Are Atheists Capable of Love?: No. Happy Valentine’s Day!

The short answer to this question is no, Atheists are not capable of love because in fact and practice love requires thinking outside of their own interests and experience as well as expressing an emotional maturity beyond their ability. They just can’t help it.
Romans 1:21 – Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
From the internets forum, rabroad.com Christians can read one inscrutable Atheist’s attempt to come to terms with this question:
Are atheists cable of love?I MEAN CAPABLE
Steve H. I never claimed to be a theist. Do not make false assumptions. I am an atheist myself. I was just curious.
@ Jen E. Are people like you incapable of reading. I DID correct myself in the question by stating “I MEAN CAPABLE”
@ Mia. Once again, someone making false assumptions. I never said I didn’t think I was capable of love as an atheist. Truth be told, I’m just unsure if
I am or not.
How many times have you read “But I’m Agnostic” (483,000+ times in a phrase-specifc google search) or “But I’m Atheist” (271,000+ times in a phrase-specifc google search) as a rejection of scripture based reasoning? How many times have you read openly obnoxious or loosely veiled slurs of a Christian’s mental abilities or character? How many times have you read bragging, exaggerations of power, or success and attractiveness from an ‘Atheist’ as a retort to the Good News? Christians need to develop an understanding to lovingly address these affronts to the Christian message of love for one another.
John 13: 34-35
A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.
The first step for Christians in understanding these attacks is to not take it personally. Enduring these slurs on Christian character means one must turn the meaning of the word slur from “insult” to “smooth musical lyric” or perhaps modify further to “melodramatic wailing for attention” before responding.
The second step is to cast aside preconceptions of what an Atheist is. The stereotype of the Atheist as “God Hater” is inaccurate. Atheist cannot hate what they do not believe in, but they do hate Christians for what is perceived as pandering to a non-existent deity. All this reasoning points to a soiled logic and defective mindset incapable of recognizing within others God’s anointing grace of creation just as they fail to recognize it in themselves. Only God can create; human beings are left to innovate.
A good portion of Atheists’ hate comes from the fact many suffer from undiagnosed Narcissistic Personality Disorder. NPD is a deformed love of the reflection of self that is destructive and renders them incapable of loving relationships with others as well as the Atheist’s singular true self.
Romans 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves.
The Agnostic or Atheist NPD sufferer can be quite capable and even ambitious in secular life. Unfortunately these positive attributes are offset by jealousy, an inability to accept or evolve with criticism, low tolerance for setbacks and a grandiosity gap between the reality of accomplishments and grandiose fantasy of self. It is a life well suited to unrepentant homo-gays, Wall Street traders, left-wing media blogging, or humorous newscasters in sit-coms.
Romans 1:25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
While it is unclear which (NPD or Agnosticism/Atheism) occur first, observation, experience as well as rational thinking indicates a corollary between the two. The Mayo Clinic online lists the following symptoms of NPD . Expression of five or more of these symptoms in an individual may indicate pathology indicative of NPD and Agnostic or Atheist disbelief.
- Believing that you’re better than others
- Fantasizing about power, success and attractiveness
- Exaggerating your achievements or talents
- Expecting constant praise and admiration
- Believing that you’re special and acting accordingly
- Failing to recognize other people’s emotions and feelings
- Expecting others to go along with your ideas and plans
- Taking advantage of others
- Expressing disdain for those you feel are inferior
- Being jealous of others
- Believing that others are jealous of you
- Trouble keeping healthy relationships
- Setting unrealistic goals
- Being easily hurt and rejected
- Having a fragile self-esteem
- Appearing as tough-minded or unemotional
In summary it is a flea riddled bed the Agnostic or Atheist with NPD has made for herself or himself. Atheists with NPD live a life of loneliness and despair, incapable of loving or receiving love from others, and in a constant state of alert and worry to threats that manifests as offense to any Christian reference or reasoning. Oftentimes Christians will witness a tirade of rants, foul language and demands for “proof”. In the end, all hearts remain steadfast. The Atheists plod back to well-reasoned abodes and hours of internet study and debate. The Christians plan a soccer league and spaghetti supper.
I thought I would end this piece on a positive note and add a nice poem for all the Agnostics and Atheists. Just to wish them a Happy Valentine’s Day. Since I’ve never been much of a writer, poet or philosopher, I searched on the internets. I found the perfect poem; but the rights of use terms do not permit adding it here. I hope the Atheists and Agnostics will have the same modicum of faith for my intent as they have for reasoning away love. I offer the following cut and paste as proof.
“Please do NOT use our poems in e-mailed documents of any kind, including newsletters and other publications.”
http://www.rabroad.com/forum/media/atheists-cable-love-980492.html
- Sinful
- Suspicious
- Scared
- Sad
- Amused
- Laughing Out Loud

4:17 pm
Are you capable of anything besides hate? No.
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11:26 pm
just because Atheists disagree with you does not mean they hate you. For all the hatred I see here, you certainly don’t know what it means to love.
Oh, and one last thing.
I am straight.
I am a proud Atheist
and you out of line people do not have the right to tell someone they are not allowed to love who they wish. Women can love women. And men can love men. And if God is as nearly as forgiving as all of you keep telling us constantly he is, then he shouldn’t care if one of his own children loves someone of the same gender. It’s love too! It’s not as if they’re murdering people! Or torturing them! Or going around from school to school, area to area shoving their beliefs down the rest of humanity’s throats. It’s love! You idiots are saying innocent people are going to hell because they love!
All this website has really accomplished for me is make me not want to be as religious as you. It’s blinding.
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4:44 pm
I don’t think they are as well. It would be really neat to see a poll on this, to test public opinion but I’d imagine most would see the same. If you cannot have the love of Christ written in your heart, then how can you really know true love for others?
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4:47 pm
Well, seeing as how you seem to hate anyone and everyone who doesn’t conform to your narrow image of what people ought to be [masculine white conservative Christian males and feminine, docile white conservative Christian female housewives], you haven’t got any love in your heart at all.
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9:02 pm
Abe,
You make a valid point. Perhaps a study is needed.
Praise be,
BB
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4:56 pm
You seem to think you know the minds of atheists, but you do not. You assign attributes to a group of people based on your own ignorance and prejudice then use them to justify making outrageous claims about them.
Let us see how you stack up to your own list:
You seem to think you are better than others because of your belief in your god.
You not only fail to recognize that atheists have emotions and feelings, you specifically state they do not.
You expect all people to believe in your religion unquestioningly.
You express disdain for atheists, whom you have stated are inferior to you.
You wish to rid the world of a group of people, atheists.
You match five of your own list 1, 6, 7, 9 and 13.
Congratulations, you have NPD.
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5:33 pm
I think the link within the article for “debate” will help you with the issues you’ve expressed. I’ve tried to provide links to aid in your understanding of the topic. If you would kindly use them, your comments might contribute to a more meaningful discussion.
Kind regards,
BB
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7:26 pm
You claim all atheists suffer from NPD but only use scripture in an attempt to prove your claim as fact. Nothing you linked to even claims a link between NPD and atheism, you are the only one doing it. You use a smidgen of unrelated science to bludgeon people with and then back it up with nothing put your own personal bigotry and links to individuals just as unqualified as you to make such assumptions just because they share your bigoted beliefs. You call this facts, most call it a circle jerk. You have no idea what you are talking about which is pretty typical with people like you.
You shouldn’t lecture people on love because you have no idea what it really is, you are just a hateful sow who most likely suffers from the very affliction you accuse others of. What you are doing here is call “projection,” look it up.
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7:42 pm
I make no such claim. Please re-read.
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8:03 pm
Uh…yeah you do, a lot. The fact that you don’t see it in what you yourself wrote despite many readers pointing it out is actually a scientifically positive indicator that you yourself suffer from NPD.
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11:43 am
“You match five of your own list 1, 6, 7, 9 and 13. Congratulations, you have NPD.”
Now, young man, you know that it is impossible for a God-fearing Christian to exhibit any of these atheistic, socialistic symptoms.
You need to do a little introspection and ask yourself why you carry around all that black hatred in your heart. It’s eating you alive.
You need to gaze deeply into the mirror and ask, “Am I REALLY incapable of love? Yea, Lord, I wss so quick to judge, and You told us to judge not lest we be judged, and now I’m judged to be a hater. O, Lord! What shall I do now?! I have offended Thee! How Lord can I overcome Satan’s darkness and fill my blackened soul with the eternal light of Jesus Christ, Almighty?”
Well, I’ll tell you how. There is only one way to demonstrate your repentance to God. Put your money where your mouth is. Fulfill His wishes and tithe mightily to joe-lol-stein@jesus.tv. Praise the Lord! I’ll send you a personalized prayer swatch that I prayed over to heal you from your emotional wounds.
But you have to take the first step. God made us creatures of free will.
As part and parcel of that free will, realize that you must make that step as significant and deliberate as possible, as demonstrated in trailing zeroes. Money that isn’t part of your sustenance income isn’t taken seriously by Jesus because you aren’t making a real, genuine sacrifice; you’re just tossing around your spare pocket change that you would have otherwise spent on condoms to use before you commit sodomy.
Turn from those homosexual ways! Dig deep! Do it now! Praise God!
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5:09 pm
Atheists ARE capable of thinking outside of their own interests and experience as well as expressing an emotional maturity, regardless of what your book of mythology says. In my experience, atheists are far more capable of this than the louder types of Christians.
I didn’t feel any need to read your hack article any further than that.
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12:06 pm
Book of mythology? You mean “An Inconvenient Truth?”
Global warming is just God’s way of punishing all you non-believers who’ll be left here after the Rapture when the last great war commences.
Repent now or you’ll have to suffer with gas prices at record levels after President Palin starts bombing Tehran.
Surely such a Godly woman will be among the first to be lifted up, and up, skyward bound, naked as the day she was born, side by side with Ronald Reagan, arisen from the dead, naked from the waist down but still wearing that suit coat and tie he made his trademark out of respect for the Oval Office. Praise God, that man didn’t show up for work looking like a bum!
Onward, Christian soldiers!
Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war,
with the cross of Jesus going on before.
Christ, the royal Master, leads against the foe;
forward into battle see his banners go!
Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war,
with the cross of Jesus going on before.
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5:10 pm
“love requires thinking outside of their own interests and experience as well as expressing an emotional maturity beyond their ability”
Meaningless banter under the guise of sage wisdom. How can one do something beyond their ability?
@Abe – so anyone that’s not a Christian can’t love or do Jews count also? Just want to make sure I’ve got your logic right.
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5:16 pm
Oh goody, a science article! I love science. It’s always destroying strongly held beliefs with contradictory evidence.
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5:41 pm
Let’s test how loving your god is:
Your god doesn’t just love the 40,000 innocent children that die every day, he tortures and kills them in disturbingly cruel and sadistic ways each and every day with the plethora of parasites, pathogens, viruses, bacterias and diseases he planned, designed, created and unleashed on the world – That’s VERY loving indeed – praise!
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6:00 pm
This isn’t about my loving God. This is about you. Are you capable of love?
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6:10 pm
You’re not capable of anything, save hatred of anyone different from you in any way. Why should we prove that we can love, when you’ve only proven your ability to hate?
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12:27 pm
You need to stop and consider whether Satan may have turned your judgment upside-down, where love is now hate, hate is love, black is white, and what’s left is right.
There’s still hope for you if the ice that is your heart is melted by the fiery glow of the Holy Spirit.
Let It in, Brother! Let it wash over you like a tsunami, cleansing your every pore of the hideous fauna now dining on your very flesh.
But it’s the flesh of the soul, not of the body — the eternal spirit, not the corporeal — that you’re playing with here by cozying up to Satan’s definition of love and hate.
I mean, just so you know. OK? There, I did my bit, and that’s all I can do. You’ve been notified. The rest is up to you.
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5:43 pm
Hey, wait a minute. “Melt the ice around your heart.” If we are of the devil, wouldn’t that ice have already been melted by the fires of hell?
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6:02 pm
Atheist will attempt to hijack God’s hand in the study of Mathematics, when it clear God is surely in the equation √-1=i as well as MATLAB, and is manifested daily when we turn on the light in a room. For further evidence (assuming any of the Atheist have some level of post-graduate understanding of mathematics) please consider “A Statistical Test that Fails to Substantiate Decay in the Velocity of Light” by Gene Pennello (PSCF 45 (June 1993):116-119). While you are feeling rational, explain the reasoning to exclude Christians from mathematics. http://scienceonyourside.blogspot.com/2007/09/atheism-is-killing-mathematics.html
Who has the irrational hate?
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8:08 pm
“God is in the equation √-1=i”
Wait…is that a sly way of saying God is imaginary? Lol, you’re a poe aren’t you?
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9:33 pm
I really like your chosen moniker.
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9:48 pm
It works for me
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4:50 pm
sonnet has ten syllables in each line, does that make it a poem?
“I really like your moniker” = 10 sylable poem
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9:54 am
^^^^ are you retarded? Sonnets come in many different forms.
A list of things that you are is here on this article.
Believing that you’re better than others
Fantasizing about power, success and attractiveness Exaggerating your achievements or talents
Expecting constant praise and admiration
Believing that you’re special and acting accordingly
Failing to recognize other people’s emotions and feelings Expecting others to go along with your ideas and plans
Taking advantage of others
Expressing disdain for those you feel are inferior
Being jealous of others
Believing that others are jealous of you
Trouble keeping healthy relationships
Setting unrealistic goals
Being easily hurt and rejected
Having a fragile self-esteem
Appearing as tough-minded or unemotional
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12:42 pm
Indeed. Well said.
The dearth of Christians in Mathematics is but another in a litany of reasons to open our borders to the best and brightest foreign Christians through more H1B visas.
Moreover, God’s blessings being ever bountiful, the cost benefits that would accrue to the Godly Christian proprietor of a business needing their skilled labor would make for a very sweet tithing, Praise God!
Mr. Immelt et al, that’s joe-lol-stein@jesus.tv. Thanks in advance.
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6:47 pm
so if atheist are not capable of Love what my friends are then they are a couple and really In love much more than you ever think they respect each other as well oh and they are agnostic and atheist for the matter
You on other hand think christian are betetr than everyone else ( self interest)
so in other word your article is based on christian and Not atheist
oh and by the way I have fallen in Love before and trust me I know what is it we didn’t care about each other religion Neither it,s called respect of other belief something that you don’t know
also how many hate and war are being spread in the name of ATHEISM ?
and count how many hate and wars are being spread in name of christianism
you will see a BIG difference and don,t come with your “mao and stalin where atheist” they didnt bring hate and war in name of atheism but in name of freedom against Imperialism
the christian are the monster in history denying historical facts scientific facts as well regressing the science ( we would have cured AIDS by the time if it’s was not of you ) the war would be Lowered by 80-90%
you are actually a BIG cause of hate in the world
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6:52 pm
you are right. i am not capabel of expresing the emotion you call love. and i’m quite happy that i do not the posses the most vilæe evil cruel sadistic hateful selfrigthous souldestorying hatred that this world posses.
you make one point, one single solitary point to make your case :”Atheists are not capable of love because in fact and practice love requires thinking outside of their own interests and experience as well as expressing an emotional maturity beyond their ability.”
well there are 2 points really first you claim it’s outside our abilities but personal faith does not magically grant abilities. or do you belive that your alll loveing god has taken away the ability to love if you do not belive in him? yeah super loveing right there.
second beliveing in god has nothing to do with thinking of others. atheism is about beliveing there is no god. but they still belive in other people. i have yet to see one atheist far less agonostic who would ever consider not being nice and helpful to others asumeing ofcourse it would not detract anything from their life. i have yet to hear of a christian doing this.
so yeah feel selfrigthous. be proud of your ability hurt others. i will then be proud of my ability to do the same to morons like you. give me a reason to show my love to a hateful douchebag like you and i will.
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8:07 pm
I think we all appreciate what you’re trying to say, but please make your text at least LOOK nice. Capitals. Spelling. Punctuation. All very important.
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7:04 pm
Love, in terms of Plato’s “Symposium”, is modeled as a being and becoming through love between an older man and young boy. It is the primary model of homo-gay love and so called open marriage Atheist/Agnostic swingers. It is presented as a love of utility, a situational affection based on the rights and duties within the relationship. Love is portrayed as each receiving a getting a social or carnal good in exchange for the relationship. Forgiveness is only applied as a result of a cost-benefit analysis in this type of relationship. Love is merely a contract of convenience and social standing in the community in this model with no redemption for un-negotiated cheating or mistreatment of the contract, albeit another cost-benefit analysis. Review Melissa Etheridge on one of the homo-gay sites for more evidence of the failure of these types of relationships.
The paradigm for Christian love is one of sacrament. One based on forgiveness for its own innate aspect of love. While the effectiveness of forgiveness is not evident in divorce rates of Christians, it does present evidence that human beings are flawed and struggle with forgiveness in their relationships. Sin, failure and redemption are all part of the Christian model for love, but missing from unions based on solely utilitarian dynamics which have an even higher rate of divorce. (See links in article)
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7:32 pm
Such ignorance. Most would stop at this point.
It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one’s mouth and remove all doubt
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7:46 pm
Learn to read before you quote your betters.
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8:18 pm
Learn that your blind belief in a sky-fairy makes you better in absolutely no way that anybody else on this planet. Actually, thinking and preaching that you’re morally superior to everyone else makes you worse. Go eat some humble pie.
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9:35 pm
I don’t think she was referring to herself as your better, I think she was referring to Abraham Lincoln (the origin of your quote) as your better.
In this one instance, she might be right.
Although your reading skills are just fine as far as I can see.
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8:12 pm
“Sin, failure and redemption are all part of the Christian model for love, but missing from unions based on solely utilitarian dynamics which have an even higher rate of divorce.”
My parents, both agnostics, got married at City Hall over 30 years ago and are still happily married to this day.
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8:17 pm
“Forgiveness is only applied as a result of a cost-benefit analysis in this type of relationship.”
Uh so…the fact that Jesus requires you to forgive others or fail his test to enter Heaven is not taken into consideration when a Christian forgives someone? Because, you know, that sounds an awful lot like a cost-benefit analysis to me.
It seems to me that the cost (Hell) and benefit (Heaven) so outweigh all other factors in such an analysis that the Christian can only be capable of making such a decision based on this one factor alone. Thus, you have proven that Christians are incapable of real love because every single decision they make is based on one cost-benefit analysis that is entirely central to their own well being and not anyone else’s.
Oh well, see you in Hell!
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2:33 am
so following what you said Plato was gay because he had a Platonic Love with aristote, Aristote was younger it’s true since Plato was his mentor but the lifespan of that time was much Lower than what we have now and the “adult” was around 13 years old
Also Platonic love is a friendly love a non sexual Love yet the Love thy neighbor from the Bible comes from Platonic Love
Too bad I guess you didn’t even read your own bible
also Christianity didn’t exist at the time of Plato just saying and he was not gay neither he was not married as well he was simply a Philosopher and a scientist thats all
so miss Blanche It’s seems you don’t know what is Love platonic love consensual love and other love type as well
but you sure can Label men who did nothing to you as Homosexual because they have a nonsexual relationship with a Younger man than him
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11:38 am
i like how you try to argue that the logic we use to prove platonic love is not real should not be apllied in the case of chrsitian love because if you do that you prove it is fake as well.
seriously way to shoot yourself in the foot.
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7:26 pm
Don’t you think it’s pretty arrogant to claim you know better what someone is thinking/feeling then that person does? My lack of a belief in god really comes down to one thing – proof. You accept a book and/or your feelings as proof of god. I do not. Nor do BILLIONS of other people on the planet. Or rather, i should say they don’t accept YOUR god. They accept their own version. It’s not clear from your article if you think those other people are also incapable of love since they believe in the ‘wrong’ god.
It seems pretty arrogant and condescending to claim your belief in a god makes you capable of a basic human emotion while everyone else is incapable of it. How much more of a hurtful and hateful statement can you make about someone then to say they aren’t capable of love?
I don’t know if you are capable of love, but it seems clear you are capable of hate. Unfortunately (or maybe it’s fortunate since i’m not sure which of the two would win out) the two aren’t mutually exclusive.
If you accept the bible as a factual text – as the rules to live by – why don’t you live by every single rule? I haven’t met a single person who follows every rule. All i have found are people who pick and choose which rules they want. Either to justify their own biases and failings, or just to pick the ones that make the most sense/are the easiest to follow. To me that clearly indicates pretty much everyone who claims the bible is ‘THE TRUTH’ is a hypocrite. You can’t use it to justify a particular view point unless you believe and follow every single rule in it.
There’s a reason why most people don’t follow every command in the bible – because many of them are barbaric and disgusting. We don’t condone stoning people to death or slavery because we’ve realized those are just flat out wrong.
When you or someone else decides to stop picking and choosing what sections of the bible you will follow, and follow them ALL, then that person can at least honestly use the bible to try and justify their opinion. Otherwise, you’re just being a hypocrite.
And even though i’m a godless agnostic, i don’t hate you for what you said. I find it disgusting and repulsive, but i dont hate you. If anything, i feel sorry for you that you have such a need to denigrate a whole group of people. I can’t imagine what might possibly be wrong with someone that they need to do that.
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11:50 am
“When you or someone else decides to stop picking and choosing what sections of the bible you will follow, and follow them ALL, then that person can at least honestly use the bible to try and justify their opinion.”
First, ALL CHRISTIANS ARE SINNERS, it is a primary tenant of the faith. What you propose has only been accomplished by Christ, who Christians believe made the case for the existence of a new testament. I guess the validation you request only works if you lived during that time?
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7:38 pm
Agnostic people are especially frustrating because their hearts are not closed to the truth, but their minds are. It is reminiscent of when the apostles had their hearts hardened, due to their lack of faith.
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10:02 pm
An open heart is the sure path.
Thank you for taking the time to comment.
BB
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10:26 pm
This is the crux of the problem, you think that faith is virtuous and an atheist does not.
However I will make an assertion here and say that not all faith is virtuous, easy example being the Nigerian money scams, people being taken in on faith. In fact, in most instances taking anything on faith alone in your every day life would be considered a detrimental character flaw. So why is it that the religious insist that one must abandon all reason, to faith for what could be considered one of the most critical decisions in their life. It is truly horrifying to the outside observer, that even by your own standards, you justify what you believe by willfully abandoning your “god given” minds.
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10:33 pm
No one person, religion or institution is forcing or coercing anyone to a theist belief system. This may be a signal of an internal struggle of heart and your selected life script that needs addressed with sage counsel and personal reflection.
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11:08 pm
Your reply is a complete non-sequitur:
“No one person, religion or institution is forcing or coercing anyone to a theist belief system.”
Please quote where I said anything about coercion or force? It was an observation on the original commenters statement about the need for faith.
“This may be a signal of an internal struggle of heart and your selected life script that needs addressed with sage counsel and personal reflection.”
Absolutely true, every atheist struggles internally, but not for the reasons you would think, an atheist struggles to find what is true, not from faith, but from the observable universe, repeatable reality and evidence. This isn’t out of some sort of egotistical “I am right and you are not” motivation, but rather a desire for progress, of both knowledge and the human species (pragmatism). Our “sage advice” as you put it, is in the verifiable work of other scientists and recogonised practicing experts in a given field.
So please explain where in any of that is there a need for faith, especially as I have attempted to establish, it is not a virtue? The love I experience, getting back to the main topic, most certainly has nothing to do with faith (or perhaps your argument is that atheist “love” isn’t real, giving a monopoly on “true love” to the religious, which I am afraid seems more than a little absurd)
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7:43 pm
I find it hilarious that most religious people possess NPD when it comes to attitudes towards us Atheists. You claim to be better than us and say we can’t love because we’re not like you, we don’t think exactly like you. I’ll enjoy my time in hell, because in case you didn’t realize it, I’m one of Satan’s boys, and like a good general he’ll reward his followers, not punish them. Or did you not think of that part of your theory? The idea that if Satan is the only being completely out of God’s control, then why would he punish sinners? Why not reward them?
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8:13 pm
Oh Jim Jeffries. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZJ-_OTvsqo
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I was once asked by a doctor, how bad is your headache. I told him I don’t know because I have never felt a headache from another person’s point of view.
This is like love discussed in this article. Non-Christian’s here seem to be really quick to dismiss this article, but until you truly experience Christian love, you can’t even fathom what it is.
“1 Samuel 18:25-27
Then Saul said, “Thus shall you say to David, ‘The king desires no bride-price except a hundred foreskins of the Philistines, that he may be avenged of the king’s enemies.’” Now Saul thought to make David fall by the hand of the Philistines. And when his servants told David these words, it pleased David well to be the king’s son-in-law. Before the time had expired, David arose and went, along with his men, and killed two hundred of the Philistines. And David brought their foreskins, which were given in full number to the king, that he might become the king’s son-in-law. And Saul gave him his daughter Michal for a wife.”
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7:48 pm
So, love can only be expressed through the murder and genital mutilation of other people?
Great to know that, as an agnostic, I am incapable of love, and therefore, of that form of expressing it.
Your form of “Christian love” involves condemning anyone who DOESN’T follow YOUR personal views as “evil”, “immoral”, and “damned”. Pretty sure that isn’t love.
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8:01 pm
You twist words around to fit your own desire. That scripture represents the intensity of true love. Only those who have experienced it will recognize it.
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8:06 pm
Okay, so, if you TRULY love a person, then you’ll go out and commit murder and genital mutilation to prove it?
That seems a bit sick and twisted, really. What are the requirements for normal love? Just simple mutilation of other people?
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All I said was that you can’t say you feel love if you have never felt it.
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8:31 pm
And then you quoted an Bible verse [from the Old Testament, in fact] and argued in defense of it, saying that David apparently loved the IDEA OF BEING THE KING’S SON-IN-LAW [as the verse says that "...when his servants told David these words, it pleased David well to be the king’s son-in-law", rather than anything about him loving his bride-to-be] so much, he went and killed TWO HUNDRED men, took the foreskins from their penises, and delivered them to the king to prove his love. You then said that it proved what true love was like.
Did I miss something here, then? Because if that’s what it takes to prove and feel love, I don’t want to feel it.
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9:25 pm
I don’t dare question why the foreskins were cut off, but it’s the fact he takes the time to mention love in such an awful time. So we can agree that this is a bad choice of verse and that you can’t say you can experience something if you have never experienced it.
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8:26 pm
What about those Christians who realized that their faith was an absurd load of brainwashing bollocks and became Atheist?
Logically, they would have experienced this love at some point (if not, then God forsook them even as believers!) yet even having experienced it, they still decided to become Atheist.
The fact that these people exist (and logically must, or God is in fact Satan for abandoning them even when they sought him in their hearts) proves that your argument is false. Some Atheists have indeed experienced what you think is only for Christians. Thus, non-believers too have experienced this feeling which means it is not unique to believers.
Thus, either God is Satan and take his love away even from believers, or God does not exist and what you call love is universal to all humans. Since you’re the one who proved it beyond a shadow of a doubt, I think you should get to pick. I’m quite interested to know which one you prefer.
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8:33 pm
That is impossible; If you have truly felt this love it is impossible to deny him. You can stumble and fall, but if you truly loved, you cannot lose it. If you truly deny him you never know him or are now living a lie.
Just like when you tell that high school sweetheart “ I love you” but then years later when you actually marry your 5-20th sweetheart do you realize how foolish your thought of what “love” was then.
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9:26 pm
Right, so I’ll mark you down as a Satanist then? Glad we cleared that up!
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9:38 pm
So you can tell me someone who has never been a father can know what it’s like to be a father or someone who has never been a mother can know the love of a mother?
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10:25 pm
That wasn’t the argument. The argument was that some atheists were at one time believers, some of them claim to have been very strong believers who felt “God’s Love”.
Knowing this, there are only two conclusions:
1) God willfully took away his Love (as he did to Job in the Bible)*. But if God can willfully take away his Love then it is not absolute nor pure. This is evidenced by the story of Job in which God challenges Satan to corrupt Job. The wording of the Bible is important because it was *not* Satan who challenged God, it was God who decided to gamble with Job’s eternal soul. Thus, as God employs Satan to do his bidding, God and Satan are equivalent at least some of the time (when God wishes it). (The bible is the best source of it’s own contradictions lol)
2) God did not willfully take away his Love. If this is true, then logically the believer has ‘freewill’ to gain or lose “God’s Love” and thus it is possible for anyone, believer or non-believer to experience this Love and it is therefore not unique to believers alone. This does not necessarily prove God does not exist, but it does prove that your concept of “God’s Love” is not in any way proof of his existence since it is not aboslute nor sufficient to maitain faith nor unique to believers alone.
Since you chose to believe that God’s Love is absolute and that anyone who has experienced it cannot deny it, you have thus chosen path 1 and can rightfully be labelled as a Satanist. Congratulations, and welcome to the wierd world of religious mythology and it’s never ending contradictory bullshit.
* Sidenote: this would also imply that humans do not have Freewill because God would have the power to decide whether we love him or not and hence our will would be of no consequence!
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10:38 pm
How narrow to believe only those two conclusions exist. You even use the disclaimer “claim” yourself.
That points to the possibility of human error. That these atheists are now or once were wrong about your feelings. Even Paul denied Jesus three times.
I Never said they could not deny it, but they can lose it. Humans are imperfect and even the best child occasionally dishonors their parent. I’m sure we all can agree we did at one time.
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10:52 pm
Yup, there really are only those two. It’s amazing that sometimes things really are this or that!
So, can I still count you in as a Satanist? I’d hate to think you lost your ‘faith’ but your last posting kind of leaned more towards conclusion 2 so if you really want to deny God/Satan’s existence just say the word and I’ll strike you off the heavenly books for good!
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10:58 pm
Yes, sometimes things are just this or that. But not when you arbitrarily concoct them and set the rules yourself.
I might as well ask you what your favorite color is and then make up two colors that don’t exist.
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11:04 pm
So you admit that your concept of “God’s Love” is a ridiculous concoction of your own imagination then?
Finally, I think I’m starting to get through to you. Keep on keeping on MeAwesome, those brain cells still have some life left in them yet!
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11:42 pm
You really are searching for something here. You may want to post more about yourself and visit other parts of this site.
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2:16 am
Best use of the No True Scotsman fallacy that I have seen this month!
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8:30 pm
Praise click for you. MeAwsome.
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9:28 pm
Haha “MeAwesome”, another NPD Christian? Who would have guessed.
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9:35 pm
Why mock my name? I would never mock your name. THe visitors to this site have growm more and more hateful and angry. Its such a turn off.
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10:39 pm
You are a hater, plain and simple, and I mock you as such. The more you mock others that have never wronged you, the more I will mock you. This entire article, and everything you and Blanche have written is a mockery of ‘faith’ and a mockery of the principles of Christianity. You judge others and arrogantly defend these judgements even while you are the worst kind of sinner. You throw stones made of your words and then seek to corrupt others online to help you throw more. You are despicable and heathen. You reek of Satan and Death; that is why even non-Christians know in their hearts that mocking you is not a sin.
I’ll see you in Hell.
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10:51 pm
This is a specific web site for specific fellowship. I never attacked you. Only you attacked me. I feel some needed resolve in your life. And that your presence here is a cry for help. I hope you find what you are looking for. I suggest you take a few deep breaths go for a walk id you don’t live in an urban area where it may be dangerous to do so. And just think about time and existence. About your place not in this world, but your place in time.
After all, we only live forever. You will be in my thoughts this evening.
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10:55 pm
The entire article is a hate fest of mudslinging. Atheists are this, fags are that, etc. It’s a hate billboard with flashing hate lights and neon hate lettering. Just associating yourself with it makes you worthy of mocking.
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11:03 pm
I don’t think associating myself to this site is a bad thing, but you being here getting so worked up. Someday you will look back on it and feel really silly. There was a visitor here last week who now feels silly about saying things about this site.
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11:10 pm
That sounds like a veiled threat. Am I hitting a nerve? I sure hope so!
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11:11 pm
Btw, I’ll stop playing when you do
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11:38 pm
Not a threat at all. I just feel sorry for you is all.
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9:31 pm
Thanks BB,
It seems that a lot of people have come here today to disrupt our learning and fellowship and they are trying to change us but are using only hateful and angry speech. You even got three condemn clicks on your statement just meant for me. These people are truly not of love. Why would anyone condemn that?
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10:15 pm
MEAwesome,
I have no earthly idea what has gotten into people. They are so emotional.
BB
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10:20 pm
Hate is such a bad thing.
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7:56 pm
Timothy 2:12
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
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Noodles,
I think if you review your Greek history you will find that applies when cattle are being traded. Clearly, I am not driving the price of your goats. Feel free to teach and expound, no one is stopping you.
Praise be,
BB
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8:01 pm
“The short answer to this question is no, Atheists are not capable of love”
Well, that’s news to me. As an atheist, I have very much love for my family, friends, and pets.
“A good portion of Atheists’ hate comes from the fact many suffer from undiagnosed Narcissistic Personality Disorder.”
The word “atheist” did not appear even once in the page that you linked to.
I’d like to see your psychology degree before you continue trying to label atheists as having mental disorders.
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If the population as a whole is at risk, why wouldn’t Atheist? Also you need to read a little more.
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9:16 pm
I read the entire thing.
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10:00 pm
You are an atheist and admitted that you are scared of marriage. You do not want to get married and give a mother’s love to a child. That shows in your heart, something is blocked and it suffocates your ability to love. I’m not one for mixing metaspirituality with medicine, but to me it sounds like atheism is blocking your natural desire to mother and even may lead you into lesbianism.
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11:55 pm
//You are an atheist and admitted that you are scared of marriage.//
She isn’t scared, she just doesn’t want to get married. Fear and uncaring are two entirely different emotions and reactions with no relation whatsoever.
//You do not want to get married and give a mother’s love to a child. That shows in your heart, something is blocked and it suffocates your ability to love.//
So dealing with a bunch of brats in what would be trying times is equal to love? What if something terrible happens to her? What if she loses her job and she’s left all alone? Maybe the fear of the devastation that would happen to her child is great enough for her to not want to have a child?
Or, ya know, not everyone has to have a kid or give a damn about having one, kinda like what Claire’s said several times.
//I’m not one for mixing metaspirituality with medicine, but to me it sounds like atheism is blocking your natural desire to mother and even may lead you into lesbianism.//
Explain how atheist families exist. If atheism prevents the natural desire to mother or father a child, then how are there atheist families that have been together since they were first wed?
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7:31 pm
“You are an atheist and admitted that you are scared of marriage.”
Provide a quote from me and a link where I specifically say that I’m “scared” of marriage.
“You do not want to get married and give a mother’s love to a child.”
Correct, I do not. There’s nothing wrong with that. It’s my body, bitch.
“That shows in your heart, something is blocked and it suffocates your ability to love.”
Oh, I see, so just because I don’t want to push an 8 pound baby out of my vagina it means that I’m incapable of loving? Show me your psychology degree, then we’ll talk.
“I’m not one for mixing metaspirituality with medicine, but to me it sounds like atheism is blocking your natural desire to mother and even may lead you into lesbianism.”
See above comment.
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11:08 am
Such seething hatred!
Well you certainly aren’t helping your case that you’re capable of love, are you?
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8:43 pm
Non believers only believe in the lust of homosexual sin docking.
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8:45 pm
The stigma regarding mental illness, specifically NPD, needs to part of the national conversation; it is a diagnosable and treatable illness. It is sad to see these comments that treat NPD like it needs to be swept under the rug or delegated to “others” rather than accepting the possibility of “that could be me.”
It is shameful.
BB
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8:46 pm
Is it? How would you treat NPD, then? I am, of course, assuming that you are ready to provide evidence to support your theories and claims, as well as a degree in Psychology.
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8:55 pm
The internets support NPD behaviors, including the grandiosity gap. Anonymous comments and no tangible consequences allow considerable growth of the disorder. Thanks for illustrating this so well. Your support has not gone unnoticed.
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8:58 pm
You didn’t answer my question. Clearly, you aren’t capable of holding a conversation with other people.
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12:52 pm
Get tested.
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1:16 pm
Why don’t you go get YOURSELF tested, before you start telling other people what to do? While you’re out, you should also pick up a psychology degree. You know, so you can back up your wild claims.
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9:33 pm
Pssst, hey Blanche I’ve got news for you, it IS you! Maybe you should read some moar!
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9:13 pm
you (those that believe only believers of fictional gods can love) are so full of bullshit that you wouldn’t know what real love is if it farted in your face.
How DARE you assume these things when you have no proof at all, how dare you judge when you obviously have no brains at all, get a frakking life- THERE ARE NO GODS, there is only us.
as for ONLY non believers are homosexuals, well I am not one but many priests ARE- AND they fuck children, does the fact that they ‘believe’ make that o.k?
I HATE RELIGION, it seems, as much as you hate non believers in your pathetic ‘god’.time to grow up folks and stop believing in fairy stories.
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9:30 pm
Stuff like this is so hypocritical. Love how “christians” like yourselves are the first to condemn other people’s love and compare it to your own. Get over yourselves. No one cares about your stupid warped beliefs, nor do we constantly compare ourselves to you. You guys just aren’t that important.
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Then a condemn click isn’t an issue for you?
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9:36 pm
Not only wrong, but very insulting and condescinding.
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9:41 pm
It’s amazing to me how some people who claim to be Christian do nothing but promote hatred of other groups. You should try going to live with an atheist family for a week and then maybe you’ll learn some of Jesus’ most important lessons about love.
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9:43 pm
You just love seeing the downvotes rack up on your comments, don’t you? It makes you feel all warm and victimized and persecuted. That way you can think of yourself as the underdog and convince yourself that you are in the right. That’s probably why you say all these vile, disgusting and offensive things. It’s a deliberate attempt to get people to hate you.
I don’t hate you. I just feel sorry for you.
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9:51 pm
This has to be a parody….
The author of this blog is an idiot and knows nothing outside of his narrow minded view of the world. How the hell would you know what others feel and not? You are neither god itself or an expert on the situation so before you try to make such insulting comments I would think about what you say and try to rationally think if it is logical or not.
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9:55 pm
You dont need to believe in a god to believe in other people. Not to mention care for them and what not. Im an atheist and I love my fiancee.
Also to note, do you think no one love each other in japan(a predominantly atheist country)?
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10:10 pm
I’m sure you think you love your fiancé.
And the Japanese people that aren’t too busy worshiping tentacle sex or Hello Kitty also think they “know” love
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10:43 pm
Keep throwing those rocks MeAwesome, you’re saving up some treasure in Hell now!
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kinda hateful Meawesome by the way just your nick is enough to Label you as NPD
also Japanese are very caring and loving people and even the “commie” chinese too strange is not it
they preconize marriage but I guess you didn’t search that neither you are too Busy saying : christian are better than everyone else”
oh and when you gonna learn what is Love maybe we will stop Mocking you
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12:09 pm
Why would Nick call me NPD? He’s a loving deacon who is 93 years old.
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11:01 pm
Tide goes in, tide goes out. There’s never a miscommunication. You can’t explain that.
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Atheists are much more moral than the Christian god. In fact, monkeys are more moral than the Christian god. Did you ever see a monkey commit global genocide?
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9:42 am
The Atheist on this thread are very judgmental and seem to get their feelings hurt easily. I didn’t know judging good from bad; praise or condemn was part of the Atheist mindset.
Judgment seems to be something that the Atheist point to in the Biblical definition of God as irrational and not aligned with their dis-belief system. Yet they harshly judge Christians.
Just an observation.
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If it makes you feel better, yes, being a Xtian makes you very, very special.
Snore…
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8:54 am
To declare that one is moral and good because of mental acknowledgement of a concept that the one has not checked out as legitimate and factual is psychological suicide. Religion is a mind eater and for the most part , those that profess this ideology have not read their holy book. If they did read their holy book (bible) , they would have to ignore (would this make them ignore-ant?) a lot of murder, rape, slavery, pedophilia and mass genocide. Apologetics is the name of the game to remain in that which is not factual. By looking at religion’s rap sheet, it is more than remarkable that religion is the cause of more death on this planet that any other organization that has been dreamed up to this date in time. Ignorance is bliss … Praise the lord…
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11:04 am
I’m a Christian who frequents this site. I have to say that this blog really offended me. In fact, it disgusts me. Your lack of tact and disgusting display of insensitivity and backwards thinking are exactly why Atheists have a problem with our belief system.
I will NEVER come to this site again.
I’m so ashamed.
God Bless
Nick
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11:18 am
You need to get yourself right with the Lord, man.
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11:22 am
you believe that only those who believe in your own conception of a god are capable of love…and you accuse others of narcissism. that’s just too funny to make up.
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12:13 pm
What a great way to dehumanize someone! Try to convince the world that atheists ‘just aren’t like the rest of us’, and it will be much easier to hate them, alienate them, and take their rights away.
You think you’ve reached this logically, and yet you don’t seem to have bothered to talk about this with an actual atheist (and don’t say “some of my best friends are atheists”…that’s a BS line that bigots like to use).
There is nothing logical about this article. It’s rationalizing your own hate and/or fear.
Pretty damning for a christian.
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12:24 pm
They can always debunk any claims of NPD with some testing from a mental health care professional.
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12:34 pm
I don’t know why Atheists always get so mad at science. It’s such a turn off. Good article BB.
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12:38 pm
It has occurred to me that this is irony.
I have been poe’d.
Well played.
Well played.
Just….dammit, well played!
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7:20 pm
“They can always debunk any claims of NPD with some testing from a mental health care professional.”
We don’t have to debunk anything. YOU have to get some solid proof that atheists and agnostics have NPD, rather than US having to disprove it.
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7:41 pm
So you’re saying that Atheism is a cure all for psychological problems and only the Theist get these diseases or disorders?
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8:00 pm
That’s not what I’m saying at all. I’m saying that if you want to make such outrageous claims as atheists having NPD, then you better prove it, rather than making us DISprove it.
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12:17 pm
why are you so unchrist like?
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12:43 pm
I cant walk on water. Thanks for the question.
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12:34 pm
“How many times have you read “But I’m Agnostic” (483,000+ times in a phrase-specifc google search) or “But I’m Atheist” (271,000+ times in a phrase-specifc google search) as a rejection of scripture based reasoning?”
0. What do google searches prove here? Scripture doesn’t reason, people do. If you are a scripture based person does that mean you wouldn’t exist if scripture wasn’t written?
“How many times have you read openly obnoxious or loosely veiled slurs of a Christian’s mental abilities or character?”
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“How many times have you read bragging, exaggerations of power, or success and attractiveness from an ‘Atheist’ as a retort to the Good News?”
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Nice questions you’re batting 0 for 3.
If you think love is exclusive to Christians, or excluded from anyone`s experience, you are either very, very naive or extremely arrogant. I hope, for your sake, it`s the first.
Have a great day! God bless.
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1:19 pm
You know what the best way to tell is whether a person can love or not? By seeing how they treat others in both word and deed.
Going by the blog post and many of the comments I’m guess that many of you are not capable of following what Jesus himself told us was the second greatest commandment – “Love your neighbour as yourself”. Your words com across as bigotted and intolerant, not as loving.
As such you seemingly do not have the love of Christ in your hearts and thus mustn’t be true Christians.
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2:50 pm
What is a true “christian”? The people that have dealt me the most grief in this existance on this planet titled themselves as “christian”. These have been the most intolerant group of folks that I personally have dealt with since I was young. If I could be given a dollar for every time one of these “saved by the blood” individuals told me that I was going to “burn in hell” because they disagreed with me on any argument that was in the bible, then I would be a rich man right now. The stories in the bible are almost all fictional as no history exist outside of the bible to show they are legitimate. The main character of the new testament “Jesus” does not exist outside the pages of the bible short of a forged paragraph in the writings of Josephus. So the argument is moot, as most folks would not put this much effort into an argument about a fictional story such as ” the three little pigs”. There is a vast difference in the words “believe” and “know”. Like the preacher says at church ” know that you know that you know” instead of “believe that you believe that you believe” . I woke up to the lie(religion) that chewed up the majority of my life. If I can do it then anyone else can also.
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2:36 pm
I found a pretty Valentine’s poem for all the Atheists.
“We are going to die, and that makes us the lucky ones. Most people are never going to die because they are never going to be born. The potential people who could have been here in my place but who will in fact never see the light of day outnumber the sand grains of Arabia. Certainly those unborn ghosts include greater poets than Keats, scientists greater than Newton. We know this because the set of possible people allowed by our DNA so massively exceeds the set of actual people. In the teeth of these stupefying odds it is you and I, in our ordinariness, that are here.” Richard Dawkins, Unweaving the Rainbow
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3:00 pm
…who the fuck said that atheists can’t love? Everybody’s capable of loving if there’s someone worth giving love to.
Gay people can love.
Straight people can love.
Atheists can love.
Hell, animals can love.
Suck it the fuck up and go do something productive with your life. Quit wasting bandwidth and oxygen.
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3:12 pm
It would appear that your God displays most, if not all, of the symptoms of NPD.
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3:20 pm
Hey Blanche, thanks for identifying what is actually wrong with your god. He fits the criteria of NPD perfectly. As for the rest of your claptrap…..ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha…..pause for breath…..ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! No other comment needed.
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7:23 pm
I lost it at “requires thinking outside of their own interests and experience as well as expressing an emotional maturity beyond their ability.”
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11:08 pm
May I note again that you are all bigoted bastards?
I’m an atheist who is happily and deeply in love with her boyfriend. A to the T to the H-E-I-S-T ATHEIST. (although I’m not even sure if it’s in your mental capacity currently to spell, all you seem to be able to do is copy and paste random shit from the bible.)
Plus, these said symptoms of this alleged Narcissism disorder are applicable to most of humans. It’s human nature to believe you are special or better than someone. We’re not perfect.
As well, atheists are not hateful beings. I have no problem with churches and will attend services on occasion, and I accept all religious views and take them into consideration (which you, clearly, do not).
I only have two words for you, good sir/madame
“SHUT UP.”
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11:20 pm
Just more charcoal for Satan’s fire pit.
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11:19 pm
Congratulations, good sir! You receive my utmost disgust and hatred!
Call me what you will, but I am not afraid to have you know that I am an atheist myself. A weak one nonetheless, more agnostic than atheist really, but it seems you group them all together here.
Now that that is out of the way, I will share my opinion. Yes, you are an idiot. Yes, all who agree with you are idiots. I should just end right here, but I think you all deserve to know why what you think is entirely false.
First off, love has nothing to do with any higher being(s). It is a purely human emotion, something we, as pack/herd animals, have created. It isn’t physical, it’s the same thing as winter or thought. You can’t see it, you can’t hold it, you can only see signs of it. There’s a bit of reason among chaos right there, because now I’m going to speak my honest opinion.
Understand, sir, right now, that I, as well as most atheists and agnostics, have nothing against other religions. Most of us just choose not to believe for personal reasons, for example myself. It doesn’t mean we worship Satan or believe in some evil being, whatever. So shut the hell up with your absolutely moronic talk of that in this and other articles.
I’ll end this with a rather simple note: according to that list about classifying yourself as atheist/agnostic/”NPD”, the majority of people are grouped under that. If you ask me, you think you’re so high and mighty to just throw people under the bus so to speak, maybe YOU’RE an atheist yourself!
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12:47 pm
You wingnut.
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10:05 am
I am an Atheist and I love how stupid this is.
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10:25 am
Peter, I love you for loving it. Happy Valentine’s Day!
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9:45 pm
This is so ridiculous. You are such a hypocrite to tell someone that they can’t love. I’m an atheist. I can’t help it and I can’t change my beliefs. I could try. I could go to church and I could pray, but why would I? It would make me such a horrible person to practice a religion that I don’t believe in or truly understand. Religious people think that they are better than everyone else. Practicing a religion does not automatically make you a better person or more capable to love. It takes good morals and selflessness. You can get both of these things without being religious. I know a lot of people that are really religious, but when it comes down to it, they’re horrible people. I am definitely capable of love. I love my family, I love my friends, and I love everyone, even if they give me a reason not to. My family and friends have taught me how to love. Not god.
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12:27 pm
Obviously the phrase, “Only God can judge me” doesn’t apply here.
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4:15 pm
http://www.wowomg.com/ I suggest that anyone who isn’t atheist please watch this informed film I made with a friend of mine. sincerely yours James.
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7:50 pm
We have a lot of emotions, we just don’t use: a book to confirm our ideas; brute attack against people with different ideas.

We are open minded, we are free to think what we want, our parents doesn’t constrict us to follow religion, it our choice.
Do you really want to be guided? You don’t know what is good and what is bad? I’m non satanist or blablabla, satan is just an invention of the religion that controlled a lot of people mind in the world every moment, but i’m happy, you’re few, just a little part of humans, this humans, that follow different religion, philosophies and whatevere you want.
Please don’t constrict ours children to yours religion, don’t enter in our private lifelike everyday.
You are few.
And when you go to the hell, because you’ve mistaken the religion, I and you will have a good talk
BE GOOD IS NOT BE CHRISTIAN
YOU NEED MORE RESPECT :3
sorry for bad eglish, I’m italian, from a city, in a country, on a planet, in an universe. Try to convince me to the contrary
salùt
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