Poll: Is It Okay for A Christian Husband to Gently Beat His Wife
Several months ago, I had a frank discussion in a Townhall meeting, on a very controversial subject: discipline in the family.
As America has grown liberal in recent years, it has grown out of fashion to punish one’s children or wife with swift strikes of a switch or belt. The time has come where such actions could lead to punitive dictates by a court of law.
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My question to the public was grounded in one simple fact: the more a man allows his family to break order and lack discipline, the more we see rise in negative things in our culture: high divorce rate, teenage pregnancy, obesity, high crime rate, gun violence, school violence and increased spread in drug use.
Men no longer dominate their homes with morality. Instead, households worldwide are liberal breeding grounds. When I published the original article, Is It Okay For A Christian Husband to Gently Beat His Wife, there was a surprising outrage from men and women, as if I dared to mention more than chastisement. Emails and even phone calls from those who have obtained my contact information continue to this day. Why is America so bent on allowing its own destruction.
Children and women need guidance: the Bible makes this fact abundantly clear and since the 1950s, when true, loving discipline started to lose ground, we have all bore witness to the cultural decay that results.
Wives do need gentle ‘prodings’ when they step out of line, much like children. Much as you would swiftly rap a child’s hand should he try to stick a fork in an electrical outlet, the same one may need to do to a wife’s cheek should she challenge authority in a damaging way. “NO,” you should tell her should she do something that is harmful to her or the family, but she may be too fickle or naive to immediately see.
As it stands, it is always good to get an official barometer on such things. I’ve forwarded this poll to several interest groups so they can pitch in with opinions and votes. Should men gently discipline their wives in a loving manner, such as is done with children? Please vote in the poll up above and politely share any additional thoughts you may have on this subject.
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7:51 pm
As long as love and respect are used, there is nothing wrong with it.
Hot debate. What do you think?
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8:08 pm
You will get lots of ‘love’ in prision from your cell mate bubba when you end up killing your wife or kids with these so called gentle beatings.
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1:39 am
hey adam long time no see its been awile man you still have the bong i gave you last thursday?
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10:11 pm
im going to beat you with love and respect!!! you cant beat someone with love or respect only hate!!! there is no god
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10:32 am
This publisher and those that hold his beliefs are exactly what is wrong with society and give religion a bad reputation! You are narrow minded and your views are horrendous.
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10:57 am
Hey, but what about us non-christian husbands? What about our rights? Our wives deserve gentle beatings too! What about their rights?
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2:53 am
what is wrong with you people? honestly.
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2:55 am
you are an idiot.
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3:18 am
adam, go get some lubricant to keep yourself occupied. maybe if you work up that right hand, you can finally use it for “gentle taps”.
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7:55 pm
ABSOLUTELY NOT! Women and Men are God’s loving creations and should NOT hurt or use violence against each other, under any circumstances, NONE! Jesus would not approve. WHO ARE YOU CRAZY PEOPLE THAT THINKS IT’S OK?!
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3:05 pm
theres no such thing as love or respect when you hit another person. fucking dick.
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11:43 am
There is no way to “respectfully” denigrate someone, by definition you’re disrespecting them.
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8:02 pm
Gently beating someone is a oxymoron you people
should be locked up..
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8:03 pm
There is a difference between abuse and a gentle rebuke.
How would you handle a child who just ran out into the street? You’d tap them on the backside and say “no, no”. That’s all Chuck is saying here, and you know that is fine.
Hot debate. What do you think?
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4:20 pm
do you mean if my wife runs into the street I can gently beat her?
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3:01 am
Adam Nelson… how about i tap you on the backside you stupid, ignorant, son of a bitch.
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11:40 am
Ooh, ooh, can I tap your ass too?
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8:17 pm
Next time you beat your wife can you send me a video, I like that kind of stuff
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9:14 pm
Women are NOT children. If any man ever tries to discipline me, no matter how “gentle” the beatings are, I’ll turn him from a rooster to a hen with one snip. Women have the same level of intelligence as men do, which is why we will not stand for being treated like children.
“How would you handle a child who just ran out into the street? You’d tap them on the backside and say “no, no”. That’s all Chuck is saying here, and you know that is fine.”
No, that is NOT fine. As I said above, to treat a grown person as you would treat a child simply because said person has two X chromosomes is DEGRADING and DISRESPECTFUL to the nth degree. Being treated as an intellectual, physical, and emotional inferior is just as bad as physical violence. NEITHER are acceptable, regardless of how “gently” a husband beats his wife. “Gently beat”, by the way, is an oxymoron.
FUCK what your bible says. We live in AMERICA, and in AMERICA we do not tolerate sexism and male supremacy.
This is the 21st Century; men no longer dominate women, and any man who thinks he does needs to put down his bible and take a whiff of the real world.
The only way that spousal abuse is okay is if wives are allowed to “gently beat” their husbands when they get out of line. Of course, you Christians would never agree to that, because you have no balls, and thus feel the need to oppress women.
IN CONCLUSION: Physical contact as a means of discipline is NEVER right, as it:
1. implies that there is a dominant member of a relationship, which is socially unacceptable in 21st Century America
2. is a violation of trust between spouses
3. is based on the archaic and FALSE belief that women are inferior and are no smarter than children
4. teaches that violence is an acceptable means of conveying a message
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12:36 am
I agree with everything you said, Claire, but you need to remember who is the majority in this country. The religious sheep vastly outnumber the intellectuals in this country now, so they seem to be the ones in control, since no one seems to be willing to stand together and actually act to stop this mess. You are right, America used to not tolerate sexism and male supremacy, but now these guys are going to bring us back to the bronze age…
Where spitting on wounds was an acceptable way to treat the obvious demons possessing you to cause such an injury.
Where sea monsters were an actual hazard when going out onto the ocean.
Where one person’s imaginary friend can tell them to do something, and they get commended for doing as God told them.
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10:45 pm
Females are completely equal to men.
There is absolutely no reason that a women should tolerate a man beating her.
No matter how “gentle” it is, it is abuse.
Men wouldn’t dare let women beat them, and it should be the same vice versa.
What kind of people are writing these articles?
I believe that everyone is entitled to his/her opinion, but who could HONESTLY believe these terrible unjust things?
Christianity, and religion in general should be about love and respect and acceptance. We have it in our lives to help us feel safe and secure, NOT to teach us to abuse and hurt.
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8:58 am
Religion has been the cause of 90% of all wars in this world. what is just and right about that?
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2:23 am
Silence, rib. I’m shocked you would allow a child to repeatedly run into a busy street, sans discipline. I guess you really do lack a mothering instinct.
Hot debate. What do you think?
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2:33 am
Bad parenting doesn’t give any one the right to hit a child
you fucktard.
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3:02 am
Gentle taps are perfectly fine, much like you’d do a naughty dog or lippy wife.
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12:58 pm
Um, newsflash: Beatings aren’t “gentle taps”
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10:15 pm
OM MY GOD…yup yarways name in vain fuck your god im going to beat you with love and respect!!!
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3:06 am
and yet again.. you should probably silence your opinion on EVERYTHING. You are a waste of life.
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4:03 am
if violence is the only way you can get authority over a kid then you should not even have the right to raise children as you are in no way capabel of raising them properly. the chances of a kid who has been raised with hitting becomeing a criminal rebeling teenager is far higher then that of a kid who have been show dicipline through other more civil means.
yes that same problem in teens you are fighting is that same problem you are creating. it’s a vicious circle where your kids will come to the undersatnding that if someone doesn’t do what they want it’s perfectly okay to harm them physicaly and to make things worse they’ll pass it on to THEIR kids aswell.
violence solves nothing it only creates more violence. so if you ever get asaulted in anyway remeber it’s you teachings that most likely is the cause of that asault.
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1:03 pm
Um, how would she be “allowing kids to run into the street”? She doesn’t need to be violent to actually put forth effort and watch a small child. Violence is what happens when people like you don’t want to put forth the effort to watch a child, and prefer to do all your teaching after they make a mistake. REAL parents will teach their children to make better judgements beforehand, by actually showing them to not make mistakes like going out into the street. BAD parents wait until they make a mistake, and beat them to scare them from doing that bad thing. The result of the latter is a child who has learned that if someone does something you don’t agree with, you beat them down mercilessly.
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4:07 pm
“Silence, rib.”
I came from my mother’s egg and my father’s sperm, not from some asswhipe’s rib.
“I’m shocked you would allow a child to repeatedly run into a busy street, sans discipline.”
Now where did I say that? Regardless of whether my ambitions run to motherhood or not, I do have a protective instinct, and I would NEVER allow a child to run into a street, busy or otherwise. However, I would also NEVER punish him/her via physical means. I wouldn’t even “discipline” per say, I would sit the child down and talk to him/her in a firm yet even tone, explaining the dangers of playing in the street and why it’s important that he/she NEVER do it again. Using physical contact as a means of discipline only teaches that violence is okay if you’re trying to communicate a message. It is not okay. The only time violence is okay is to put racist, sexist, intolerant jackasses like you, Adam, in their place.
“I guess you really do lack a mothering instinct.”
I have a mothering instinct when it comes to animals, and I have a protective instinct (as female AND males have) when another person or an animal is in danger. I would absolutely not sit back and watch another person (especially a child) get hurt.
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4:26 pm
Now I see it’s for the best that you do not want kids. Your poor two-year-old would run onto a highway, and then you’d invite him home for a nice tea and perhaps marmalade on crackers, while you discussed the finer points of why it is dangerous to run into the street and the trauma it could cause.
That’s of course exaggerated, and the point is that you cannot reason to young children with words. You convey negative reinforcement with acceptable discipline (softer swat to backside, soft rap upon the hand, giving a stern no with face serious). This allows their brain to associate the combined negative response to them running into the street.
Hot debate. What do you think?
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5:49 pm
If your kid is old enough to be running into a street in the first place, you can communicate through words instead of using physical discomfort as a means of negative reinforcement. You’re not even supposed to use negative reinforcement when training a dog, you use positive reinforcement.
My parents never once laid as much as a finger on me or my sister, and we didn’t turn into misbehaving monsters. Far from it, in fact. The same goes for all of our friends.
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6:02 pm
Yet you constantly cuss and threaten people with violence. That’s hardly good behavior, Claire.
Hot debate. What do you think?
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5:08 pm
You don’t have a leg to stand on in this disagreement, Adam. Seeing as how you are promoting beating animals and women as a form of domination. (sounds more like a sexual fetish than a form of discipline for some people like Adam. Not saying he is into that, but really, what other reason would you want to strike women and animals as much as he?)
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1:59 pm
Though I slightly disagree with Claire, you Adam, can’t accept that the sky-wizard isn’t real, nor is the cosmic zombie, and to say she’s violent? Your every bad, and think violence is ok.
I do believe a smack on the wrist often attracts a childs attention then they throw a paddy, enough time for you to tell them “You do NOT run into a road, its very bad.”
Unlike Adam who believes its “ARGHHh!!! *SMACK SMACK SMACK SMACK”"
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3:09 am
you are the piece of shit stuck to the bottom of my shoe.
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4:11 am
Did you just say, “silence, ‘rib’”? You do know that female homosapiens weren’t “created” from a rib, right?
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3:50 am
“Silence,rib?”
Oh Good grief! You really are in the Dark Ages aren’t you? Well sir Adam, how doth thy likest to thyne own head hence forthwith werefore in thine own arse, pray tell?
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9:13 am
Thank you Claire,
I am a Christian. I love Jesus more than anything in this world and it scares me to think about the wackos out there calling themselves Christians, but treating their fellow HUMAN BEINGS as though they are less than that. We have come so far in our society, yet so many “christians” can’t seem to get it. Christians should be LOVING people. Jesus told us that the most important thing we should remember to do is to love God and love PEOPLE. Treating your wife as though she is inferior to you isn’t love – no matter how you back it up with “biblical evidence.” Women are adults, not children and should be treated as equals. Thank you for your comments Claire – I could not have said it better myself.
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5:21 pm
Read your bible more carefully. Men are dominant over women in the christian god’s eyes.
Hot debate. What do you think?
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4:20 am
Learn your history re: the Bible; how and when it was edited and put together, and for what purpose. Believing in the bible literally only shows superstition, ignorance and the inability to think critically. The bible is a work of semi-historical fiction.
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11:10 am
You are the funniest people in America, period. But here is my question or questions:
“Hey, but what about us non-christian husbands? What about our rights? Our wives deserve gentle beatings too! What about their rights? Hmmm?”
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7:37 pm
The problem with articles like this one is that it causes people who aren’t familiar with the bible to think that God would ever condone such a thing! Jesus not only showed us how to live our life the way that is pleasing to God but he also is an example of how a Godly husband should treat his wife. One of the ways Jesus is described is a a bridegroom. How did Jesus treat his “wife”(the church, or followers)? He died for them and for all of us. I would encourage everyone to read the scriptures if only to prove ridiculous articles like this one wrong. Don’t ever let anyone tell you what the bible says. Read it for yourself and know for yourself. God is big enough, and so full of grace and mercy, that he can handle any question we have. In fact he desires our communication. He doesn’t want blind followers. He wants us to think and question. He gave us our intellect(men and women alike) and he wants us to use it. Don’t let people who obviously need to spend more time figuring out what Gods will is and less time spouting their own beliefs drive you away from God. Know this above all else- God is love, mercy, grace and goodness and He truly wants a relationship with each and everyone of us. God Bless and please say a prayer for the battered women and children of this world.
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11:18 am
Get back in the kitchen you worthless sluts. You women have no rights, you’re all inferior to men and deserve to live under our feet like the good little bitches you are.
/sarcasm.
If you need to discipline your wife for doing something completely stupid, just because she believes she can do whatever she wants, and thus turns into a mindless slut– do so. There’s nothing wrong with smacking someone to their senses, in fact, if it is used just to discipline in crucial times, then nothing will happen.
lrn2notbealiberalfaggot.
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3:23 am
Christian Husband,
1. you are a tool.
2. you are a useless tool.
3. you probably work at Walmart.
4. you probably should not speak.
5. ohh, you probably can’t speak most of the English language anyways.
6. that’s all.
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4:03 am
I am a male and I approve of Claire’s reply….100 per cent.
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3:00 am
The Bible will still be a standard and a means of instruction for us humans, but I totally agree with you. Please do not blame the Bible for one man’s “Alpha Wolf” attitude. It’s HIM, (Chuck, Not the Bible that is at fault here.
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10:14 pm
I think men’s shouldn’t ”gentle beat” women and women can beat men
Justice. HA!
Seriously, there are too many others solutions than this fucking shit. Like, COMMUNICATION. You know what? Women are able to understand men. It’S amazing, isn’t it ? They can talk to each other as normal persons. Yes, maybe she or he could don’t want to talk for example when the wife or husband cheat (yes, husband can cheat wife, too) the other. I know you are against the divorce and all, but what do you said about second chance? Without violence, you know. And otherwise, just leave the other person without divorce! But anyway, it’s not your christian psychology, so …
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11:48 pm
You guys are FUCKING nuts!!! Gently beating someone is still beating someone!!! Your whats wrong with America right now!
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12:46 am
Wow. Fake votes, much?
Hot debate. What do you think?
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1:29 am
Yeah that poll is as fake as billings is flaming.
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4:10 am
yeah it’s not even convincing… over 1000 votes in less than one day? bullshit.
exactly 1400? bullshit.
80 times the votes compared to comments? bullshit
just wish we could actually see the counter for how many visters this article has even had.
oh and even going so far as to say that this poll is geuine and teh site with it and it actually has the foloowers it claims… then it’s be like asking alquda if the bombing of world trade center was okay…most likely you’d get a resounding yes. ergo we have now concluded that 9/11 was justified. or that this poll is b ullshit. your call.
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5:19 am
Look at how the liberals whinge and complain when things do not go their way. I cannot wait to post this to more sites when I get up for the day, so we see an ever larger seperation of stats.
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6:08 am
i guess you atre willing to take 9/11 as a perfectly fair event. oh well.
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3:20 pm
You’re being fallacious.
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4:03 am
oh am i? i ot 98% yes rate when i asked if 9/11 was okay
the fact that i asked on alqua´f´das suport side is irelevant
either that or asking chritians men who hit their wives if it’s okay that they hit their wives is just as fallacious.
and seeing as you suport one of them you must suport both. ergo 9/11 is a justified event.
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12:54 pm
We protest the use of manipulating false poll results in order to spread hate. If you consider that whining, then you would be correct but only by your own (incorrect) definition of the word.
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4:24 pm
Christians get ten votes because Jeebus loves them more.
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2:57 am
Could you put up another poll: Is it OK for a Christian wife to gently beat her husband?
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3:01 am
That’s not even Biblical.
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3:05 am
Aha! So, if it happened in the bible, it’s fair. That’s what you’re saying?
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4:05 am
well then can i buy your daughter as a slave?
that IS biblical.
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12:51 pm
No, but stoning those that don’t believe as you do is completely biblical. As is slave ownership, sea monsters, and child labor/pedophilia (House servants in the bronze age were more often children than not. And were often abused sexually due to marital conflicts. You do not hear about these things, because complaining would only earn you an early death, because these were perfectly acceptable so long ago).
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7:03 am
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4:30 pm
This is the great post and this post is rally very informatics , it is knowledgeable and I liked to thanks to the booger.
Been speaking English long? And whose “booger” are we talking about?
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4:08 pm
“You’re being fallacious.”
You said that exact same thing in another thread. As I said before, you probably jack off to that word, you seem to love it so much.
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6:47 pm
No, that would be spelled “fellatious.”
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3:24 am
Yeah, it kinda sounds like the word, “Fellatio” oral sex on thy penis, which is also known as fellation.
It seem as if Chuck Regan has some sort of “oral” fixation.
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4:31 pm
Hey Chuck, I know you think your going to heaven and you’re meeting Jesus, I am sure the first thing he will say is “Hey nice job giving your wife a smack down, I mean if I had married that whore Mary I would have beat her up the side of her head”
Chuck, you’re not Christian, you’re not going to heaven and you are so misguided that one can only think that your father must have beat you senseless when you were a child.
Get some help Chuck, you really need it.
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4:35 pm
You should be atoning for the sins of your forefathers instead of trying to pass judgment on good Christians who believe in the Holy Savior, and therefore, shall inherit the kingdom of heaven.
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4:53 pm
Okay…this is where I draw the fucking line Adam. I wasn’t going to post in here, since Claire was doing a wonderful job, showing how much of an idiot you and your cohorts are. But when you mock the Jews, this is where I draw the FUCKING LINE! I am Jewish, was raised Jewish, and not once have I, nor any of my Jewish friends by chastised by our christian friends for the “sins of our forefathers”. Their is absolutely no fucking proof that the Jews betrayed Jesus or hell that Jesus was even real, and don’t you fucking dare say the Bible is proof. The bible is not a fact, when you look at a book of facts not one mention of the bible is made. Even if Jews did betray Jesus, you are calling your own savior sinful, since NEWS FLASH Jesus was Jewish. That beautiful portrait by Lenoardo the last supper was a JEWISH SEDAR! Get your head out of your mideival woman beating ass, and get some friends.
Hot debate. What do you think?
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Jesus and his mother were white, likely citizens of the Roman empire who lived in a Jewish area. Look at the paintings in various cathedrals and you will get a decent rendition from inspired artists.
And even in the off chance that Jesus had any Hebrew ancestry, the fact remains that the Children of Israel betrayed the Old Covenant and have much for which to atone, and since they do not accept Christ as savior, I’m not sure where that leaves them. I’m not God, I just know they should be more focused on their eternal salvation then trying to disrespect people who are definitely going to heaven.
Hot debate. What do you think?
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7:20 pm
It i a common known fact that in the bible Jesus is Jewish, your good friend Abe will probably tell you that. You…go to heaven? I gawk at the idea of you getting into heaven. You are a hateful moron, who will burn in hell, and suffer by the very thing you hate….everlasting sodomy by three large grotesque dicks.
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9:16 pm
Jesus … roman … wow you smoked something
Its was not part of roman empire until Much the end of jesus life ( when he was around 30 years old) if ever he existed
( I didn’t said there was no roman soldier in the arab area )
but its was not Part of the empire yet
anyway the Poll is Rigged why because we are at Most 200 people visiting this site or actually taken the Polls
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2:36 am
Um, Adam? Honey? You know that inscription on the cross, INRI? You’re a good Christian, so I’m guessing you know that what INRI stands for is “Iesus Nazarenus, Rex Iaedorum” (some spelling on that last one may be incorrect)– which means, if you did not know, “Jesus of Nazareth, King of the JEWS”. Yeah. Not the Christians. JEWS. Jews. J-E-W-S. Jesus was Jewish, darling, sorry to tell you.
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3:35 am
Hey! Listen you hypocrital ass! I am a Messianic Jew. I read the Bible, i know the Bible. But I do not recall anywhere where it says thet the Jewish offspring must pay for the sins of their ancestors. Wasn’t that suppossed to be what Chrst Died for? And didn’t Paul say that Christianity is for both the Jews and the Gentiles. I could debate with youon this till the rapture! But from what I am gathering about you, I see it would be a massive waste of my time! Praise the Lord, for His ways are the ways of the Jew and The Gentile, which has been grafted to the tree, and has florished!
Shalom!
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4:22 pm
Adam, I think you are far too old to still believe in fairy tales. Don’t forget to eat your vegetables, or you wont go to after-life playland!
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6:15 pm
“Yet you constantly cuss and threaten people with violence. That’s hardly good behavior, Claire.”
The only people I threaten with violence are you Christwire douchenozzles who disrespect women, black people, Asians, and everyone else who isn’t a white Christian male. You also threaten violence upon innocent animals. As an animal rights activist, I feel that they have more of a right to live than you do, Adam, thus I will protect them at any cost. If it means cutting your balls off, so be it.
And off the internet, I’m a very nice, shy kid who gets along with everybody.
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6:23 pm
Well perhaps you should leave the internet behind, because it’s making you a very mean person. It is not nice to say you will ‘cut off your b*lls’ and such, Claire.
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6:39 pm
Yeah, well, it’s not nice to claim that women are inferior, either. In fact, claiming that an entire gender of people is inferior to the other is much, much worse than me threatening to cut off one miserable dude’s nuts.
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3:45 am
Now this is becoming hilarious! (LOL)
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6:44 pm
One is not even true, if you’re implying that I’ve done such, and even then, it would be freedom of speech. You, on the other hand, actively threaten to commit violence. There is nothing nice or right about that, in any regard.
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7:11 pm
“One is not even true, if you’re implying that I’ve done such”
Oh yes it is true, don’t even try to deny it. You refer to myself and other women as “rib”, you believe that the man is the head of the household, that women have the intelligence of children, that men have the right to “discipline” women as though they’re children. You’ve criticized my writing many times as being plagiarism simply because your brain cannot comprehend that a “mere woman” could possibly put together a coherent sentence. There’s plenty of evidence of your sexism in this thread alone.
“it would be freedom of speech.”
Freedom of speech doesn’t extend to insulting over half of the world’s population. Sorry.
“You, on the other hand, actively threaten to commit violence.”
You’ve threatened violence against animals and you said that, if you had the power of god, you would strike down every single Haitian with the plague. I don’t see what’s so “nice or right about that”, either, dipshit, especially for a wannabe doctor. If killing you means saving the lives of other human beings and animals, I’d gladly assume the responsibility.
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4:07 am
this comeing from the guy who activly encourage GENOCIDE!?!?!?!
seriosuly stop the hypocracy
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4:36 pm
Hmmm … freedom of speech people abuse of it seriously these is thing you can said other thing you can’t reread your constitution again Its the Problem with american they bash on every other nation because of their “freedom of speech”
when sometimes you should simply Shut Up
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5:52 am
Hey Claire! Can I get your number you sassy thing? I don’t take any guff from any of my women, and i know you want a strong, disciplinarian man like myself to keep you on your hinges
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3:58 pm
I agree with the poll and this Adam guy. I think all Christian men should start beating their wives so more of these dumb broads would wake up and relize just how stupid this shit is and that there is no god. I mean if you’re gonna do it, do it right. Christians should bring back stonings, bring back child rape (too late), incest. ALL of it. So the next time I see some fat, pushy, Christian cunt on television talking about how tiger woods is disapointment, or about how there should be no sex or cursing in the media because “think about the children” or calling Obama hitler, I can at least take solice in the fact that, even though I don’t get to smack her, some one is. I’m for anything that involves more christians being beaten. Fuck’em, they made their choices. I bet you conversion rates will go down.
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4:18 pm
And Claire, Christian are stuipd but most of your post make you sound like a 14 year old girl with delusions of grandeur. “cut of your balls to protect an innocent animal”? Who the fuck are you? One of those PETA Nazis. You’re not gonna do anything but go back to your cubicle and hope your boss doesn’t walk by as you type this shit out. These dudes who support this are ass hole scum bags. But u just kinda suck. I mean that in the nicest way possible. But I bet you’re one of those people that when people meet you they just think you suck and they can’t put their finger on it. I donno. Learn how to form an argument rather than just threaten the other side with violence form the safety of a MacBook keyboard. You’re not going to do anything to anyones balls
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5:11 pm
Hon? You are defeating yourself with your own argument. You are using childish peer pressure scare tactics, which don’t work once you actually get a job in the real world (and I don’t mean a “McJob” or something like that)
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6:25 pm
Oh, i really have no argument other than the fact that I am FOR any christian getting beaten at any time. All of these dudes should be beating their wives. They’ll go to jail and these dumb christian whores will give up on this antiquated religion. Also that, while I somewhat agree with Claire, I think she’s just a sucky person. Then latter’s more personal opinion than anything else though. Doesn’t she just seem like a boring pile of shit? Feel free to disagree with me.
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5:26 pm
Well i like some TAU-TAU’s of my boyfriend and he likes too
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8:55 pm
This guy is nuts and I feel stupid for wasting time reading his article!
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8:56 pm
ummm….no.
Its illegal. Spousal abuse in any form is illegal. It has been for like 20 years. I really hate how this site perverts the bible and its meaning. Everyone who thinks this is ok should go to hell. A man who hits women is a coward and most likely has a mental illness or a small penis.
Have a nice day
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11:07 pm
The Bible teaches men and women alike to respect each other. It does talk a lot about women abiding by men’s wishes, but it was created in a very different time. Equality of the sexes is a fact of modern life whether you want to accept that or not so I think this question is rather offensive.
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10:04 am
Given I don’t think that smacking a child is acceptable, I’m not going to accept smacking of adults.
Except if they’re getting a good seeing too
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10:06 am
Woman has a bit more fat even so you can give them loving taps a bit harder than a child.
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2:01 pm
What Paki taught you English?
Loving taps, if anything, is patting someone on the back, not slapping them around the face and then kicking them whilst they are on the floor.
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4:51 pm
Abe, it would appear your BRAIN has a bit more fat. Does this mean I can bang it off the floor until you get it into your head that spousal abuse is illegal and neither sex is inferior. No, it doesn’t, because that’s illegal too. But I damn well wish it wasn’t.
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9:33 am
Are you sure your Sister isnt your wife.
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6:02 pm
In the case of physical discipline for children there is clear biblical precedent for this:
http://godhatesbrats.com/
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7:21 pm
Chuck and minions:
I polled God and He said that if you get out of line, I get to gently beat you. Clear your calender; it’s going to take awhile.
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7:37 pm
wwjd? he wouldn’t beat anyone.
btw, as a parent, you can’t tell your kid that hitting is wrong and then hit them…. and study after study shows that kids who are spanked or hit by their parents grow up to show more aggressive behavior. where do they learn it?
as a husband, I would never raise my hand at my wife. A relationship is built on love and respect. We don’t rely on violence. We talk things out intelligently. Using physical force is disrespectful. This is just misogynistic BS. There is no such thing as gentle hitting. Physical violence is physical violence; period end of story. Use of physical violence is unnecessary and accomplishes nothing. It resolves nothing. It’s a power move based on intimidation rather than thoughtfulness and rational intelligence.
I can’t even believe people are having this conversation is pathetic.
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9:33 pm
Holy fuck. 2/3 of you Christian idiots think domestic violence is ok? Unreal. This is just one of the many reasons I am an athiest.
How about you nut jobs adapt your insane teachings to the 21st century? Oh hai, we’ve realized domestic violence is NOT ok. Of course, we’ve also realized that the Earth is not 10,000 years old and many of you are still arguing that one… so I suppose this is hopeless.
Religion really is a source of evil on this planet.
If Satan did somehow exist, you can bet he would be the source of all organized religion.
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9:37 pm
Your language is not very polite, Sandor.
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9:52 pm
Ugh… I feel like vomiting.
Seriously? Wife-beating? This is sick.
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10:02 pm
There is a difference between wife beating, which is sick and God does not approve, and then not sparing the rod as ordered in the Bible. There is a big difference and you know it.
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8:27 am
No, there isn’t a difference. Your silly book of rules was written by 20 different people over thousands of years. Many of those rules are absurd and YOU know that. For example, do you think people who eat shell fish should be killed?
I have to assume no.
So if some rules that used to be death penalty rules are now ignored, why not also accept that other rules are ALSO fucking ridiculous. Like hitting your wife. Which we will arrest you for.
You know, this website has to be a very elaborate internet flame attempt. It just has to be. No one could actually believe this shit.
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3:13 pm
“There is a difference between wife beating, which is sick and God does not approve, and then not sparing the rod as ordered in the Bible. There is a big difference and you know it.”
There is not a difference. Men and women are EQUAL, regardless of what your little book of fairy tales says. Even if the wife doesn’t get hurt as badly during “discipline” as she does during violent beatings, it’s still an abuse of power and is still based on the false and archaic belief that women are inferior beings with the minds of children. What’s even more insulting is that you’ll say these things about women, Adam, and then claim to not be sexist. Men “discipline” their wives and beat their wives for the same reason: they feel inadequate because they have tiny dicks so they look for a reason to beat up on their wives because doing so makes them feel “manly”.
IN CONCLUSION: Men who demean their wives via the use of “discipline” and men who beat their wives into comas have pencil dicks and no balls. End of story. So by “disciplining” or beating up their wives, men are not only telling the world that they have no respect for women, but that they have microscopic genitalia.
So go fall in a wood-chipper, you little wussy prick.
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6:34 pm
Adam…stop dude!!! You are the reason Christians and conservatives get such a bad rap. You really need to read Ephesians chapter 5 again. And don’t stop at verse 22…read it all the way through in its entirety. Especially the instructions for husbands and how they should treat their wives. I think you missed something the first time. After reading …consider this. When you beat your wife…you are hurting yourself and disrespecting the Lord. God Bless.
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10:23 pm
Why is your wife running out in the street? She should be in the kitchen making dinner then submitting willingly to her husband’s ministrations. If she has enough time to run out in the street then the husband’s duty is to remove major appliances one-by-one until the wife has enough work to keep her busy.
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8:41 pm
I think it’s okay for a Christian man to gently beat his wife… as long as he’s Christian and as long as it’s gentle. After all, enough is enough. However, if the wife is Christian and the husband is not, I think she should probably beat the $#!t out of him! Wait a second, wait a second… I may have this all wrong. Didn’t Christ say “Blessed are the meek?”
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11:28 am
If its okay for a husband to gently beat his wife, its also cool if a wife gently beats her husband, right?
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10:09 pm
Why all the heated discussion? This is obviously a satirical website so no need to get heated. Any people out there who actually do believe these notions are so few and far between and FAR OUT that they aren’t even really worth acknowledging. Good day
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8:09 pm
Hi, I just wanted to say this is sick and perverse. What’s next.. ? Are people allowed to beat themselves in penance? Can we beat people who SHOULD be doing penance? Is it okay to hit women who aren’t married to you because they’re doing wrong? Maybe you should just hit your wife every oh.. third thirday of every second month? Or maybe she’s a feisty little feminist and needs a smack administered at 2 o’clock every Saturday? Can you beat your wife on Sunday? Is it okay to leave marks? What if you wife calls the police.. do you have protection under your first amendment rights to beat her? What if your wife is more Godly than you? What then? Does that mean she can beat you? What if both parents are athiests and their children are saved? Does that mean your kids can hit you? What if your wife votes pro-life? What then.. maybe you should tie her up… keep her in a closet and force her to bear child? If she has twins.. should you kill one of them because it’s the devil? What about jews.. should they all be killed because they killed Jesus..? Is it OKAY to bomb abortion clinics.. ? Maybe so.. they’re killing right… oh wait.. it says thou shalt not kill.. What about black people? Do they have souls?
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5:36 pm
Hey Christians…. this is your own website… your own poll… your own outdated moronic beliefs. Look closely now at the balance…. how does it feel to know you’re losing? You keep on losing… someday there might be none of you left.
Kinda makes me feel warm and cozy.
It feels good to win.
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2:24 pm
Haha wow when this author dies hes going to go straight to hell and it is going to be nothing but pissed off wives and psychotic children who were abused kicking the shit out of him for eternity. What a moronic dick. That mustache he has kinda makes him look like Satan.
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10:32 am
Are you out of your mind? “Wives do need gentle ‘prodings’ when they step out of line, much like children.” Are these “conservative” values?
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10:46 am
I tried beating my wife, but it turns out she liked it. I had to pray for forgiveness for giving my wife pleasure that was not affiliated with procreation.
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5:37 pm
Is this guy for real? Are you sure this isn’t a trick perpetrated by The Onion?
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7:43 am
Whatever this man says….if you want truth…read the Bible folks:)
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8:39 pm
Is It Okay for A Christian Wife to Gently Beat Her Husband?
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9:23 am
The last bloke I saw hitting his wife- ended up with both knee caps smashed and a broken arm. The reason for the one broken arm was so that he could wipe his own ass. She left him not long after that.
Now here is the funny part – the reason. For not packing the lunch basket properly.
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12:43 am
Of course the man in the household is the head of the household, that is why God made him the tallest and the strongest. All women want to be told what to do, better to be told by a loving Christian man than a bunch of baloney coming from womens magazines.
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6:45 am
Just stumbled across this site – I didn’t know The Onion were branching out.
This is an abhorrent poll. It is never all right for a husband to beat a wife – gently or otherwise. There are laws against that. However it is always acceptable to beat religious bigots who try to force their backward medieval beliefs on the Twenty First Century. And not beat them gently either.
And please, pray for me to be boycotted by you. That will give me definite proof I’m living my life right.
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9:04 am
“Men no longer dominate their homes with morality”
Who is this god that you serve?
Got to love redneck America.
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10:07 am
After gently beating my wife to death I was incadesant with rage when I was imprisoned for breaking the law! Fortunatly one of the prison guards (My new superior)Gently beat the anger out of me.
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3:31 pm
if you asked me this in person, I’d probably slap the shit out of you, and whip you with your belt in public.
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5:09 pm
This begs the question: Who Would Jesus Beat?
Also, this site is hilarious, it’s like the Onion written by Glenn Beck if he were funny or talented or could write (and/or read)
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5:12 pm
This simple BEGS the question: Who Would Jesus Beat?
Also, this site is hilarious, like the Onion written by Glenn Beck if he was funny or talented or could write (and/or read).
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5:57 pm
Let me begin by saying that all of you who oppose the corporal punishment of a child are complete idiots. I was raised to not hit a woman but I’m beginning to change my mind since my daughters behave better than my wife does. My wife also steps up and hits me so if she can fight like a man then I believe that it is my right and responsibility to my daughters to hit back like a man. Maybe if I would have busted her in the cheek a few times she would know not to abandon me at work to go out with her friends. Maybe if I would have busted her in the cheek a few times she would know that she has responsibilities to help keep the house clean and raise our daughters. Maybe if I would have busted her in the cheek a few times I would not have to worry about infidelity and with another woman no less. So I completely back this man of God for his ability to stand up and show the world how things really should be done to pull in the reins and get a grip on things.
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1:03 am
We no longer, well, most of us, anyway, think it is OK to stone women for infidelity, and it is (thankfully) against the law to beat women, whatever your religious persuasion.
I am grateful that in the Greek Orthodox Church we don’t sink to the level of discussing the pros and cons of wife beating. It is unacceptable, and absolutely insane to try to consider women as inferior child-like beings needing the moral authority of men to beat them into line.
Oh, and by the way, women are also not possessions.
I thank God I am not a member of the Christian Taliban.
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3:16 am
I’m just sitting here picturing beating the crap out of my husband gently in love each time the idiot can’t find the jam jar that is right in front of him in the cupboard. If God wanted men to lord it over their wives – why did he make them such morons?
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11:53 am
Is this the Christian Onion site? I would have thought you would link to the Onion page. Between “Is my Husband Gay” and this thread, I haven’t laughed this hard in a long time
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11:54 am
Wow, I’ve never read so much pitiful male whining. Man up and show a woman you’re worth being respected through your character, intelligence, and humor. This article is worse than those ridiculous drum circles. If you want to be a leader, you have to behave in a way that makes people want to follow. Throwing out a slap to get your wife in line proves only inherent weakness since being a control freak is a sure sign of insecurity. And if a wife walks all over her husband, then he’s a man of weak character to begin with. My husband isn’t driven by a need for supreme control because he’s a real man and not threatened by discord.
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1:26 pm
I truly hope this article is satire. Religion truly brings out the worst in the human race. I for one want no part of it. No I am not an Athiest, but religion is evil. I think Jesus would agree.
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2:38 pm
Sounds more like Sharia Law than anything Christian. WWJD?
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2:53 pm
I think an occasional beating is not only reasonable, but required. We women need a little smack down. Especially when we’ve been caught masturbating.
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3:22 pm
What about gently beating someone else’s wife. In a motel room every other Thursday? Because she likes it? I’m just looking for a little moral feedback here. ‘preciate it.
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8:34 pm
Ah, talibangelicals. Same the world over.
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9:34 pm
Wow, my sides are actually hurting from laughter, that so many people took this seriously. I do hope that most of this was satire, at least, if not then I need to scrub my eyeballs with lye, have the house purified, and finish off the rest of my scotch.
In case even one of the pro-beating comments was serious, correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t one of the core tenets, and perhaps the biggest difference between Old and New Testaments, the belief that one should love all around them and treat others as you would be treated? Personally, I would never beat or attack anyone unless my life or the lives of my family and friends were being threatened, and that is pure self-defense and part of the natural world.
In my studies, what I observed of the role of religion in society is that it is, alas, part of human nature. There are unexplainable events that happen all the time, moreso back in the beginnings of human civilization, and a core human survival trait is the desire to understand your surroundings as much as humanly possible so that we can adapt. For the things early humans couldn’t figure out, such as earthquakes, lightning, and volcanoes, they couldn’t go without rationalizing such events, so faith arose. Religion is an attempt by humanity to fully understand and explain things that we simply can’t, to bring our own order to an inherently chaotic world.
Ah, that was a bit of a soapbox rant, but perspective was needed. Religion is really a creation of man, regardless of the faith, and as such is inherently flawed. Claiming that one is more right than the other, or that you have the sacred right to hurt people that do no harm to you is just silly.
For those that actually believe in the *hopefully* satirical arguments for wife-beating, might I recommend having her turn the tables with a riding crop or a leather strap? If beating your wife gets you off, you’re kinky enough to get off on most anything XD
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3:04 am
Gee thats real kinky.
Tell me more… but only softly hey!!!
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10:59 am
I think you should be gently beat for publishing this bullshit and for thinking that you are a “Christian.” The Bible is the source of all bad things against women and should be banned and burned. Next time to “rap your wife’s cheek,” I hope she punches you in the face and then leaves your ass. DO NOT BEAT YOUR WIFE OR YOUR CHILDREN ASSHOLE!!
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11:12 am
Gently Beat??? What a Fuck is that?
U cant beat anyone, Violence is unacceptable.
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12:07 pm
so opposing authority is wrong, sounds like communism?
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1:23 pm
I think its OK as long as the bruises don’t show and she promises not to press charges.
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6:53 am
The thought that you could “gently” beat your wife is appalling on many levels. So many victims of domestic violence remain silent (some even being sent to their graves) because the Church – a place of supposed refuge – was not there to hear their cries. For another side to the argument, go to:
http://lawyercapecod.com/domestic-violence-among-believers-confronting-the-destructive-secret.html
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9:15 pm
You are an ignorant, bigot moron…. Along with the all of the other authors on this site.
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3:03 am
This website is frightening. I thought this was a joke at first. I find it terrifying that there are people in this country who think like this. Christians in my own country scare me as much as Islamic Jihadists bent on killing Americans. You people seriously need to get a grip. “Gently Beat?” Women are “like children?” Lets look at some other gems from the same sight, “Extremely Terrified of Chinese People”? “How to Spot a Masturbator”? Do you hear yourselves?
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4:24 am
I’m beginning to think that this entire website is a satire, a parody of a right-wing magazine or program. Otherwise it’s impossible to understand the incredible amount of nonsense you find here.
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3:09 am
The empty vessel makes the loudest sound. – William Shakespeare
SO TRUE!
Wow, I am simply amazed to read what some people think of the Bible. “Burn it” “F*** it”
There’s such hostility for a book that preaches love and compassion.
NOTE: If I remember correctly this is the same book that teaches us to…
))”LOVE ONE ANOTHER. As I have loved you, so you must love one another” – John 13:34
))”Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you,
pray for those who mistreat you” – Luke 6:27-28
))”Love your neighbor as yourself” – Matthew 22:37-39
This doesn’t sound like
I DO NOT AGREE WITH THIS ARTICLE, and I think the author has a clear MISUNDERSTANDING of the Bible.
“Husbands, love your wives and never treat them harshly.” – Colossians 3:19
“In the same way, you husbands must give HONOR to your wives. Treat your wife with understanding as you live together. She MAY be weaker than you are, but she is your EQUAL partner in God’s gift of new life…” – 1 Peter 3:7
DOESN’T SOUND LIKE BEATING IS OK TO ME!!!
Maybe if people actually OPENED UP A BIBLE and read it before criticizing it and ASSUMING WHATEVER THE HECK THEY WANTED?!?!
P.S. tv is killing our brains
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12:18 am
Hehe, it’s funny cuz you guys actually take this seriously…I mean reeeeally.
I’m a Christian and this is a load of crap. It’s a joke. I promise you. I really, really do.
This entire website is a nice joke. I’d join if people didn’t really take this seriously.
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9:31 pm
Women are not children, as another has said. We are adult human beings with minds, intelligences, and needs of our own. And, in case some men have forgotten, we are also citizens of this country with civil and human rights of our own, like any man. We do not exist to be ruled by the other half of humanity. We share in marriage just as we share in this world. Marriage is a partnership, not a dictatorship. And any man, husband or other, who lays a hand on me is going to be facing down the barrel of my shotgun immediately thereafter. And he isn’t going to much like the downward slant of that barrel.
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9:43 pm
OK, you got me. I should have checked out info about this site elsewhere before thinking it was genuine and getting all riled up.
It’s a satire site, people.
“It doesn’t take an astute reader to figure out that ChristWire.org is written more in the spirit of The Onion than Focus on the Family. The website was a sensation over the summer, thanks in part to its “educational” feature “Is My Husband GAY?” along with probing headlines like “Hurricane Earl Projected Path, Gay East Coast of America.”
ChristWire’s satirical creators remained anonymous until publication of a recent New York Times article, which identified the two founders as Bryan Butvidas, a 28-year-old software developer in Southern California, and Kirwin Watson, who is also 28 and works at an unspecified Kansas hospital.
“There’s just rampant idiocy in the media sometimes,” Watson said of ChristWire’sraison d’être. “People watch their favorite news channels, don’t question it and will regurgitate it the next day at the office. That is no good at all.”
http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2010/09/04/Christwires_Apostles_Speak/
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10:18 pm
But…OF COURSE a Christian husband may gently beat his wife! As long as SHE may gently tie his penis in a knot and use it to suspend him from the rafters in a ritualistic enactment of Christ’s ascending unto heaven.
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9:16 pm
Has the woman the right to gently beat her husband if he has not a correct behaviour?
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11:34 pm
You know,when I was a kid,I got my rear end paddled more than once.I learned quickly and had and still have the upmost respect for my parents.That is what is wrong with so many young people today,you swat their behind and Cps cries foul.
Guess what,you think you know how to discipline my kid better than I do?Then you can have him/her to raise and deal with them.No?you dont want to you say?then stay the fuck out of my personal life.Nobody dies from getting a spanking as a kid under most normal circumstances.
As for beating your wife..if it has to come to that then maybe the couple shouldn’t be together in the first place.
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1:48 pm
My daddie sometimes gently beats me. He takes his fist and punches my colon like it is a punching bag! It feels sooooooooooooooo good!
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3:23 pm
Back to the kitchen with you!
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1:14 pm
It is now very clear, Christians are the true Demons.
Any % higher than 0 for “yes” is too high.
Sickening…
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1:46 pm
Not in hell!Are you too scared to figth against men so you have to beat women?
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2:39 pm
Of course it is. Thanks mainstream brainwashing liberals and specially feminism now most women(even christians ones) think they´re absolutely equal to men in rights and obligations. Far from true. The Bible asserts clearly that man is the head of the woman, meaning is superior and above her.
We do beat kids, it doesn´t mean we hate them. It´s the opposite, it´s because we love them. We beat our children because theyre not mature enough to understand by words, like woman.
Women cry like children
Women are too emotional, like children
Women love futile things, like children
Women would rather talk than think, like children
So women are basically physically grown children. Gently beating them should be fine.
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10:28 pm
When did beating your wife become a ‘conservative Christian value’? There is absolutely nothing in the Bible that approves of a man hitting his wife in any way. And don’t you dare quote ‘Women obey your husbands.’ Because the next line is “Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ loved the Church and gave himself for it.”
Which essentially means, women listen to your man (be willing to compromise), and men, be willing to give everything for your wife. Marriage is a two-way street, with both giving equally.
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1:10 am
Jesus states in the Bible for men to treat their wives as Jesus would the Christian church. Jesus would NOT beat the Christian church, it is out of question.-http://christianity.about.com/od/faqhelpdesk/i/biblemarriage_2.htm
“In order that Satan might not outwit us. For we are not unaware of his schemes.” [2 Corinthians 2:11].
Satan is the king of deception. Anyone who says things that are otherwise not supported by the Christian Bible, are being deceived by Satan; thus, will pay for it. As will the followers.
For non believers in God father, Jesus Christ son, and the Holy Spirit, please do not make irrational judgments against ALL Christians. Many people who call themselves Christian are lost and many feed others lies because they are deceived by Satan. – “Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!” Matthew 25:41 ; Jesus will tell this to the supposed Christians.
If you care about your Soul, that which is eternal and locked in your physical body, seek God out. – “Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. Mathew 7:7
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