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Corvino: Always and everywhere

September 4, 2009 by GenuineJaniceFun  
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  • Marriage-equality opponents frequently claim that marriage has been heterosexual since…well, since FOREVER, and that it is arrogant and foolish to tinker with such a pervasive human institution.

    Whatever its logical shortcomings, the “always and everywhere” argument is rhetorically effective. Even gay-rights advocates concede that marriage equality seemed unthinkable just a decade or two ago. Imagine how novel it appears to those who, unlike us, have no direct stake in the issue.

    It’s tempting to respond that lots of things that seemed unthinkable a few decades ago – iPhones, Facebook, Sarah Palin–are, for better or worse, now familiar. But the reluctance to tinker with marriage is deep-seated. The “always and everywhere” argument demands a response that is not only logically sound but also rhetorically compelling.

    Several responses are worth pondering. I’ve given them each names for convenience:

    (1) False premise: The claim that marriage has always been exclusively heterosexual suffers from what should be a fatal flaw: it is simply not true. Same-sex marriages have been documented in a number of cultures, notably some African and Pacific Island cultures.

    Marriage-equality opponents retort that these marriages are not quite the same as modern same-sex marriages, since they typically involve a kind of gender transformation of one of the partners. But this response is a red herring. Sure, homosexual marriages in these cultures look different from ours in various respects – but so do their heterosexual marriages.

    More important, it is doubtful that opponents would abandon their objection to contemporary same-sex marriages as long as one partner agreed to be the “wife” and the other the “husband.”

    The real problem with the “false premise” response is rhetorical: The response depends on anthropological data unfamiliar to most people, and it appeals to “exotic” cultures whose practices most Americans find irrelevant.

    (2) Heteronormativity: Rhetorical considerations would also weigh against using words like “heteronormativity” when responding to people’s basic fears about marriage. But it’s nonetheless true that the “always and everywhere” argument begs the question against those who argue – quite rightly – that the heterosexual majority tends to oppress the homosexual minority always and everywhere.

    Because of that oppression, recorded history often ignores or erases our lives and commitments.

    Keep in mind that just a few decades ago, gays and lesbians were still considered mentally ill in much of the West; even today, gays are stoned to death in parts of the world. Against that backdrop, it’s not surprising that same-sex marriage seems newfangled.

    The marriage-equality movement owes as much to an improved understanding of sexuality as it does to changing views about marriage.

    (3) Not Mandatory: Even granting the (false) premise that marriage has been heterosexual “always and everywhere,” so what? No one is proposing that same-sex marriage be made mandatory. Heterosexual marriage will continue to exist “always and everywhere” for those who seek it, even while society recognizes that it’s not appropriate for everyone. The opponents’ argument seems to play on the irrational notion that giving marriage to gays somehow means taking it away from straights.

    (4) Non-Sequitur: Let’s concede to marriage-equality opponents that history and tradition are important, and that we should be cautious about changes to major social institutions. Yet even if (contrary to fact) marriage were heterosexual “always and everywhere,” it does not follow that marriage cannot expand and evolve. One should never confuse a reasonable caution with a stubborn complacency.

    Increasingly, that complacency is more than stubborn–it’s unconscionable. Marriage-equality opponents can no longer ignore the fact that we fall in love, just like they do; that our relationships have positive effects in our lives and the lives of those around us, and that we reasonably seek to protect and nurture these relationships. If not marriage for us, then what?

    Ultimately, the problem with the “always and everywhere” argument is that each new same-sex marriage is a living counterexample to it. Whatever happened in the past, we have marriage equality now–in a small but growing number of places. These same-sex marriages are by and large bearing good fruit.

    If ignoring tradition is “arrogant and foolish,” ignoring the evidence unfolding before us is exponentially so.

    John Corvino, Ph.D. is an author, speaker, and philosophy professor at Wayne State University in Detroit. His column “The Gay Moralist” appears Fridays on 365gay.com.

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    12 Responses to “Corvino: Always and everywhere”
    1. JaniceFun says:

      How the heck are you with all this tomfooling? I didnt write all this pro gay stuff and I sad that you see fit to steal my name so much! Aren’t you ashamed when you wake up in the morning and look in the mirror and its not me? Cause your just mean and slandering and that is not right!

      “Marriage-equality opponents retort” who in the world speaks like that? You are shameful and mean and i would never go behind the whole gay thing, people might think i gone a little queer!

      and i cant hardly read this one. you need more pictures.

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    2. JaniceFun says:

      oh wait you stole this one from the some internet article! you are just like claire with the movie reviews or maybe you are her. well thiswebsite is not the good place or appropriate for your radical gay agenda. i happen to love marriage and my athlete sons and dont want them exposed to this sort of thinking in my communtiy thank you very much. this is just outrageous and wrong and should not be on the website. that mean gay corvino gonna sue you for stealing his writing!

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      • Claire says:

        “you are just like claire with the movie reviews”

        I believe I have already proven to you that I did not plagiarize when I wrote that synopsis of “Philadelphia”.

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        • Adam Nelson says:

          I didn’t see any proof, you just pulling claims out of thin air. Oh, just like the claims of evolution! Get delivered, friend. I’ll be praying for you.

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          • Claire says:

            I provided more proof that my synopsis was NOT plagiarized than you provided that it was plagiarized. If YOU think that something has been plagiarized, it’s YOUR responsibility to prove that it’s plagiarized,
            NOT the author’s responsibility to prove that it’s not plagiarized.

            And I’m not your friend, you sexist piece of shit.

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      • JaniceFun says:

        Obviously it wasn’t stolen since the author’s name (and picture!) were provided in the article.

        and “and i cant hardly read this one. you need more pictures”.

        Sweetie, you don’t “read” pictures. And this wasn’t a children’s book, it was an editorial.

        You prove time and again an observation I made a number of years ago:

        You have to pass tests and get a license to drive a car — a lethal weapon if not handled properly — but ANY IDIOT CAN BREED!

        HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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        • JaniceFun says:

          your just plain ignorant. i couldnt go and steal roger ebert or dr laura slessinger and put her on the websites even if i put there names there as well. its called copyright for a reason you childish fool. you just cant go doing these things and with the gays in particular. you dont know nothing about the internet why are you here, fake jerk?

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    3. R.S. Swift says:

      Bravo! Finally something on this site I agree with!

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    4. Adam Nelson says:

      This is why I don’t like the community journalsim submit link thing. There is nothing good about gay conventions as they only serve as cesspools of disease.

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    5. The Defiant Soldier says:

      So what you are saying is that they go to these convention and just fuck? They are there for support because they cannot find it in waht we call normal everyday society. They gather to have a sense of belonging. Such as gangs, and cults, cliques, AA Groups, and the entire christian church. You all gather together to support one another. It’s only a small percent of you that try to fix the world though. Only this small percent that like to feed themselves with their own bullshit off the internet so that they can feel important. If this is not true in any way, viva le` resistance.

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    6. The Defiant Soldier says:

      And JaniceFun sounds like a Stripper name.

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