Religion&Homosexuality
This is an article that I’ve been thinking about writing for a long time. I realize now that I need to write this. I recently talked to my friend that is homosexual, and he told me to go for it. First of all, I am Bisexual. That means I am attracted to both males and females.
Th most common sexual orientations:
Homosexual- being attracted to the same gender as yourself
Heterosexual- being attracted to the opposite gender
Bisexual- attracted to both genders
Pansexual- attracted to any branch of the gender spectrum (this includes transgenders)
Asexual- liking no gender
Now I’ll like to talk about the most common misconception about Homosexuality/Bisexuality/Pansexuality is that it’s a choice. You’re sexuality is not a choice. No, it isn’t a choice and you need to realize that. I never said to myself that I was going to be attracted to females too, I just am. The same goes for my friend, he never decided to be attracted to men he just is. You can’t become a homosexual, you just are. You can try to become not homosexual, but you’ll fail.
Some of you want to know what do do if your child tells you they’re Homosexual. What you do is accept them. You can try to beat them until they become Heterosexual, but it won’t work. You can try to pray until the become Hetersexual, but it won’t work. If you find out that one of their classmates are Homosexual, you don’t need to worry. You can’t “catch gay.”
Also, I know some of you are confused about my religious beliefs, so I’m going to clear that up. I don’t consider myself to be any religion. I go to a Christian church, but I don’t call myself Christian. I believe that you aren’t judged by what you call yourself, you’re judged by what your beliefs are and your worship. A horse can call himself a cat, but he’s not a cat. It’s the same when it comes to religion. An Atheist can call themselves Catholic, but they aren’t Catholic. You can say you’re a good Christian when you’re not.
THIS IS LOVE:
THIS IS LOVE:
THIS IS LOVE:
- Excited
- Fascinated
- Amused
- Bored
- Sad
- Angry





I absolutely agree with everything you said. As a hetero with a gay best friend (Best friend as in we’re pretty much brothers at this point) I’ve seen the stuff he’s goes through and even taken a punch for him. I wouldn’t change him even if there was a way.
Bravo on a stupendous atricle…Never thought I’d say those words on Chrsitwire but you deserve them!
Praise or Condemn:
6
0
You must be gay also. Look at your poke-man avatar. You’re not fooling us.
Praise or Condemn:
0
4
They’re heterosexual.
Praise or Condemn:
3
0
AS NeillieBVB has said, I am hetero, meaning straight in case you skipped the article just to bash my avatar.
Alos, while I am a player of the Pokemon games, my avatar is actually of a My Little Pony.
Yes, I’m a Brony and happy about it.
Praise or Condemn:
4
0
Why did you only put lady lesbian kisses? I thought you wanted equality
Praise or Condemn:
1
7
I’m pretty sure the first pic of the couples making out is two guys…I apoligize to NellieBVB if I’m mistaken
Praise or Condemn:
5
0
Who can tell?
Praise or Condemn:
3
3
1- 2 guys
2- 2 girls
3- 1 guy and 1 girl
Praise or Condemn:
5
0
Next time try harder to put pictures that have the correct sexual gender
Praise or Condemn:
1
6
They are correct genders…Your just too blind to tell guys from girls.
Praise or Condemn:
6
0
It’s not his fault he’s only twelve and doesn’t know what a girl is.
Praise or Condemn:
6
0
@Tom Best comment ever
Praise or Condemn:
2
0
This article disrespects true love with lies and hate.
Praise or Condemn:
1
6
Is true love to you about beating your wife or disowning your son if her is a homosexual?
Praise or Condemn:
3
0
I have seen girls gone wild commercials on televeision. Gay is a choice, one made to sell DVD’s for $30 a month.
Praise or Condemn:
0
4
Those girls are just drunk attention whores, but who cares? It’s their lives.
And for the 180000th fuckin time, being gay is not a choice.
Praise or Condemn:
2
0
Those are porn stars. They are paid to have sex with the other women.
Praise or Condemn:
3
0
These aren’t lies. This isn’t hate. Love isn’t a gender.
Praise or Condemn:
4
0
Nellie, so do you support man-boy love? same gender
Praise or Condemn:
0
4
Your comment is poorly written, so I’m going to assume you’re asking why I support two men dating. It’s pretty simple. I am attracted to girls also, so why would I not want two guys being in love?
Praise or Condemn:
2
0
man-boy love, as in NAMBLA, grown man with a boy child. do you support that since you say all love is love?
Praise or Condemn:
1
2
It is love, but there is restrictions on that kind of love for a reason. A child isn’t mature enough for a relationship with someone much older than them. In that instance they must wait until the child is mature enough for the relationship.
Praise or Condemn:
2
0
What about a man and his daughter? Do you support that? I suppose you don’t like that either. Do you know where you moral discomfort comes from? Biblical teaching.
Praise or Condemn:
2
4
@Nicky
If you’re going to complain about pedophilia, I strongly suggest you shut your mouth. Do remember that Christ’s mother was 14 when she gave birth to him. While pedophilia is wrong, what’s just as bad is you trying to equate homosexuals, which usually consist of two consenting adults, with that of statutory rape.
Praise or Condemn:
3
0
Love is love, who am I to say it isn’t?
Praise or Condemn:
4
0
you look like a gay man boy so you should know.
Praise or Condemn:
1
2
Your Avatar says “Likes Boys”, yet your screen name is HomoDad. We can clearly see that you are a member of N.A.M.B.L.A. and therefore anything you post is invalid and most likely illegal.
Praise or Condemn:
0
3
This article cotains more love then everything on this site combined. Love isn’t defined as “between a man and women”. You fall in love with who you fall in love with, same gender or not.
Words for NellieBVB and NikkiBVB: I’m sorry if I’m going too far with agruing this. As I am not gay or bi, I will never know or feel what you guys go through. So sorry if I’m acting like I know or anything.
Praise or Condemn:
4
0
I really appreciate that you’re helping. I don’t think you’re acting like you know what it’s like, I think you’re just being a good person.
Praise or Condemn:
4
0
Glad to hear that I’m not being a bother. This subject just gets me riled up quickly.
Fun Fact: My friend took me to a gay bar once…Best fun I;ve had in a long time! Still straight too! Explain that Chrsitwire!
Praise or Condemn:
3
0
Fun Fact: One of my best friends is homosexual. He’s the one who helped me become more comfortable with my sexuality.
Praise or Condemn:
3
0
Fun Fact: OddAtheist like My Little Pony which instantly cancels the statement “still straight”.
Fun Fact: NellieBVB says she is “bi-sexual” which does not make her a lesbian. WRONG. You are a lesbian, you are just unattractive to most females around you, so you are keeping your options open. Bi-sexuals are the one proven fact that being gay is a choice. All being a Bi-sexual means is that either you’re too ugly to get with one sex or the other, or you are just a greedy whorelot who wants the best of both worlds.
Thank you for proving that gay is a choice by bringing up Bi-sexuals though. Very informative and helpful.
Praise or Condemn:
1
3
“Fun Fact: OddAtheist like My Little Pony which instantly cancels the statement “still straight” ”
Being a Brony dosen’t automatically label me as gay. I like the show because the comedy is simple yet hilarious at that the same time…Better then most TV shows on nowadays.
Praise or Condemn:
2
0
I’m not a lesbian. A lesbian is a woman who is attracted to only women. I am attracted to men and women. It’s very simple. I never chose to be attracted to women also, I just am. I’m also attracted to men.
Praise or Condemn:
2
0
Fun Fact: You extremist republican american rednecks need to take the dick out of your ass if you want to start criticizing other people for their sexuality
Praise or Condemn:
1
0
I’m kinda crying right now cuz i love this article. <3 I'm one of thousands who are bullied for their sexual orientation, its been a long time since something like this came across my path.
Lol im being all cheesy X) cool article
Praise or Condemn:
2
0
Don’t ever let people make you ashamed of who you are. Most of my school is homophobic, so I understand.
Praise or Condemn:
3
0
don’t lets these people Bullying you being homosexual is natural only christian are homophobic and deserve death penalty to hate everyone who is not like them
Therefore I have gay friend and they are Nice people
Praise or Condemn:
1
0
No homosexual has ever honestly answered this question: Why do you people hate America and Family Values so much?
Praise or Condemn:
2
5
Because we don’t hate America or Family Values.
Praise or Condemn:
4
0
There is a huge percentage of communists among homosexuals. They are our nation’s worst sexual deviants and abusers, addicts of drugs and pornography. They seek to undermine every grand tradition of our founding fathers, from freedom of religion to America’s faith. The Bible is clear about morality and the gays hate decency. There’s really no way of denying this.
Praise or Condemn:
1
4
“There is a huge percentage of communists among homosexuals.”
And I’m willing to bet that there’s a high percentage of communists among Christians, so does that make Christianity wrong? Why do different things scare you so much? Why do you continually lie and call it ‘proof’ that the different things are so scary?
Praise or Condemn:
2
1
You are gay period now shut up and return to your basement
America is land of freedom you wnat to destroy this land by wanting a theocracy and put every homosexual inside a dump
Praise or Condemn:
1
0
1) the bible is chalk full of rape, murder, sacrifices, and so much more
2) Where did you get this bullshit? Most Sexual deviants, abusers, drug addicts and porn addicts are usually, here it comes, straight white men. I know, this rocks your entire world.
3) Homosexuals have no intention of doing anything. You cat shit eating fuck heads are just delusional and need a punching bag
I used to think I was bi sexual. I feel like such an asshole know that I know I’m completely straight. I was an insult to true bi sexuals who probably go through hell daily. Keep up the good work, Nellie
Praise or Condemn:
1
0
“They seek to undermine every grand tradition of our founding fathers, from freedom of religion to America’s faith. ”
That statement is quite contradictory.
UMMMMMMMMMM………… YOU SEEK TO UNDETERMINE FREEDOM OF RELIGION. YOU ARE CONSTANTLY CRITISIZING ATHEISTS AND AGNOSTICS AND EVERY OTHER RELIGION ON THE PLANET.
AND ACTUALLY, THE FOUNDING FATHERS OF YoUR AMERICA WERE MOSTLY FREEMASONS (ATHEIST AGNOSTIC)
AMERICAS FAITH!?!??!?! THE FIRST AMENDMENT SAYS THAT RELIGION IS TO BE SEPERATED FROM THE STATE. (and they were smart for doing that as well.
take the dick out of your ass and get over yourslf
Praise or Condemn:
1
0
I don’t hate family values or America. I hate people who are homophobic. Everyone is guaranteed equal rights, yet I’m not allowed to marry the person I fall in love with if they’re the same gender. This country was founded because our forefathers wanted to have equal rights, yet some of us don’t have that. Not letting people of the same gender marry is just as bad as not letting someone vote because of their race. No, I don’t hate America, I just believe there needs to be a change.
Praise or Condemn:
4
1
Do you hate people who love American traditions and family values that are the foundations of our civilization?
Praise or Condemn:
0
2
I don’t remember anything about “preseving wholesome family values or traditions” (mainly because back at that time there wouldn’t be any traditions since America didn’t exist yet)) in the constitution, One of the biggest documents in the history of America if you forgot.
The bible had nothing to do with it as just an extra fact.
Praise or Condemn:
3
0
The only reason we he won the American Revolution is because of the help of a Homosexual man who turned our rag-tag army into an efficient fighting force.
Praise or Condemn:
2
1
WHAT? That is a complete lie. Homosexuals won the war? Laughing OUT Loud!
Praise or Condemn:
0
2
Even though I’ve never heard of that, I can actually see how it’s true…Might want to study a bit before making assumptions and being a dick about it, I mean you Mr. Billings.
Praise or Condemn:
2
1
The only wood in President Washington’s mouth was his false teeth.
Praise or Condemn:
2
2
General Friedrich von Steuben was a homosexual man who trained soldiers during the time spent at Valley Forge.
Praise or Condemn:
3
1
WIth a fruit name like that I wouldn’t be surprised.
Praise or Condemn:
2
3
So you’re completely dismissing the actions and efforts of a man who helped shaped this country into what it is (i.e. being free from tyranny) just because he’s gay?
Praise or Condemn:
2
2
Your tiara is showing, princess.
Praise or Condemn:
1
2
Why are you imagining men in tiaras Billings?
Praise or Condemn:
2
1
He was Prussian-born.
Praise or Condemn:
3
0
He was not an American; he was a foreign homogay.
Praise or Condemn:
2
3
So Clownboy is also admitting that he denies the efforts of a war hero just because he was gay.
Hey asshole, back then, EVERYONE was foreign to that land. The only people who weren’t foreign were the people who were there well before anyone showed up.
Praise or Condemn:
3
0
Where in this Official record about him, does it say that General Von Stueben, who actually lied to George Washington about his crediantials, was a gay? http://www.hoala.org/Grade_7/vonsteuben.html
Praise or Condemn:
0
2
Also, this Steuben guy didn’t join the American army until “Steuben traveled to Paris in the summer of 1777. As luck would have it, he was endorsed for service by the French Minister of War (Count de St. Germain) who fully realized the potential of an officer with Prussian General Staff training. Steuben was introduced to General Washington by means of a letter from Franklin as a “Lieutenant General in the King of Prussia’s service,” a certain exaggeration of his actual credentials. He was advanced travel funds and left Europe from Marseilles. On September 26th, 1777, he reached Portsmouth, New Hampshire and by December 1st, was being extravagantly entertained in Boston. Congress was in York Pennsylvania, after being ousted from Philadelphia for the winter and on February 5, 1778, Steuben was with them. They accepted his offer to volunteer, without pay for the time, and on the 23rd of the same month, Steuben was reporting for duty to General Washington at Valley Forge.” http://www.ushistory.org/valleyforge/served/steuben.html
How did he help us claim Independence on July 4, 1776, if he didn’t even show up until 1778? If he was gay, which nothing I have read proves he was, then I suppose that would be typical of a gay, showing up fashionably late.
I’m still looking for this reference to him being a gay. All I see is that he died a Bachelor, which was not uncommon in those times, especially for foreigners who spoke almost no English.
Praise or Condemn:
1
2
Billings, you have yet to answer any question asked directly at you. Period.
Praise or Condemn:
2
1
I have answered ALL of your relevant questions. The rest were just harassment and intellectual posturing. Grow some grapes, you little freak.
Praise or Condemn:
0
2
So apparently you count actual questions and such as harassment then.
Praise or Condemn:
2
1
Are you and Claire dating now or something? You people act more and more alike every day.
Praise or Condemn:
0
2
You’re an arrogant and ignorant fool who thinks he’s wise, and you constantly wonder why people hate you.
I wouldn’t have the foggiest clue Billings, I don’t see how anyone could hate such a homophobic, xenophobic asshole like you.
Praise or Condemn:
2
1
L.N, your “questions” are incredibly hateful, unproductive, and frankly, just plain MEAN. I don’t blame Dr. Billings for one second for refusing to lower himself to your level. GROW UP!!
Praise or Condemn:
1
2
He’s lower than dirt, he can’t even actually defend his points, he just turn tail and runs off like a little bitch.
Praise or Condemn:
3
1
They’ve never answered it because they DON’T hate America and family values.
Praise or Condemn:
2
1
what the F are you talking about? Where do you get that crp from? Gays are in military fighting for your freedoms to be an idiot. and I will match my kids and family values against yours any day
Praise or Condemn:
2
1
This person is obviously a liberal harlot who has not read God’s biblical word. The Bible clearly states that HomoGay is not Christian!
Leviticus 20:13 – “If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.” (NIV)
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 – “Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.” (NIV).
Praise or Condemn:
1
2
Stop livng your life in a book.
Praise or Condemn:
2
1
Stop living your life in an emosexual dark army
Praise or Condemn:
3
3
What I meant by that comment – Don’t just have a life where you live it judging people based on one book. Become your OWN person; find strengths, find love, find happiness. X)I’m happy with my life, I wouldn’t call myself or anyone “emo” or “emosexual”. And did you really have to include “dark”? What the fuckery does “dark” have to do with it? We don’t come out at night or live in the shadows lol.
Nice comeback BTW.
Praise or Condemn:
2
1
Think about this for a minute. God didn’t actually write the Bible. Other people did. This means that they could have changed some things to fit their personal beliefs. They could have put that in there simply because they were homophobic, and we’d never know that.
Praise or Condemn:
4
1
What about this word abomination that comes up in both passages? In Hebrew, “abominations” (TO’EBAH) are behaviors that people in a certain time and place consider tasteless or offensive. To the Jews an abomination was not a law, not something evil like rape or murder forbidden by the Ten Commandments. It was a common behavior by non-Jews that Jews thought was displeasing to God.
Jesus and Paul both said the holiness code in Leviticus does not pertain to Christian believers. Nevertheless, there are still people who pull the two verses about men sleeping together from this ancient holiness code to say that the Bible seems to condemn homosexuality.
Although the word homosexual was not used for the first time until later in the 19th century, Ulrichs recognized that homosexuals had been around from the beginning of recorded time, that we were “innately different from heterosexuals,” and that our desire for same-sex intimacy and affiliation is intrinsic, natural, inborn and/or shaped in earliest infancy. According to Dr. Ulrichs, what may have looked “unnatural” to Moses and Paul was in fact “natural” to homosexuals.
1 CORINTHIANS 6:9 AND 1 TIMOTHY 1:10
THE MYSTERY OF “MALOKOIS” AND “ARSENOKOITAI”
Now what do the writings of Paul in 1 Corinthians 6:9 and 1 Timothy 1:10 say, first, about God, and then about homosexuality? These are the last two places in the Bible that seem to refer to same-sex behavior. We can combine them because they are so similar.
Paul is exasperated. The Christians in Ephesus and Corinth are fighting among themselves. (Sound familiar?) In Corinth they’re even suing one another in secular courts. Paul shouts across the distance, “You are breaking God’s heart by the way you are treating one another.”
Like any good writer, Paul anticipates their first question: “Well, how are we supposed to treat one another?” Paul answers, “You know very well how to treat one another from the Jewish law written on tablets of stone.”
The Jewish law was created by God to help regulate human behavior. To remind the churches in Corinth and Ephesus how God wants us to treat one another, Paul recites examples from the Jewish law first. Don’t kill one another. Don’t sleep with a person who is married to someone else. Don’t lie or cheat or steal. The list goes on to include admonitions against fornication, idolatry, whoremongering, perjury, drunkenness, revelry, and extortion. He also includes “malokois” and “arsenokoitai.”
Here’s where the confusion begins. What’s a malokois? What’s an arsenokoitai? Actually, those two Greek words have confused scholars to this very day. We’ll say more about them later, when we ask what the texts say about sex. But first let’s see what the texts say about God.
After quoting from the Jewish law, Paul reminds the Christians in Corinth that they are under a new law: the law of Jesus, a law of love that requires us to do more than just avoid murder, adultery, lying, cheating, and stealing. Paul tells them what God wants is not strict adherence to a list of laws, but a pure heart, a good conscience, and a faith that isn’t phony.
That’s the lesson we all need to learn from these texts. God doesn’t want us squabbling over who is “in” and who is “out.” God wants us to love one another. It’s God’s task to judge us. It is NOT our task to judge one another.
So what do these two texts say about homosexuality? Are gays and lesbians on that list of sinners in the Jewish law that Paul quotes to make an entirely different point?
Greek scholars say that in first century the Greek word malaokois probably meant “effeminate call boys.” The New Revised Standard Version says “male prostitutes.”
As for arsenokoitai, Greek scholars don’t know exactly what it means — and the fact that we don’t know is a big part of this tragic debate. Some scholars believe Paul was coining a name to refer to the customers of “the effeminate call boys.” We might call them “dirty old men.” Others translate the word as “sodomites,” but never explain what that means.
In 1958, for the first time in history, a person translating that mysterious Greek word into English decided it meant homosexuals, even though there is, in fact, no such word in Greek or Hebrew. But that translator made the decision for all of us that placed the word homosexual in the English-language Bible for the very first time.
In the past, people used Paul’s writings to support slavery, segregation, and apartheid. People still use Paul’s writings to oppress women and limit their role in the home, in church, and in society.
Now we have to ask ourselves, “Is it happening again?” Is a word in Greek that has no clear definition being used to reflect society’s prejudice and condemn God’s gay children?
We all need to look more closely at that mysterious Greek word arsenokoitai in its original context. I find most convincing the argument from history that Paul is condemning the married men who hired hairless young boys (malakois) for sexual pleasure just as they hired smooth-skinned young girls for that purpose.
Responsible homosexuals would join Paul in condemning anyone who uses children for sex, just as we would join anyone else in condemning the threatened gang rape in Sodom or the behavior of the sex-crazed priests and priestesses in Rome. So, once again, I am convinced that this passage says a lot about God, but nothing about homosexuality as we understand it today.
You people waiving your bibles need to learn what you are yelling about for you don’t know
Praise or Condemn:
2
0
Miss Nellie, I feel sorry for you. I really do. You are so misguided. Homosexuality and other deviant lifestyles are indeed choices and I don’t think you properly understand the Bible, which clearly states in Leviticus that homosexuality is strictly forbidden. I will pray for your Soul, Nellie, because I really mean ell for you, and I’m sorry that the Black Vile Brides have brainwashed you into this emosexual liberal lifestyle because I know you could be so much Better than that.
Praise or Condemn:
1
2
I’ve known I was bisexual long before I started listening to Black Veil Brides. Think about this for a minute. God didn’t actually write the Bible. Other people did. This means that they could have changed some things to fit their personal beliefs. They could have put that in there simply because they were homophobic, and we’d never know that.
Praise or Condemn:
2
1
“which clearly states in Leviticus that homosexuality is strictly forbidden. ”
It also states a hell of a lot of other things, but you all happen to just conveniently ignore them when they come up.
Praise or Condemn:
2
1
Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightfully dividing the word of truth.
II Timothy: 2:15
If you would only open your heart to listen to the words of God in meditation and study, you would know how to discern the relevant parts of books like Leviticus in this modern and cruel world.
Praise or Condemn:
1
3
So you’re admitting that you’re a hypocrite and that you pick and choose what to follow then?
Praise or Condemn:
2
1
So you’re admitting that you’re a rabble-rouser who’s only here to make people mad? I highly doubt your comments are in the interest of serious discussion, young lady.
Praise or Condemn:
1
2
Hank, you should really stop cheating on your wife. At this rate you’re going to give her AIDs.
Praise or Condemn:
2
1
1) I do not cheat on my wife.
2) I do not have AIDS. I am not a gay. I am a businessman. I am Businessman Hank.
You’re here to prove my point, aren’t you?
Praise or Condemn:
2
2
Then what about that one woman I saw you with, the one who asked about your wife right before you started making out with her? I recall her slapping you after you told her you’ve done that with plenty of other women before.
Praise or Condemn:
2
1
You have never seen me, because we have never met. I am not someone you have met before. I am a businessman. I am Businessman Hank.
Praise or Condemn:
2
2
L.N, have you ever run a successful business like Businessman Hank? Or is your “job” to unjustly pick on the fine staff here at Christwire.org?
That’s what I thought. You have NO BUSINESS here. Be gone, heathen!
Praise or Condemn:
2
2
so is getting a haircut or wearing poly cotton clothing while you go to red lobster. so stop ruining others lives with your lies and shut TFU
Praise or Condemn:
2
0
Leviticus was a set of laws to separate the tribe of israel from the rest of the world. learn something.
all of you screaming homosexuality is wrong…watch this ENTIRELY then come back and give a valid argument
Praise or Condemn:
2
0
These people say it’s okay as long as its love probably want to marry goats and cats.
Praise or Condemn:
1
2
Because goats and cats can sign documents in human language, right?
Praise or Condemn:
2
1
Blacks and Mexicans cant either.
Praise or Condemn:
1
4
Racist pig.
Praise or Condemn:
2
1
Slanderer.
Praise or Condemn:
2
3
@Hanky
Moron. Now thanks for playing the name game.
Praise or Condemn:
2
1
But he actually is a slanderer. He says things about me that are not true. I am not lying.
Praise or Condemn:
0
2
Shut The Fuck Up! You’re whinier than my 3 year old cousin.
Praise or Condemn:
2
0
Have to agree about him being a Racist Pig…August, that commment was just cruel and wrong and multiple levels
Praise or Condemn:
2
0
“Odd Atheist” is an oxymoron, is it not?
Praise or Condemn:
0
2
Please ignore the above. God Bless.
“Odd Atheist” is a bit redundant, is it not?
Praise or Condemn:
0
2
To Mr. Creepy Clown: Is your last name supposed to sound like one a gay porn star would use.
Also, by saying my name is redundant do you mean to say that all Athiests are odd? Why are we odd? Because we’re different then you? Because we don’t believe in the same nonsense as you do?
Go home and touch children clownboy
Praise or Condemn:
2
0
Neither can you, Mr. Dollar Sign Goes After the Number.
Praise or Condemn:
2
1
“I go to a Christian church, but I don’t call myself Christian.”
This is meaningless. The act of going to Church in itself is a sign of commitment. Unless the only reason you’re going to church is that you are being forced by your parents, then your choice to attend is a reflection of your beliefs. You are Christian, though you may not be a specific denomination or sect.
Praise or Condemn:
1
3
Christian is just a word. You can call yourself what you want, but what you believe in your heart is what matters.
Praise or Condemn:
2
0
This article is filled to the brim with LIES!!! Its unrelenting hate is spilling out of a cauldron of slander and threatening to infect this holy site with homogay ooze. It is completely illogical and an affront to the values I hold dear to my Christian heart. It by no means stands up to the gold standard of Christian Investigative Journalism expected at Christwire.org. Moderators please remove this cesspool of homogay agenda misinformation and may we never speak of this FILTH again. The author should be ASHAMED!!!!!!!!!
Praise or Condemn:
3
2
1) This is not hateful in any way.
2) “homogay” isn’t a word
3) How is it illogical?
4) This is 100% truthful
5) Why should I be ashamed of who I am?
6) you’re a moron
Praise or Condemn:
3
1
UPDATE: This article has been flagged for immoral content and will be coming down from this holy site very soon. Glory!
Praise or Condemn:
1
3
Thank you!
Praise or Condemn:
2
1
Welcome, Auggie! But, don’t thank me. All glory to God!
Praise or Condemn:
0
3
And it’s still up. LOSER!
Praise or Condemn:
2
0
It’s still up dumbass.
Praise or Condemn:
2
0
Immoral content? Just what about this is immoral? If anything on this website is immoral, i’d have to say it’s the people who normally write the articles, and discourage others for being who they are. Much like you, and a number of other names on this website.
And to clarify, no not like Claire, or OddAthiest, or NellieBVB, or L.N. before you try to twist my words around.
Almost all of the articles on this website are immoral. Except this one of course. This article can be no farther from the truth than saying the earth is round! Being homosexual, asexual, bisexual, or heterosexual is not a choice. If you’re a woman and are in love with another woman, you are. You can’t change that. I have many friends who are homosexual and bisexual. And heterosexual too, but i don’t exclude them from being my friend because of who they are attracted to.
Besides, this article has yet to come down. Hense how i am reading and commenting.
Praise or Condemn:
1
0
your christian lies you hold dear to your heart are just that do you think jesus was blond and blue eyed and spoke english? do you speak another language? words don’t translate as you think they do. I bet the word for idiot is as varied as the many fables that the church hierarchy has forced on you so they can hold onto more profit and power
1 CORINTHIANS 6:9 AND 1 TIMOTHY 1:10
THE MYSTERY OF “MALOKOIS” AND “ARSENOKOITAI”
Now what do the writings of Paul in 1 Corinthians 6:9 and 1 Timothy 1:10 say, first, about God, and then about homosexuality? These are the last two places in the Bible that seem to refer to same-sex behavior. We can combine them because they are so similar.
Paul is exasperated. The Christians in Ephesus and Corinth are fighting among themselves. (Sound familiar?) In Corinth they’re even suing one another in secular courts. Paul shouts across the distance, “You are breaking God’s heart by the way you are treating one another.”
Like any good writer, Paul anticipates their first question: “Well, how are we supposed to treat one another?” Paul answers, “You know very well how to treat one another from the Jewish law written on tablets of stone.”
The Jewish law was created by God to help regulate human behavior. To remind the churches in Corinth and Ephesus how God wants us to treat one another, Paul recites examples from the Jewish law first. Don’t kill one another. Don’t sleep with a person who is married to someone else. Don’t lie or cheat or steal. The list goes on to include admonitions against fornication, idolatry, whoremongering, perjury, drunkenness, revelry, and extortion. He also includes “malokois” and “arsenokoitai.”
Here’s where the confusion begins. What’s a malokois? What’s an arsenokoitai? Actually, those two Greek words have confused scholars to this very day. We’ll say more about them later, when we ask what the texts say about sex. But first let’s see what the texts say about God.
After quoting from the Jewish law, Paul reminds the Christians in Corinth that they are under a new law: the law of Jesus, a law of love that requires us to do more than just avoid murder, adultery, lying, cheating, and stealing. Paul tells them what God wants is not strict adherence to a list of laws, but a pure heart, a good conscience, and a faith that isn’t phony.
That’s the lesson we all need to learn from these texts. God doesn’t want us squabbling over who is “in” and who is “out.” God wants us to love one another. It’s God’s task to judge us. It is NOT our task to judge one another.
So what do these two texts say about homosexuality? Are gays and lesbians on that list of sinners in the Jewish law that Paul quotes to make an entirely different point?
Greek scholars say that in first century the Greek word malaokois probably meant “effeminate call boys.” The New Revised Standard Version says “male prostitutes.”
As for arsenokoitai, Greek scholars don’t know exactly what it means — and the fact that we don’t know is a big part of this tragic debate. Some scholars believe Paul was coining a name to refer to the customers of “the effeminate call boys.” We might call them “dirty old men.” Others translate the word as “sodomites,” but never explain what that means.
In 1958, for the first time in history, a person translating that mysterious Greek word into English decided it meant homosexuals, even though there is, in fact, no such word in Greek or Hebrew. But that translator made the decision for all of us that placed the word homosexual in the English-language Bible for the very first time.
In the past, people used Paul’s writings to support slavery, segregation, and apartheid. People still use Paul’s writings to oppress women and limit their role in the home, in church, and in society.
Now we have to ask ourselves, “Is it happening again?” Is a word in Greek that has no clear definition being used to reflect society’s prejudice and condemn God’s gay children?
We all need to look more closely at that mysterious Greek word arsenokoitai in its original context. I find most convincing the argument from history that Paul is condemning the married men who hired hairless young boys (malakois) for sexual pleasure just as they hired smooth-skinned young girls for that purpose.
Responsible homosexuals would join Paul in condemning anyone who uses children for sex, just as we would join anyone else in condemning the threatened gang rape in Sodom or the behavior of the sex-crazed priests and priestesses in Rome. So, once again, I am convinced that this passage says a lot about God, but nothing about homosexuality as we understand it today.
Praise or Condemn:
2
2
This hateful comment is yet another reason why this hateful article will be deleted in mere moments. Hate begets hate. God bless, everyone!
Praise or Condemn:
2
2
Then why are you so shocked when people hate you, Clownboy?
Praise or Condemn:
2
1
It hasn’t been taken down dumbass.
Praise or Condemn:
2
1
I hope it doesn’t. I was just beginning to establish a rather pleasant report with L.N, the rabble-rouser.
Praise or Condemn:
0
2
L.N. is a nice person. He just hates idiots. You’re an idiot so he hates you.
Praise or Condemn:
2
0
Yeah, still up. I guess that makes you a loser twice.
Praise or Condemn:
2
0
I would like to see the stats because I bet at least 10% of the girls going to these BVB concerts become teenager moms.
Praise or Condemn:
0
2
I don’t think theres even a way to track that stat…Even if we could somehow, I bet your completely wrong.
Praise or Condemn:
2
1
UPDATE: This vile article has been yanked from the front page. Thank you Mods and GOD BLESS! Honk, honk!
Praise or Condemn:
2
2
Well at least we Christians aren’t afraid of free speech and we allowed it there in the first place.
Praise or Condemn:
2
2
Then why did Clownboy want this taken down if he’s supposed to be about free speech?
Praise or Condemn:
2
0
There is a limit to free speech when it is directly correlated with insurrection and violent overthrow of the political order. I will not stand idle while the homogay agenda threatens our very way of life and presents a threat to democracy itself. I will NOT live in a socialist nation, comrade!
Praise or Condemn:
1
3
Uh, no, there’s no limit to free speech asshole. You just want people to do what you want them to and you don’t care what they think about it.
Praise or Condemn:
2
1
democracy You mean the oice of people that incldue Gay ? and “oups socialist/communist”
Go read about democracy clownboy
Praise or Condemn:
1
0
What the hell does Homosexuality and socialism have to do with each other? And Russia is a Communist country. There is a difference
Praise or Condemn:
2
0
It was removed from the front page because it only shows so may stories there.
Praise or Condemn:
1
3
Not content with the outright lies in your article, you continue to spread your untruths in the comments section. Quite a sad commentary on the youth in this country. God help America.
Praise or Condemn:
1
2
You have no idea how the internet works, do you Clownboy?
Praise or Condemn:
3
0
I’m sorry but that makes you once, twice, three times a loser. I got here from the front page.
Praise or Condemn:
2
0
This article is amazing. Well done NellieBVB. I’m a homosexual and this article explains perfectly that being gay is not a choice. It is simply the way we are born
Praise or Condemn:
2
0
I don’t think you’ll see this, but I’m going to respond anyways. I was tired with the nonsense on this website, so I decided to write this for two reasons.
1) To show them that your sexuality isn’t a choice
2) To show them that what you call yourself doesn’t matter. They call themselves Christians, when they aren’t.
Praise or Condemn:
3
0
They aren’t Christians. They’re republican extremists. And extremism is not a religion, that’s a totalitarian regime.
Praise or Condemn:
2
0
its why we should not vote for republican if you don,t wnat another Bush era policy with crap and destruction of 2 nation because he hates muslim
you know that before 2001 many american didnt even know about oussama ben laden (well people under 40 at least )
and most of them didnt even know about the religion Islam
Praise or Condemn:
1
0
I have been called a homosexual on this site, i am asexual.
Praise or Condemn:
2
0
YO MOTHAFUCKAS CHECK MY WEBSITE ITS ABOUT HATIN CHRISTWIRE
HELP US WIN THIS WAR AGAINST THE BITCHES
http://gildathegriffon.wordpress.com
Praise or Condemn:
2
0
Hey Mr. Creeper Clown,
This article still exists despite the fact you said it was completely taken down.
Just wanted to let you know how much of an idiot you are. Please figure out the damn internet before coming back
Your Enemy, OddAtheist
Praise or Condemn:
1
0
Why is Christwire posting these pornographic pictures? We have to be diligent about what sort of images get posted here. At least have a warning for any women that might be researching this site to avert their eyes lest they be exposed to this filth.
Praise or Condemn:
1
1
1st: None of those pictures are pornographic.
2nd: Why give warnings for women? Are they not allowed to see this so called “pornographic” material?
3rd: It’s not filth. Just accept homosexuals. They are not a danger as you think they are.
Praise or Condemn:
1
1