Cherokee Indians Say They Can Kick Blacks out of Tribe
Cherokee Indians want to kick blacks out of tribe, US government wants second-largest Indian tribe to recognize as citizens 2,800 descendants of slaves that were held by Cherokees.
The nation’s second-largest tribe of Indians, the Cherokee, stated on Tuesday that it would not allow the US government to dictate over their decision to banish over 2,800 African-Americans from Cherokee citizenship.
Standing tall and stoic, Cherokee Chief Joe Crittenden bellowed, “The Cherokee Nation will NOT be governed by the BIA!”
Crittenden is serving as interim chief for the Cherokee, who plan to hold an election for a new permanent Chief on September 24th. Word reached the US government that the Cherokee had schemed to remove black’s right to vote in the September election by banishing them from the tribe. The 2,800 blacks are known as Freedmen and are mostly the descendents of former slaves of the tribe who were forced to bear Cherokee children.
Many of these slaves were forced to move from the South when the Cherokee chose to move and settle down in their new home of Oklahoma.
During the Civil War, the Cherokee fought for the South. The Cherokee still hang confederate signs to this day and have resentment against blacks, who they were forced to free after Republican President Abraham Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation to effect in the defeated Democrat-infested South.
The African-American Cherokee lost their citizenship last month, when the Cherokee Supreme Court ruled that Cherokee Indians without African ancestry had the right to be racist bigots. The blacks were immediately kicked out and the tribe apparently thought that this would be seen as fine in the eyes of America proper.
But what these Cherokees must realize that this is our country. It is an American nation ruled by the Constitution. And if the Cherokees don’t like that, they can just get out of our country. America is a land for all people. The fact that the Cherokee are trying to kick out the blacks is racist. Martin Luther King, Jr., would be ashamed to see the Indians acting like this.
The US government has stated it will not recognize the new Tribal Chief if the Cherokee forfit the right of African-American Indians to vote in their upcoming election. Futhermore, The US Department of Housing and Urban Development has threatened to hold a $33 million disbursment to the tribe over this Freedman controversy.
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5:09 pm
Wow, these Indians are so racist. Who do they think they are? If they think they can treat African-Americans like this, we should just kick their ‘tribe’ out of our country. I hear India is fine this time of year.
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5:15 pm
Hypocrite.
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7:07 pm
So it’s wrong on their part with what their doing, yet you can say that if a crime happens, it’s instantly a black man’s fault and THAT isn’t wrong. You call them racist, and yet you can’t tell the difference between what an Indian and a Native American is.
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8:40 pm
I’ve never tried to kick a black person out of my tribe, so don’t try to put the monkey on my back.
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8:52 pm
You don’t even HAVE a tribe, you’re not apart of one, so how the hell is that an adequate statement?
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9:00 pm
I have never tried to kick a black person out of my tribe, the Indians are trying to do such. I say we can them out of America.
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11:52 pm
“I have never tried to kick a black person out of my tribe, the Indians are trying to do such. I say we can them out of America.”
Again, you don’t have a tribe, you’ve never been in a tribe, your comparison is pointless.
Also, ‘we can them out’? What the hell is that supposed to mean? Oh, you mean KICK them out? Oh, well then it makes that sentence a lot more coherent now. As for KICKING them out, you illiterate twit, the whole story isn’t even there. The idea of working with the Confederates was that they’d get a much larger chunk of land if they won. The Confederates offered them basically what the natives wanted in the beginning; a peaceful life of cohabitation. Whether or not they’d live up to that promise no one knows (and before you say shit, the other side made quite a few promises to slaves after freeing them and never kept the promise, even to this day), but when your people were pushed to the brink of extinction, and someone offers you a chance to get back what was yours, there’s a very good chance you’re going to take it.
Now, as for why this is happening, who knows (considering Abe’s track record, I refuse to believe most of the details, especially when this news is four years old), but before you go and pass judgment on the natives who are doing this, take a look at yourself. You think that black people cause welfare and violence (again, how the hell one ’causes’ welfare is a grammatically stupid statement), so how is the basics of what they’re doing any different from the basics of what you’re saying?
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12:00 am
Meh, it’s just a typo. And it’s good to know you’re anti-Semitic.
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12:40 am
Adam, how am I anti-Semitic? Do you have nothing else to add?
Coward, you can’t even come up with an argument. All you’re capable of doing is running away and making wild accusations, like the coward you are. Oh, and ‘just a typo’? You’ve dismissed entire arguments before when other people made a typo, so you’re intelligence is that of a brain-dead goldfish. That’s the attitude you’ve taken to other people when they’ve got a typo, so it’s only fair that you receive the same kind of treatment.
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5:04 pm
You’re trying to justify slavery and genocide, just like Hitler. I bet you sit under your sheets and get your jollies when the history channel has on a special about blacks being beaten down in the South. You likely reach the highest bits of ecstatic glee when a special about Hitler comes on.
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5:13 pm
So, seeing as I happen to be the “token Jew” here, I think it is actually up to me to decide who is being Anti-Semitic, and who is not. And right now, Adam, it happens to be you. So please do us all a favor and GDIAFCC and Fuck a Cactus. Maybe it will help with your sour disposition.
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12:37 am
The record clearly shows that more than 100 years ago, Congress took away the rights of any descendants of freedmen born after 1902.
Congress changed the treaty itself, and now, more than 100 years later, some members of Congress want to turn back the clock on one specific part of the treaty, a part they had already changed, and change it back.
That led to a petition drive for a ballot measure to determine who is a citizen of the nation.
Last year, nearly 77 percent of Cherokee voters decided in a special election to amend the nation’s constitution to remove about 2,800 freedmen descendants and other non-Indians from tribal rolls.
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7:47 pm
The fact these Indians want to take people rights away sickens me.
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11:15 pm
The fact that august is racist doenst “sickens me” because he is only another fundamentalist racist
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1:27 pm
The native Americans were not the ones that transported these people here !!! Also the Native Americans have a right to their decision ,, they are the ones that have lived the Socialistic dream by FORCE at the end of the barrel of a Gun .. I am proud of this decision .. We were here before any of you and have lost more than any of YOU White or Black !! Do you hear any of us we have been talking … I wonder to self does this mean Al Sharpton or Jackson will march in our nation ? My people do not have a caucaus ?
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8:42 pm
Indians live in America. Deal with it. And also, before you guys go trying to blame your woes on America, maybe a trip for alcohol detox should be what these tribes are focusing on instead of being racist against blacks.
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8:46 pm
I hate racisim.
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8:47 pm
Likewise, who would have thought they were holding klan rallies under the reservation tipi.
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1:45 am
I can not believe 3 people have condemned Augusts statement “I hate racisim.” what is wrong with you people?
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11:31 pm
He’s a hypocrite, plain and simple.
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11:38 pm
Susan is correct. Racisim is bad.
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11:41 pm
You’re racist towards black people, Asians, and so on, so then you’re a bad person with your admission that racism is bad.
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8:51 pm
Indians live in India. Native Americans live in America. If you want to get technical, yes, there are Indians in America, but they come from India. Also, do remember that our ancestors went and committed near-genocide on the natives and took their land, and then forced them into a small patch of land.
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9:01 pm
The land was not theirs.
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9:06 pm
You’re right, the land was not theirs to take. It belonged to the Natives. Hence, the government should have no say in what goes on on the reservations.
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9:29 pm
They had no concept of cartography nor continents. The land belongs to America. Read a map, son.
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9:39 pm
So just because they didn’t fully explore the land, that gave our ancestors permission to invade, kill, and steal ALL of their land and then force them into a tiny area?
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9:41 pm
Because we stole it/took it forcefully from the natives.
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9:52 pm
They had no stakes on the land and it’s not our fault that they were weak, unskilled and inept. If it was not for America, the Indians would have become paupers for the greedy French and British.
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9:57 pm
So, again, Native Americans, not Indians. The Indians didn’t come here till much later. And, they had been living here for centuries before the Spanish, French and English got here and started taking the lands from them.
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9:59 pm
The land was very much theirs. Were they not living there? Did they not grow food there? Had they not perfected the art of hunting, or of planting beans around the corn and pumpkins around the beans? Did they not treat the earth with respect?
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10:04 pm
“They had no stakes on the land”
Since when does living undisturbed in a place for thousands of years count as not having stakes on it?
“it’s not our fault that they were weak, unskilled and inept.”
First of all, by that logic, it’s not a rapist’s fault that his victim was too weak to fight him off. Second, the Native Americans were far from weak. If they were, why were the settlers at Jamestown so fucking scared of them? They built barricades around their settlement, for Christ’s sake!
As for being unskilled or inept, once again, far from it. Who was it who taught the settlers in Massachusetts that to have a successful crop they needed to plant beans around the corn and pumpkins around the beans? Do you have any idea how many settlers starved and froze to death during the first winter before the Native Americans taught them what to do?
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10:06 pm
Did they not have their names on Vespucci’s map?
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10:09 pm
Maps are completely irrelevant to this. The natives lived here first. It was THEIR land.
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10:09 pm
The natives were not trustworthy. If I were alive back then, I’d have sent them immediately to internment camps. With all their savage scalping of women and children, using their innards for day-to-day tools, the settlers had every right to fear them.
They would sneak around and attack at night, when the men had the guard down. What cowards. Picking on the defenseless, but we see how they responded when a true army stood up to them and asked them to relocate. They peacefully went on their way because they knew a butt-kicking would commence if they did not, because they are weak.
Their men till this day drink heavily of the bottle and their women sit around reservations all day, waiting on government handouts. If they want to defy America’s law, I say ship them to Mexico.
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10:15 pm
And yet again, you make false claims. Too many for me to go into, so i will let Claire do that.
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10:29 pm
“With all their savage scalping of women and children, using their innards for day-to-day tools”
So then which were they – inept or skilled?
“They would sneak around and attack at night, when the men had the guard down. What cowards.”
Does this mean that the guerrilla tactics used by some of the Americans during the Revolution were cowardly as well?
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11:33 pm
“They had no stakes on the land and it’s not our fault that they were weak, unskilled and inept. If it was not for America, the Indians would have become paupers for the greedy French and British.”
Like Claire said, they lived on the land the entire time. They’ve been there longer than any other person, so how is that not their land?
As for being weak, unskilled and inept, you’re completely wrong on all accounts. If it wasn’t for the fact that they didn’t experience the same kind diseases that plagued Europe for the longest time, they probably would have won. Basically, the victory over them was the first use of biological warfare. A soldier at home with the sniffles could have ended up affecting the water supply and when a Native American went to get a drink from that same one some time later, he ends up with something a helluva lot worse than a cold.
“Did they not have their names on Vespucci’s map?”
And that matters how or why?
“The natives were not trustworthy.”
Oh yeah, because going up to a bunch of people who have been suffering and trying to live and helping them out for literally no reason whatsoever is COMPLETELY unworthy of trust. It’s not like they were backstabbed by the very people they helped save, oh no, they were liars and brutes from day one.
Oh wait, that’s not true at all, they ARE completely trustworthy, at least back then they were, all things considered.
“If I were alive back then, I’d have sent them immediately to internment camps.”
Yeah, you’re Hitler reincarnated. Hitler escaped from Hell the moment you were conceived, and your soulless fetus allowed him to escape.
“With all their savage scalping of women and children, using their innards for day-to-day tools, the settlers had every right to fear them.”
Considering how they were attacked, backstabbed, and their own people tormented and tortured by the people they helped saved, and how all’s fair in love and war, they aren’t as bad as you’re trying to make them out when you compared them to who they gutted in the first place.
“They would sneak around and attack at night, when the men had the guard down. What cowards.”
That’s the most basic strategy in the entire history of warfare. Hell, look at what you want to do; you want to drop nukes all over the country, and considering how advanced technology is, all it takes to commit genocide nowadays is pressing a button. You call them cowards yet you defend an action that’s even worse? An action that wipes out more innocent lives?
“Picking on the defenseless, but we see how they responded when a true army stood up to them and asked them to relocate. They peacefully went on their way because they knew a butt-kicking would commence if they did not, because they are weak.”
Actually, they were beaten down to a pulp and weakened already, they didn’t have the strength or numbers to fight. Their weapons were taken and their forces dying from battle and disease. It was either relocate and attempt to stay alive, or fight to the death and end their heritage. All the government cared about was the land, they had no intention of actively going out to kill them, but they were certainly no against the idea of doing such a thing if they interfered.
“Their men till this day drink heavily of the bottle and their women sit around reservations all day, waiting on government handouts.”
That’s because that’s all they get. Unless they move off the land and become successful at life, they’re stuck on the reservations, being handed fatty foods and poor healthcare, with nothing else to do. Most of the people on the reservations are old and can’t work, or the work they can do was outsourced. You can’t exactly sit there and continue to be judgmental about those people when you consider that they’ve become a victim of time, as well as a terrible health and food program that was set up on the reservations. At least, not without looking like a complete asshole, though I’m sure you certainly don’t mind since you hate them. You’re racist towards Mexicans and black people, it’s not surprising that you’d hate the natives of this land because they aren’t a deathly pale white.
“If they want to defy America’s law, I say ship them to Mexico.”
You defy America’s law, so then we should ship you to the middle of a sea and then blow it up when you have no legal protection. You just sit on your ass and hate everything and you want to make the lives of other people worse. You don’t get the actual problem, you just see a symptom and you want to lob off whatever’s affected instead of treating the source.
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12:03 am
Treating the source is simple. Kick out the racist Indians.
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12:03 am
Treating the source is simple. Kick out the racist Indians.
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12:42 am
You call them racist, and you can’t even tell the difference between a Native American and an Indian.
And kicking them out will solve the problem? Alright, let’s kick you out, your racism is worse then theirs, so it works out in the end!
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7:53 pm
“America is a land for all people.”
Perhaps the authors on this site need to remember THAT the next time they’re bashing the ‘homogays’
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10:06 pm
Adam probably considers the Trail of Tears to be worthy of a laugh track. Sick fucker.
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10:10 pm
It’s blown way out of proportion.
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10:22 pm
Over 4,000 died.
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1:09 pm
There was a pretty good documentary produced about the Trail of Tears. You can find parts of it on youtube.com. Here is the link to the first part.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGBHAqur5YY
After opening, you will find listings for additional parts on the right.
Judge for youself if you feel it is “over blown.”
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8:50 pm
Meh. Many Americans died too.
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10:12 pm
Who is the ignorant fool that wrote this? Ever hear of checking a few historic facts?
“The Cherokee chose to move and settle down in their new home of Oklahoma.”
Whoever wrote this is a complete idiot!!!
In 1838 and 1839, as part of Andrew Jackson’s Indian removal policy, the Cherokee nation was forced to give up its lands east of the Mississippi River and to migrate to an area in present-day Oklahoma. The Cherokee people called this journey the “Trail of Tears,” because of its devastating effects. The migrants faced hunger, disease, and exhaustion on the forced march. Over 4,000 out of 15,000 of the Cherokees died.
“And if the Cherokees don’t like that, they can just get out of our country.”
“Our Country?”
We did not invite your ancestors to our Turtle Island, but they came, and kept coming and destroyed all that they laid their hands to.
And now, look at the idiot their seed has spawned.
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10:14 pm
Yet, Claire claims this was ‘their land’ and they could not even survive a government-sanctioned walk across it?
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11:34 pm
You walk across the desert in the hottest of weathers with barely any supplies, and see how far you get. Now imagine several thousand people doing the same thing but sharing the supplies, without the supplies being any greater.
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5:02 pm
So they walked across a hot desert? Which desert did they Indians walk across, LN?
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11:28 pm
I’m certain they crossed the Thar Desert at least once, if only to map it out, as well as it being pretty damn big and with a lot of other cities beyond the sand. Ya know, because they live in India.
Now, as for NATIVE AMERICANS, I was making a comparison. With no real supplies at hand, and being forced to quickly move to a particular location very far out, they couldn’t just stop any time they wanted to rebuild themselves up to continue the journey. The weather certainly didn’t help either.
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1:13 pm
In other words, they did not cross a desert. You liberals love to blow things out of proporation thing backpeddle when you get called out on your bull crap.
The Indians did not have to tredge across some desert. If this was their land, a trek across it wouldn’t have been so bad now would it? I don’t hear countless stories about the settlers moaning and crying over the Oregon Trail, and one of the dangers were the bloodthirsty tomahawk wielding backstabbers themselves!
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5:58 pm
Your degree of ignorance is astounding. You must be proud of it though, for why else would you wave it so gallantly for all to see?
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10:47 pm
Indians traded away their land for beads, alcohol and shells. Its them who should be ashamed.
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11:39 pm
To them, it was all new, valuable treasures that were worth a fortune. Imagine a race of space aliens show up to trade with us, and they proceed to show off a bunch of shiny foreign objects and claim that they’re worth a great deal, and due to their rarity, is worth several bars of gold for just a mere scrap of the object. Now let’s say you find out that the object was basically trash that’s easily made through a process, and think of what your reaction would be. That’s more or less the same with them. The natives saw us as the foreign aliens who showed off shiny pieces of crap, said it was worth a lot, and then traded with them so that they got the crap and we got the good stuff.
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12:10 am
If aliens showed up and offered me trinkets for my land, I would say no. If I said yes, that’s my fault, not someone else’s.
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12:37 am
Not land, resources. It could be gold, oil, or various materials. The trinket itself doesn’t even after to be just a pretty object, they could lie and say it’s a communications device, or some other scientific breakthrough for us that’s mundane and worthless to them.
Here’s a better comparison; take any device that can be made today, whatever that you can get that’s cheap, and travel back in time to a younger society where these things are beyond their imagination, and ask for various non-perishable goods that are worth a lot of money today. You could spend a hundred bucks at most for an object in this day and age, and get something that’s worth thousands or millions thanks to age.
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12:44 am
I would not trust their lies, not for my land.
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1:00 am
And you can’t read.
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12:25 am
Adam’s a semen-puker. Who agrees?
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12:41 am
He’s a coward. Hell, I bet he laughed when 9/11 happened, thinking that God attacked New York due to future events. He’s that much of an asshole.
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12:18 pm
If he really were forced into such a vile homoerotic act as you are suggesting, would you seriously expect him to swallow rather than spit!
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5:06 pm
YES
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1:34 pm
“I would not trust their lies, not for my land.”
Here we have displayed the ignorance of the white man.
Lying was not a concept embrassed by Native People. You could lose your life for lying. Your word was ‘iron’. Whites never had such honor. Lie, cheat, slaughter – whatever it takes to get what you want – that is the white mans code.
Not a single treaty made between the whites and Natives was ever violated by the Native people.
Oh, and a note on the side, the Native People learned scalping from the white man. It was how the white man kept count and got paid his bounty for the slaughter of the Natives. The amount of the bounty was based upon whether it was the scalp of a man, a woman or a child.
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1:55 am
The Cherokee are a very racist bunch. They work tirelessly to exclude many of their own members and refuse to recognize anyone as a Cherokee unless they were sent to Oklahoma, in fact their are hundreds of thousands of ethnically Cherokee people that escaped the trail of tears and the Cherokee nation ignores them.
By the way Claire and LN most Indians do not care if you call them Indian, Native American or whatever. They prefer to be called by what ever tribe name they belong to. Cherokee would prefer to individually be called Cherokee. When it come to generalizations they are fine with the term INDIAN.
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1:55 am
and why are you two supporting racist? You should be ashamed of yourselves.
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2:28 am
You’re HALF right Susan. They prefer to be called by their tribe, but they do NOT like being called Indians. Not only do they find it offensive, but it also makes you look stupid because Indians are people who come from, well, INDIA. What would you call a person who comes from India if you call Native Americans Indians?
As for ‘supporting the racist’, Adam and August act as if they care about black people, when several times they’ve proven that they don’t give a damn, and even find them to be offensive and harmful. I’m showing them how much of an asshole the two of them are, and when they start making blanket statements, then things get worse, like how Adam is insulting the entire history of the people, and then changes the subject whenever he can’t provide a counter-argument. He’s so much of a coward that he dismissed his own typo, even though he’s completely ignored MANY points and statements before if there was so much as a single error, AND then he randomly calls me an anti-Semitic, after he’s said that he wants to throw people into internment camps.
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2:51 am
no I am ALL right. How many indians do you know? Howmuch do you know about their culture other than that your politically leftest propaganda machine tells you such as Indain is offensive.
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4:58 pm
I know quite a few of them, thank you, so fuck off.
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12:23 pm
Actually sister Susan is correct; as least as far as it applies to my region. Local area tribal peoples have returned to prefer being referred to as “Indians” rather than “Native Americans.” I’m not sure exactly why that is so, but I was actually discussing this recently with a couple of people from our local Chumash tribe.
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5:09 pm
actually, shes not.
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5:10 pm
Ever hear of the Dawes roll?
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5:37 am
I may not be all that smart, but whoes coutry? What’s going on here? L.N., I really don’t understand everhting that people are throwing a fit about, but I’m not interested to much what the white man thinks is racist. You seem more interested in what is right for the who were here in the first place. I would like the white man to stop telling us what we are or what we should do. I like you L.N, you do have courage!!!
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11:53 am
I suppose you are talking about the Western Band of Cherokee.
The Eastern Band, as of a couple years ago, had only a couple blacks living on the reservation.
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1:14 pm
What’s sick is all these liberals trying to excuse racism here by the Cherokee.
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8:28 pm
This is for Adam:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkV-of_eN2w
Perhaps he’ll learn a thing or two from it.
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