantasic!
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7:58 pm
Jill, as I have mentioned above, prostitution in all its forms is wrong and thankfully illegal almost everywhere in this world. Your argument that legalizing it will help women is the same argument that marijuana pushers use. It’s simply an excuse for them to pleasure themselves. Sometimes I park in a bike line, should I start a campaign saying that it should be legal because it unduly hurts people like me and by making it legal it will save me from suffering from traffic fines? Again, we can extend this argument to incest or tax evasion- just because some people get physical pleasure from it, it doesn’t mean it’s right.
I am not xenophobic, but again there are more complex issues at stake here. Even most democrats agree that we have to address the major influx of illegal aliens who are potential terrorist threats, disease spreaders and if you don’t agree with that, what about the dire and massive impact they have had on our employment and health care situation.
This country cannot afford to give handouts to every sad sack who crawls up on our shores. I wish we could care for everyone, but in fact it takes away the pressure on their home countries for real change. Letting migrants come to the US illegally only allows their dictators and corrupt politicians to have more free rein in their evil deeds. Stalin pushed the gypsies to the borders of the Soviet Union with the hope that they would migrate to the West and be out of his hair. Castro opened up all the prisons to let the worst elements of his society hop boats to Miami. Mexico has been weak on borders because they look at it as a way to deal with their own overpopulation. The goodwill of the US has roundly been taken advantage of.
I am truly and deeply sorry for any pain and suffering you endured at the hands of illegal activity. It is never right to hurt an innocent human being and I believe it is doubly wrong to do this to a woman.
I do not want to be arrested but I do not commit crimes. I do not commit them because I have a moral and ethical base. I believe in what’s right and fight politically against what is wrong, to change the laws. Like Rhode Island legal prostitution, for instance, or abortion.
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11:42 am
“prostitution in all its forms is wrong and thankfully illegal almost everywhere in this world. ”
Actually, its just about legal everywhere else EXCEPT the U.S. Maybe you need to have a little refresher on international laws, Stephenson.
http://www.sexwork.com/coalition/whatcountrieslegal.html
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11:49 am
Easy now; don’t confuse him and the rest of the fundies with facts!
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12:45 pm
How can it be legal anywhere when it was written to be illegal, by God? It is illegal in America, because again, we are a Christian nation that was founded on Christian principles. The problem is some politicians are trying to destroy our nation’s moral heritage.
Women who are forced into prostitution and pornography tend not to be happy. It was usually brought on by some event or circumstance in their life (abuse, drugs, need money, fear, low self-esteem). How could any woman want to be degraded in such ways?
Naturally, a woman wants to be treated with the respect she deserves, and that’s why we need laws to prohibit any pornography and prostitution.
If you had to walk a mile in one of the shoes of any of these women who are forced into pornography and prostitution, I think you’d be livid that all these other countries are violating morality and not outlawing these destructive acts. The Geneva Convention should have an individual’s right of not being sexually exploited as the first byline.
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1:15 pm
“How can it be legal anywhere when it was written to be illegal, by God?”
Two words: free will.
Also, you’ll take note please that the bible isn’t the law of the land; the Constitution is. And for MOST countries around the world, the bible is also not the law of the land. While Christianity is either the number one or number two religion in the world (depending on what source you use), most nations aren’t theocracies.
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10:04 am
“It is illegal in America, because again, we are a Christian nation that was founded on Christian principles.”
and genocide. That doesn’t sound very christian to me.
“Women who are forced into prostitution and pornography tend not to be happy. It was usually brought on by some event or circumstance in their life (abuse, drugs, need money, fear, low self-esteem). ”
Who are you? DO you know any sex workers? Do you know that not everyone is forced into it? Some of us willingly engage in sex work.
“How could any woman want to be degraded in such ways?”
Because some of us don’t actually consign to the belief that sexuality is a terrible thing. Sexuality is, for some, one of the most magickal things we can experience as humans. I enjoy bringing that into other people’s lives.
“Naturally, a woman wants to be treated with the respect she deserves, and that’s why we need laws to prohibit any pornography and prostitution.”
I feel more respected and appreciated for my time and efforts in sex work than any other type of job I have ever held.
“If you had to walk a mile in one of the shoes of any of these women who are forced into pornography and prostitution, I think you’d be livid that all these other countries are violating morality and not outlawing these destructive acts.”
Being forced and choosing to do this work as a choice are two different things. How can you create a law that governs both parties? Thats not right.
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11:56 am
Sequioa,
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1:09 pm
Honestly, I can’t tell if this site is real or not. It seems way to radical almost spoof like.
I’m not into the idea of breeding myself and I love sex. Sex does not always equal babies, nor should it.
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3:42 pm
If sex does not equal babies, then why do people try to bypass God’s genetic programming by use of demonic devices such as condoms, IUDs and vasectomy (mutilations) of our fearfully and wonderfully made bodies?
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6:21 pm
“If sex does not equal babies, then why do people try to bypass God’s genetic programming by use of demonic devices such as condoms, IUDs and vasectomy (mutilations) of our fearfully and wonderfully made bodies?”
What she meant to say was that sex does not ALWAYS equal babies. If a man and a woman have unprotected sex and the man ejaculates into the woman, she may become pregnant, and she may not. It’s called chance. The purpose of using a condom and/or oral contraceptives is to DECREASE those chances as much as possible.
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6:43 pm
How old are you Claire? Why are you always spouting such crude biology?
Sex is a responsibility. God made it pleasurable for us to procreate. Obviously married couples who are infertile can still have sex for the joy of it, but it doesn’t work towards His end.
The problem is that as society’s morals and directives have crumbled, the family unit, schools and churchly oversight have decayed so much that young people are discovering sex on the internet, in abandoned buildings, in single parent homes, etc. And they find some identity with it, albeit false and immoral. The awkward girl suddenly becomes temporarily popular because she uses her hands on the boys, etc. This is not the meaning of sex, it’s an abuse of the body.
When those improperly sexed children grow older, they continue to need that “high” of attention that got in grade school– so they turn to more and more outrageous ways of seeking attention, like that girl Sequoia who blogs herself in the nude. Sometimes these types cross the line into prostitution and drugs and even worse. So there you see, sex is not just not some fun thing to do, but an adult responsibility that should be kept from children’s hands.
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8:36 pm
“How old are you Claire?”
I will be 19 in a month.
“Why are you always spouting such crude biology?”
Because I am a Certified Nursing Assistant and a Veterinary Technology student who has taken many courses in anatomy & physiology (human and mammalian) and biology, as well as various health care classes.
“sex is not just not some fun thing to do, but an adult responsibility that should be kept from children’s hands.”
And where did I say otherwise? In fact, what was that whole spiel about anyway? All I did in my previous post was explain to Dumbshit Nelson that unprotected, uninterrupted sex between a male and female does not ALWAYS result in pregnancy.
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4:22 am
If you want to decrease the chance, do not have sex. Sex is made for the continuation of our species; God gave us the power to create life and that’s what makes Satan so jealous.
Satan cheers and leads his demons in chants when people use condoms and abortions to murder unborn children. Woe be unto those who violate the seed of life, for they shall reap what they sow. And what they sow are the seeds that will root them in hell, forever!
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2:23 pm
“If you want to decrease the chance, do not have sex.”
And I agree completely with that, but I do not have the right to walk up to people and tell them not to have sex.
“Satan cheers and leads his demons in chants when people use condoms and abortions to murder unborn children.”
The use of condoms does not kill unborn children at all; it prevents the conception of children. Contrary to what you believe, each sperm is not a microscopic baby; it is 23 chromosomes. If used properly, condoms greatly decrease the chance of pregnancy, and thus decrease the instances of abortion.
Bottom line: teenagers are going to have sex, nothing we can say or do will stop them from having sex. So, wouldn’t you rather teenagers be taught how to have SAFE sex rather than not teach them at all? They’re going to have sex regardless, but if you take the time to educate them, there will be less unwanted pregnancies. Less unwanted pregnancies = less abortions. It’s really not that difficult of an equation to understand.
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3:36 pm
My knowledge of life sciences, particularly human genetics and biology, far outmatches your knowledge. The difference between us though, even if you do decide one day to be a proper doctor, is the way we apply our knowledge.
I see selectively halting the body’s natural reproductive process as a form of obstructing life itself. I take this view because I feel once a sperm and egg combine to form a zygote, which is miraculous in itself, it is on the path to develop through an entire life cycle.
If left unharmed, the little cluster of cells will continually develop. Conception is the base for life.
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6:48 pm
“My knowledge of life sciences, particularly human genetics and biology, far outmatches your knowledge.”
Haha! I beg to differ. Here is my proof that you don’t know jack shit about biology:
“They had unedited penii, cursing and this strange queefing from a woman’s sinhole all in this episode.”
“Women go No. 1 and have babies from the same place. There is a little thingy down there called the clidorice (I think that’s what you meant by the separator flap?) that usually folds back and protects the reproductive parts of the woman when she uses the restroom. When having marital relations, that clidorice comes to hang forward out of the way so a husband may place the seed of life in the exposed reproductive parts down in there uterus. The bowels release are just the waste part in the back and the second hole (so I think you just messed up where the urinary system empties out which can be easy to do).”
“To you and that Keith down below and the man claiming to be a gynecologist I can tell you are all lies. Why on Earth would God not have a safeguard to keep womean’s babymaker get contaminated with filth like blood the body wastes? Don’t have an answer, do you? That’s because you’re lying about it all, and I know the the clidorice IS meant to protect the body not be used for whatever sick, twisted ways you claim to pervert it with (though males don’t have one anyway).”
“Now, a man contains the seed of life and that’s why it’s immoral to masturbate. Women contaminate the holy place where the child is to grow, but for men you are murdering millions of childrens! Each sperm of a man contains a human life, all tiny and wrapped up. This life does not get chemically activated (the ‘breath of life’) from God until it is safely tucked away in a woman’s egg, which if she is moral and of good health will be pure.”
http://christwire.org/2009/04/watch-south-park-episode-eat-pray-and-queef-online-now-christian-tv-review/
“The difference between us though, even if you do decide one day to be a proper doctor”
A “proper” doctor? What exactly is that supposed to mean? Are you implying that being a veterinarian isn’t “proper”?
“I take this view because I feel once a sperm and egg combine to form a zygote, which is miraculous in itself, it is on the path to develop through an entire life cycle.”
Hmm, that’s funny that you’re actually using scientific terms such as zygote, considering how in the article entitled “How Is Baby Made?” you kept claiming that each sperm was a microscopic baby called a “homonculous”, instead of simply 23 chromosomes.
“If left unharmed, the little cluster of cells will continually develop. Conception is the base for life.”
And with your attitude towards women, you’re going to have to experience the “miracle” of pregnancy vicariously through work, as no self-respecting woman will ever marry you.
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1:23 am
That was you pretending to be me, so you could try to discredit me.
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11:59 am
No, it was not me, and it was not any of the other Adam clones, either. My proof?
“Actually, Dan, I think you may be a little bit off on this one. Women go No. 1 and have babies from the same place. There is a little thingy down there called the clidorice (I think that’s what you meant by the separator flap?) that usually folds back and protects the reproductive parts of the woman when she uses the restroom.”
Notice the first sentence? You were nice to Dan, and did not insult his mental retardation like the rest of us do.
Want more proof?
Whenever I pretend to be you, I say very inappropriate, filthy, sexually explicit things such as “Dan and I fucked each other rotten last night and he shot his warm load into my mouth”.
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1:01 pm
I have no idea what’s going on, but all I know is I wish all you guys would stop trying to act like you’re me. It gets old and is a malicious act of trying to demerit my person.
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2:13 pm
I know what’s going on: you’re a retard and you’re too embarrassed to admit it.
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8:30 pm
“The husband must fulfill his duty to his wife, and likewise also the wife to her husband. The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does; and likewise also the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. Stop depriving one another, except by agreement for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer, and come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.” (1 Corinthians 7:3–5)(NASB)
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8:33 pm
Posting passages from that dusty old book of yours will get you nowhere.
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8:41 pm
You asked for it, Claire:
The woman has her primary responsibility in the home since the Scripture says she is to be the keeper of the home. “To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed” (Titus 2:5). Preparing meals for the family is one of her prime duties. The world has set the standard when it comes to eating, rather than the Word of God. Here is another area where we need to be sensitive to the Holy Spirit’s guidance. Besides seeing to it that each member receives spiritual food, the Lord is emphasizing to His people that they need to make changes in their physical diets and receive the proper natural foods.
Our body is the temple of the Holy Spirit, and many of our temples are filled with trash and garbage. Yet we expect the Holy Spirit to abide there, too. As women, we can be instrumental in ministering the proper food to our families. Instead of eating according to the present mode, we need to eat according to God’s Word. The Bible has much to say about diet and eating. Of course, the extreme we should avoid here is to become so “food-minded” that we allow cooking and diet to absorb too much of our time. Obesity has become such a problem for so many people in the U.S.A. that we need to seek God to control our appetites and help us in this all important area. The Lord wants us to learn self-discipline and temperance in all things. In and of ourselves, we may not be able to overcome our old eating habits, but through prayer, with the Lord’s help, “I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me” (Philippians 4:13).
from http://www.bible.com/bibleanswers_result.php?id=150
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8:48 pm
“The woman has her primary responsibility in the home since the Scripture says she is to be the keeper of the home.”
I don’t give a dying moose’s last shit about what the scripture says.
“Preparing meals for the family is one of her prime duties.”
I see no reason why the husband can’t prepare meals for the family as well.
“Here is another area where we need to be sensitive to the Holy Spirit’s guidance.”
So if god told you to eat a lump of dog shit, you’d do it?
“As women, we can be instrumental in ministering the proper food to our families.”
So can men.
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1:34 pm
Sequoia:
The people who comment definitely believe what they say.
I think a few of the people from CW that post some of this drivel also believe what they say, but I’m inclined to think that most of the articles are presented as tongue in cheek. Then fundamentalists take it to the N-th degree and show how Christians should NOT act or treat their fellow man.
I’ll give ‘em props where they’re due, though: there is a lot of traffic through this site…
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6:52 pm
Sequoia,
As an adult, I am strong and firm around children. I try to instruct them that their bodies are not toys, that flesh is not a playground. I try to impress upon everyone I meet that our bodies are temples to the Lord and that we should care for them and love them as such.
What you advocate is filthy and perverted. You want to strip down to your underwear and get the camera snapping and a thousand men online clicking. And the next day, you wake up and do the same. Hurtful piercings, Lord knows what types of mutlisexual partners are involved, let alone those types of sexual instruments that are just unspeakably immoral and grotesque and painful. I shudder just imagining the scenario of your home, some den of monumental vice and depravity and lesbians.
Like Janice, I do see you are a beautiful and young woman and I wish you weren’t such a sinner in the eyes of Jesus. The church loves the sinner but hates the sin, you know. So why don’t you try dressing in some nice cotton blouse (no leather, young woman!) and come to a church. You might meet a great Christian guy there who can fill this hole in your life.
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2:10 pm
I found your website is very informative and enjoyable
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11:20 am
Stephenson,
Sorry for the delay. I missed your response.
Actually, I don’t advocate for legalization of prostitution. That is a different legal dynamic. I’m not a supporter of legalization. I advocate decriminalization. Significant difference. Nevada legalization is not a solution.
I disagree with you about the comparison between prostitution and marijuana. I don’t believe they are comparative. A majority of women are in prostitution in it’s various forms in one way or another to earn money to make a living. Of which of course there is a spectrum. Some have many other options but choose prostitution, some are blatantly coerced into it, most fall someplace in the middle. But then most of us fall into that regarding how we earn a living. How many of us would go to our current jobs if we won the lottery? We go there to earn a living. The coercive nature is needing money to pay bills.
Being in prostitution to earn a living is always going to be there. If criminalization ended all crimes there would be no murder as murder is illegal worldwide. It’s not as simple as making a choice to make it illegal and problem solved. Comparisons to marijuana use to being a prostitute don’t have equal value. Using marijuana vs. deriving a living from prostitution. Not apples to apples. Even selling marijuana to being a prostitute, isn’t apples to apples. Social dynamics are totally different. If you are looking to compare use of marijuana to hiring of prostitutes. Then the logical target of your argument would be to go after the clients or the pimps. Not equal in terms of argument but closer.
In regards to your bike lane point. Perhaps you should move to North Carolina and advance the argument. You’d probably get elected governor. I’m not sure people here realize the bike lane isn’t a parking space
In terms of arguing physical pleasure from being a prostitute. I’ll only argue that from my own perspective, I can’t speak for others, but I found zero physical pleasure in being a prostitute. It had as much physical pleasure to me as would selling used washing machines. But the pleasure, or lack thereof, has little relation to basic human rights. The same person that enjoys their job in whatever position, let’s say account executive for purposes of argument, should have the right to legal protection from rape, assault, robbery, as the person that earns their living in the sex industry, whether they enjoy it or not has no relevance. And vice versa for the person who enjoys or doesn’t enjoy their position in the sex industry.
In terms of xenophobia. What jumped out at me was statement about foreign sex radicals invading a state. That reads as a statement poised to play on xenophobic fears as it bears no resemblance to the actual situation. No one is invading Rhode Island in this case, the professors you are writing about, in this instance aren’t even the radicals, as the opponents of the “foreign” professors are the ones seeking major change, and the inclusion of the term foreign, seems out of context and only there to provoke a nationalistic response. It reads of a perspective of My God, these terrible foreigners, with their lower than the US morals, are trying to bring the US down to their level through force”. Which to me reads as inherently xenophobic. The US has no monopoly on morality or ethics. Nor does being a non US citizen have any inherent lack of character that they would have had by being born here. If that were the case, I’m assuming the name Stephenson Billings has at least some European lineage? Perhaps I’m wrong and you are a member of the rare tribe of native americans from Liverpool England? My point being, at some point someone in your family origins was not from the US. You didn’t inherently get a better set of morals and ethics by virtue of being born in hypothetically, say Kansas City, than hypothetically, Liverpool, UK, or Sao Paulo, Brasil. So unless you are playing on xenophobia of the readers of your article, I can’t find another reason to go there with the foreign radicals title. No offense intended in picking Kansas City. Just a hypothetical.
On terrorism. Most of the 9/11 hijackers and subsequent terrorists entered the US legally. I can’t think of many instances where they came across the border from Mexico illegally. The authorities just busted a terrorist ring here in North Carolina and the terrorist leader is from a Raleigh/Durham suburb. Al Queda doesn’t seem to be doing well in it’s recruiting efforts in Mexico. I’m not clear how conservative views that the answer to terrorism is in trying to fence off the border with mexico and arm it with soldiers. Terrorists tend to have some sort of financing. They don’t have to sneak over the border on foot. They can get a visa and enter via aircraft through the airport. Even if we were to build a fence between MX and the US, what would stop a determined terrorist from entering Maine from PQ or New Brunswick? How would one even ever know? It is so densely forested there and sparsely populated in Northern Maine, you could sneak over the border 1000 times and who would know?
Should we go on with discussion about borders and terrorism? This kind of derails the thread.
Stephenson, I don’t want someone to feel bad for my experiences in the sex industry. That isn’t the point to me. It’s not about me, although thank you for the kind thoughts, but my goal is to foster social change that eliminates that kind of violence for anyone. Obviously it is personal to me because my entry into the sex industry was coerced as was much of my participation. Nonetheless, it was illegal in the states that it happened to me in. Prostitution was illegal, rape was illegal, holding me against my will was illegal, assault was illegal. Those who do coerce, rape, assault, traffick, usually aren’t the stupid caricatures of NYPD Blue and Law & Order SVU. They are intelligent enough to know that the prostitute that can’t go to the police because she is considered by them to be a criminal is much easier to rape, to coerce, to assault, to hold against her will. Arresting the victims by default of their being prostitutes isn’t a solution to trafficking.
My issue isn’t with people who oppose prostitution on ethical/moral grounds. We all the right to our views. But my issue is with those, like Professor Hughes, who try to advance that they are doing a good thing for prostitutes by making them criminals by default. That is self serving to an extreme on her part. Professor Hughes knows better. So that we are clear, I know Donna Hughes. At one time more than a decade ago, she and I were allies and friends. Her campaign is self serving as she knows the harm that her activism is causing.
I am not xenophobic, but again there are more complex issues at stake here. Even most democrats agree that we have to address the major influx of illegal aliens who are potential terrorist threats, disease spreaders and if you don’t agree with that, what about the dire and massive impact they have had on our employment and health care situation.
This country cannot afford to give handouts to every sad sack who crawls up on our shores. I wish we could care for everyone, but in fact it takes away the pressure on their home countries for real change. Letting migrants come to the US illegally only allows their dictators and corrupt politicians to have more free rein in their evil deeds. Stalin pushed the gypsies to the borders of the Soviet Union with the hope that they would migrate to the West and be out of his hair. Castro opened up all the prisons to let the worst elements of his society hop boats to Miami. Mexico has been weak on borders because they look at it as a way to deal with their own overpopulation. The goodwill of the US has roundly been taken advantage of.
I am truly and deeply sorry for any pain and suffering you endured at the hands of illegal activity. It is never right to hurt an innocent human being and I believe it is doubly wrong to do this to a woman.
I do not want to be arrested but I do not commit crimes. I do not commit them because I have a moral and ethical base. I believe in what’s right and fight politically against what is wrong, to change the laws. Like Rhode Island legal prostitution, for instance, or abortion.
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12:43 pm
Huh.
I’ve driven through RI, and saw no such sign.
New Haven, CT, on the other hand, had quite a few explicit billboards along the highway.
Not to mention The I-70 corridor going from Columbia, to Kansas City MO.
And Indiana.
And Misissippi.
And New Jersey.
And Michigan.
And NY State.
And…pretty much everywhere. I cna’t think of a single place in the country that would be completely devoid of a sex industry.
Not to mention, that Christ spent a good deal of his ministry havin dinner with hookers, tax cheats, adulterers, and other such “unclean” adn “sinful” people. He also had that whole “let he who has not sinned throw the first stone/judge not, lest ye be judged” thing going on.
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4:58 pm
Dear Niel, for a pervert who describes himself as, “I am also a foul-mouthed, vulgar, booze-loving, moral relativist, feminist, pro-choice, LGBTQI-allying, flaming liberal who made a “Happy Birthday Darwin” cake.” you have a lot of gall challengins us on morality. It is people like you who have too much money and no common sense and are funding this democrat congress into messing with our liberties and pulling out of Iraq.
Secondly, hookers are in many place but only in this crazy state (way way liberal I might add) is it Legal as Stephesen has discovered. Get your facts straight!
And don’t blaspheme. It’s doesnt suit you. Jesus Christ, our Savoir, ministered to many of ill and immoral. He didnt sit around the dinner table chatting them up and drinking booze like you make it sound. You, young man, are dishonest and cruel. Again, why are people like you so in love with the dangerous side of life? it is a sickness.
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10:54 pm
Only in R.I.?
One word: NEVADA
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11:28 pm
Nevada only allows prostituion in some small counties, not the entire state as approved by the state govt and protected by the police and Nevada doesnt let 16 years old daughters dance naked in clubs. Get your facts straight before you open you big mouth!
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11:30 pm
Nevada allows hooker only in some small counties not the entire state like RHode Island as protected by the state legislature and police force. And Nevada doesnt allow 16 years old daughters to dance naked in strip clubs. Get your facts straight before you open your big mouth!
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12:31 am
The woman who posts the same shit twice is calling me a big mouth? How precious! Eight of NV’s 16 counties have legal prostitution. Half the state, which is probably more surface area than all of RI put together. So lets not act like RI is some special place where the US’s only legal prostitution occurs.
It’s kind of funny to see you get all flustered and defensive like that though!
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1:00 am
Ren your just being ridiculous. Both are terrible places I think we can agree on that my friend! Prositution shouldnt be anywhere and the police forces should work overtime to stop this. I hate that it threatens families and marriage.
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11:32 pm
Nevada allows strippers only in some small counties not the entire state like RHode Island as protected by the state legislature and police force. And Nevada doesnt allow 16 years old daughters to dance naked in strip clubs. Get your facts straight before you open your big mouth!
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11:34 pm
Listen Rev. Nevada allow hookers only in some small countys not the entire state like Rjhode Island as protected by the state govt and police force. And Nevada does nt allow 16 years old daughters to dance naked in strip clubs. Get your facts straight before you open your big mouth!
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1:36 am
You really enjoy repeating yourself, doncha?
Ever BEEN to Nevada? Well, let’s see, oddly enough, I have. A few times. In its largest tourist destination, Las Vegas, prostitution is not legal, stripping is big business. HALF the state’s counties have legal brothels. And yep, sure enough, there is illegal prostitution all over the state. Stripping at 16? Nah, I do not think that is a good idea. But decriminalized indoor prostitution? I don’t think that is a bad one.
Then again, I love Nevada.
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2:58 am
Ren, If you enjoy traveling to Nevada and solicting prostitutes, then that is a problem you and your wife will have to deal with. If you’re not married, I can’t imagine what kind of woman would accept you if you were truthful about your past. I personally would be afraid of disease and also relapsing into that behavoir.
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10:55 am
“Ren, If you enjoy traveling to Nevada and solicting prostitutes, then that is a problem you and your wife will have to deal with. If you’re not married, I can’t imagine what kind of woman would accept you if you were truthful about your past. I personally would be afraid of disease and also relapsing into that behavoir.”
LeAnne- Um, I’m a woman. And I go to Vegas to play poker. Also, per state law, prostitutes in NV are subject to monthly health checks in order to see that diseases are not spread.
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11:01 am
Poker player Ren? Well La De Da!!!
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12:01 pm
Well, not a professional one, I just happen to like the game. Also, the Hoover Dam is pretty cool.
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4:49 pm
“Are Claire and JaniceFun the same person? And either way, why?”
Laughing out Loud!!!!!!! Oh Claire my princess, some internet wit believes you and me are the same person!!!!! Hahahahahaaha! I love it! (Click on the mixtape link at bottom).
If only! If only you and I shared a household, there is so much I could teach you! I have dreamed of taking you into the bosom of Christ many a late nite.
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6:11 pm
“If only! If only you and I shared a household, there is so much I could teach you! I have dreamed of taking you into the bosom of Christ many a late nite.”
Why, do you have a death wish?
And to whoever asked if JaniceFun and me were the same person, we are not. I was posting on this blog long before JaniceFun reared her ugly head. However, because I and so many other people were having a blast pretending to be Adam Nelson, Ms. Fun here decided that she would hop on the bandwagon and start pretending to be me and other liberals she doesn’t agree with.
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6:30 pm
Claire my little dear with funny hair, the woman who said we are the same person posted it in her blog hookermixtape the link at the bottom. And I know we fight and you are crazy liberal but with the right mentoring and MATURITY you will lead a life of goodness and faith some day.
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7:34 pm
“Claire my little dear with funny hair”
What the fuck? You need to lay off the LSD.
“And I know we fight and you are crazy liberal but with the right mentoring and MATURITY you will lead a life of goodness and faith some day.”
Faith and goodness do not go hand in hand. I’m a very good person, despite my not being a person of faith. It’s ignorant to think that non-believers are bad people.
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8:46 pm
Claire you have grown sour and humorless in your old age
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11:18 pm
None believers will burn in hell. That makes them pretty bad in the Book of Life, which is the ultimate judge in such matters.
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7:14 pm
Hello all, I have just returned from my day at work, showing my commitment to keep the American economy on track despite the efforts of our liberal activist foes. I see that a tempest has been stirred in my absence and I will try to address some of the more facetious claims here as I eat my roast chicken and flicker around ESPN. I know many of angry feminists had the whole day unhindered by real employment to rant and rave so it may take some time to reply to you. I must state up front, I am uneasy in your company. With faith,
Stephenson
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7:30 pm
“I know many of angry feminists had the whole day unhindered by real employment to rant and rave so it may take some time to reply to you.”
Excuse me? I’m a feminist, and I have a well-paying, full-time job.
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7:35 pm
Just so we are clear on things Stephenson. I’m not a feminist. However, Donna Hughes, who is the major proponent of criminalization in Rhode Island is. She is a radical feminist.
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11:19 pm
Did you read the article about how people like you are destroying society?
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6:38 am
Yes, I did. It was pure bullshit.
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7:43 pm
Your petty attacks and insults are not worthy of a response here.
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7:56 pm
What I wrote was neither an attack nor an insult.
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8:04 pm
I will leave the catfighting to you and Janice.
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11:35 pm
I do not cat fight Stephenson. You should know better than to say that its sexist.
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8:37 pm
I’m wondering if saying that you’re not going to respond is, in fact, a response…
Seems to me that it is. Maybe I’m crazy.
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3:03 am
You’re just drunk again.
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11:02 am
I don’t drink, but nice try…
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6:21 pm
“None believers will burn in hell. That makes them pretty bad in the Book of Life, which is the ultimate judge in such matters.”
Bullshit. Where’s your proof? And you CANNOT use the bible as proof.
And if you’re right and I will go to hell for not believing, then I’ll be welcoming hell with open arms. I’d rather be in hell partying with satan than up in heaven with assholes like you, Adam.
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9:52 pm
““I do think that sex with animals can be consensual … I do not think that people who enjoy this should be stigmatized .. [these] kinds of sex acts … can be done in ways that are relatively safe. I don’t think the desire to do them is bad or wrong”
That settles it, these “sex radical” people are nuts! Don’t take them seriously, they’re only concerned about themselves!
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10:41 pm
I completely agree that sex with animals is so very wrong! It makes me sick to think of someone’s cute little poodle being violated… How could such a cretin say these things? She must have a twisted mind.
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10:42 pm
For some odd reason Rhode Island’s Dr Donna Hughes has taken down her blog… This is sad, it had so much great information on it.
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12:35 am
Well hopefully she didn’t have women programmers trying to do the development work on it.
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3:05 am
That’s not very funny, those Asians and Russians always are better at those sorts of things. I’m sure the radical sexual people ganged up on her. I just hope she wasn’t too scared to speak her truth to power. Maybe they protested her house or something? Can anyone find out, please? Stephenson, can you call this poor woman?
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6:44 am
Shut up, you sexist pig.
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11:44 am
My prayers and wishes go out to you Dr Hughes where ever you are now. We all are more blessed for your work stopping these evils in that place called Rhode Island. I hope what ever happened you will survive and it wasn’t the nastiest of people there who stopped your great efforts at truth and justice and the Ameican way.
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12:51 pm
Janice, that is really funny!!
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1:49 pm
Janice, do you know Donna? She is the women’s studies professor that you are so concerned that I or someone is. I would advocate you not spend too much time worrying about her safety. The foreign sex radicals are too busy sneaking over the border, trying to entice penguins into prostitution, or something truly heinous and unpatriotic like learning spanish to do her any harm.
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5:20 pm
Thats just absurd. ANd no, I don’t know Donna but read her blog when it was linked from this article. I found it fascinating that such people were all gathered together in one place and worked up to a tissy about this.
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10:20 am
Janice, all I can say is wow………
The professors are invading a little state? What do you figure? They are all perched in Taunton ready to cross the border and attack the Emerald Square Mall, destroy the economy, take away some shopping days and turn the mall into a combination brothel and foreign department store?
Should I even begin to address how many small countries the US has invaded?
Actually, the women that you feel the professors want to set free…… They are free right now. The professors you dislike, oppose the professors that you support, in their efforts to take away the women’s freedom.
Once again Janice. Why do you feel trafficking victims should be arrested and tried by a court system? Your answers to that tend to come in pieces mixed with insults about mental stability, patriotism, Malthus.
Janice, what if the trafficking victim was abducted and forced into prostitution? She should still be arrested too? Try to get by the assumption that courts are always fair and would set her free and answer the question.
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11:10 am
Alright, I’ll bite Jillnofun. If a woman is forced to commit a crime she wouldn’t not be punished because the courts dont punish people like that. Its like if Im at a bank and a bankrobber makes me hold the garbage bag while he empties the cash register. Of course Im not guilty of robbing the bank, what crazy judge would say that? I’m just against the criminals here. I agree with you, the Pimps should be arrested too. They are not innocent because they beat those women and take a cut of the profits. But if you’re a prostitute by choice, if you sneak in America from another country (that’s a crime right there!) and then sell yourself, that’s a crime, too. If you a hooker because of drugs or addictions, that’s no excuse. It’s like saying I;m a drunk so I should be able to drive drunk all I want and hit mail boxes. No, that is not right. But the women we’re talking about in this message board right here are selling themselves intentionally for money and that is WRONG. PERIOD.
You guys do a lot of gynamstics around the idea, but you can’t escape the truth. Selling your body for cash or drugs is a crime. If it’s forced, like slavery, you’re not guilty. Do you think the slaves were guilty when they made mistakes? Of course not, they were forced into that (though it was legal back then).
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1:43 pm
Janice,
Janice writes >>Alright, I’ll bite Jillnofun. If a woman is forced to commit a crime she wouldn’t not be punished because the courts dont punish people like that.>>
Have you ever been to court Janice? Courts punish people like that when the are considered criminals first then victims Janice. When she tries to argue that she was coerced into it, do you figure the courts are going to believe her or the police officer that arrested her? Why is she being arrested and brought into the justice system as a criminal only to be released in your scenario? We don’t arrest rape victims until they prove themselves innocent Janice. So why would we do so with trafficking victims?
I’m assuming since you believe the court system always does the right thing, that you believe OJ didn’t murder Nicole and Ron?
In response to the crazy judge question. Oliver Carter, perhaps James Browning, although I’m not sure if Browning ever was a judge or just a district attorney.
Janice you advocate for the arrest of the prostitutes and pimps. How about the clients?
Why the link between sneaking into the country and choosing to be a prostitute? Besides if you are as concerned about trafficking in the viewpoint of Donna Hughes, then they are being coerced into it anyway, thus following your thought process, they would be snuck in by someone else, rather than sneaking in. So what happens to them next in your theory? Arrest them, put them in jail, and when the sentence is over then deport them? That is great value for the taxpayer…….
Janice Writes: >>If you a hooker because of drugs or addictions, that’s no excuse. It’s like saying I;m a drunk so I should be able to drive drunk all I want and hit mail boxes.>>
Ok, so how about the prostitute that isn’t a drug addict. Say the one who is feeding her children because she can’t find another job in this economy? Send her to jail, put the children in foster care when the issue from the outset was economic? How is she or her children better off? How, given your preoccupation with the economy is the country better off? Not to mention the prostitute that is on drugs selling sex for money is far less a risk than your theoretical drunk driver hitting mailboxes and whatever else.
Janice writes: >>ut the women we’re talking about in this message board right here are selling themselves intentionally for money and that is WRONG. PERIOD.>>
But no we aren’t. This began and has continued to be a thread based on Donna Hughes work in Rhode Island and opposition to it. Where has Donna Hughes said her point is women selling themselves intentionally for money is wrong….. period? Donna has said a lot of things, that is not one of them.
When you say it’s wrong Janice, wrong based upon what? The bible? Because you are afraid you can’t trust your husband if there are prostitutes around him? If he is going to stray on you by paying a prostitute and she is a criminal, then we should make the “other woman” a criminal? When you talk of families getting ruined by prostitutes. Do you figure the man has no choice? That he is trafficked into buying sex from the woman? Is the man in the family that is allegedly ruined by prostitution being raped? If not, he is hiring a prostitute. Thus he has more control and choice because he is picking the prostitute and paying for the sex.
Janice writes: >>You guys do a lot of gynamstics around the idea, but you can’t escape the truth. >>
You are a worthy foe Janice. Without a doubt Ren, I and others have to be at the Nadia Comaneci level to escape the truth that you bestow.
Janice writes: >>. Selling your body for cash or drugs is a crime. If it’s forced, like slavery, >>
What about the men that buy the body? Are they guilty too? Or victims tempted by slawjaw jezebels with poisonous tongues? (I have to cite Warren Haynes for that line)
Janice you truly are for real? Not a sock puppet?
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10:21 am
Ren, you are right about the priceless statement. Wow…
Perhaps it is good that Janice is known here? Otherwise it would be hard to counter an argument that Janice was a sock puppet.
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11:42 am
I dont find that joke funny in the least. My youngest loved playing with sock puppets before he head to go to high school. I think about that almost everyday when doing the laundry.
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1:44 pm
Please tell me you are being sarcastic.
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11:59 am
Here’s an idea, maybe all you women are lacking some direction:
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1:46 pm
Sorry Beaver, but Ward and June aren’t going to give you any more siblings.
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3:45 pm
When two do marry, the woman’s body does become the property of her husband. As such, when Adam longed for a companion God gave him a helpmeet to be equal in raising a family and subservient to the husband’s dictation for the family’s service to God.
We see what happens if you let women lead the way; humanity gets cursed. When Eve lead Adam, she lead him right into the rotted bowls of sin with a fruit that was forbidden.
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3:51 pm
Have fun staying single your whole life…
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7:19 pm
Adam,thank you for the kind words. I will!! Glad to see you endorse staying single too!
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6:16 pm
“When two do marry, the woman’s body does become the property of her husband.”
No, it remains HER OWN property, you sick fuck.
“We see what happens if you let women lead the way; humanity gets cursed.”
…so says a dusty book written by nomads who were puffing the magic dragon…
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3:21 pm
I’m curious about something else Janice. The chapter in the Gospels that Jesus advises the person who is without sin to cast the first stone at the prostitute. I’m assuming had you been alive then, you would have admonished Jesus that the prostitute ruins families and should be arrested and that the Pharisees undoubtedly would do the right thing?
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3:39 pm
Did that prostitute turn from her wicked ways or does the Bible say she tried to do the do with Jesus and charge him for it? I think the lesson was that she would do the former, but you could not minister to her unless you would walk up to her with love and embrace her like you would any other person.
A sinner needs to be welcomed to church, into the body of Christ, with open arms so they may be cleansed. No wone needs cleansing more than a prostitute or in modern days, pornography prostitutes on video.
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3:45 pm
Why do I get the feeling that many here would advocate not to minister at all but instead turn her over to the Romans to arrest and imprison her as undoubtedly Pontius Pilate’s predecessors would also always do the right thing……. Just like the US Courts.
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6:55 pm
By the way, here is a little of the Good Book for you all:
“Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and the sexually immoral” (Hebrews 13:4, NIV).
“Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge” (Hebrews 13:4, KJV).
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7:17 pm
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7:21 pm
Holy Cow Stephenson! Your post is missing! I saw a foreign sex radical in a trenchcoat a few minutes ago standing around looking dubious. Do you feel they stole your words? Is that plagiarism if someone literally steals the whole post?
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7:34 pm
I was trying to post this great film but it didn’t work:
http://www.archive.org/details/Perversi1965
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3:20 pm
Looks a little gay to me, dude.
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8:32 pm
The Pope of the Catholics has even said, the “traditional teaching of the Church” on chastity outside marriage and fidelity within it had proved to be “the only sure way of preventing the spread of HIV and Aids”.
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12:54 am
L@Claire
It’s ok to be religiousist, but not “racist?”
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6:40 am
I dont like it and it should be banned or restricted.
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