Do Married Women Have A Sole Sovereignty to their Womb?

Mike Collins
• ChristWire
February 23, 2012 5:01 am147 comments

Hell no.  Pardon my French, but as long as a woman’s lazy butt is going to limit me to one female, eat my food, spend my money and effect my day, I got some ownership if my seed ends up in her. 

Women, face it, when you get married you do not have sovereignty over your womb.

When you enter marriage, you become one.  Just like I would be looked down on if one day I kicked my wife and kids out of my home, a woman should be looked down on if she tries to kick my kid out of her before its time.  I’m talking about abortion here you all, so let’s just be real.

At some point time, when were decent and realized that their womb was not sovereign property. A husband is a leader of all things in the home, and that includes his personal oven.

When a zygote is formed, it takes two to tango.  And if my genes are in the mix, that is my property.  It is not a sole ownership, so I don’t see why all you women out there think that if you consent to put yourself in a pregnancy situation, you should get special rights to murder the life us men put into you.

Furthermore, look at it like this.  If a woman divorces a man, she gets all the goods.  Look at poor Kobe Bryant.  His wife has not won 5 championship rings or has had to practice hard every day to earn a living.  Yet, Kobe makes one little mistake compared to who knows how many she has made, and yet she gets to take half of everything he owns.  He gets nothing?

Men are getting the shaft in this modern legal system.  Feminists have litigated a country of extreme bias and prejudice.  Men, we should be offended that women think they have the right to play God over the lives of our internally growing children.  There is no justification for destroying my seed and if any woman thinks otherwise, she needs a nice little tap across the lips to put her back into reality.

Do married women have sovereignty over their womb?  No.

And if your wife is lippy and says that makes no sense, then give her the official word of God.  If she doesn’t want to give you your say about what is yours, let her know hellfire is the place where mouthy wives go.

“Then the word of the LORD came to me, saying: “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; before you were born I sanctified you; I ordained you a prophet to the nations.” (Jeremiah 1:4-5).

“What then shall I do when God rises up? When He punishes, how shall I answer Him? Did not He who made me in the womb make them? Did not the same One fashion us in the womb?” (Job 31:14-15)

See a trend here?

Nowhere in those verses does it say, “Women, murder your children if you feel like it.”

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147 Comments

  • Great article.
    When asked if God will cure Aids, Cathylick Mother Theresa said, “I talked to God and he sent someone to cure aids but that person was killed in the womb.”
    I would have been frightened had these words come from a Christian but since they’re from a bead counting crazy woman, I became relieved.

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  • I do agree with how one sided divorce is, but a womens uterus doesn’t belong with her husband. A marriage is two people in love with each other, not a man and his slave.

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    • The point is that women do not have sole right to a child. Just because a man’s child is growing in the wife, she cannot have sole ownership and decide if she wants to kill it without her husband’s consent.

      At the very least, if a woman wants to get an abortion and the husband disagrees, a court of law should be invoked to review each party’s claims to rights.

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      • “The point is that women do not have sole right to a child.”

        No, but when it’s inside of her she has about 99% right, while her husband only has 1%.

        “Just because a man’s child is growing in the wife, she cannot have sole ownership and decide if she wants to kill it without her husband’s consent.”

        A “man’s child”? That seems to imply ownership.

        When it comes down to it, the mother has more rights than the father does, considering how she does 99% of the work.

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  • Hey, Fuck you Mike. All women have the right to say fucking no. You are so fucking wrong. I am not going to stand by and watch this. Fuck you.
    Dragonman, I appretiate this stand you take for us. Women have every right to say fucking no if they choose to. Just like we don’t need sex to be in love. I’m in a VERY pissy mood right now and Mike just made it fucking worse. They need to be ready for the full blow of my rage.

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    • Oh wow…
      You go on about how women should be equal than men and then you imply that child rearing is solely the mother’s idea.

      I swear you feminists want women to be “more” equal than men. It’s a damn shame since it teaches young girls that they can be as whorable as they want without any consequences.

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      • No, that’s not what it means Ex-smart one. What being equal to men means that we can work, we can vote, and we can be human instead of machines. Not that you’d know anything about that.

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        • Except we already have those rights…
          So feminism is no longer relevant, kinda like Unions.

          And like Unions nowadays feminism is all about trying to steal more and more from the male gender and trying to get laws passed to protect that thievery.

          There’s also a statistic that shows that feminist women are 95% more likely to cheat on their partners than non feminist women. Yet feminists are trying make it so that they can leave and still get half the man’s money.

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    • For fuck’s sake this is a PARODY of conservative values. The author does not really believe this shit and he wrote it for laughs. If you don’t like it, get off this site. I find the articles here very amusing because I can actually read sarcasm

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  • Calm down young lady, you are probably just suffering from hormonal problems.

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    • Nope. I am not about to have my period if that’s what you mean.
      I mean every word that I say. I have the right to say no to that kind of thing just like every other woman does as well. I don’t see why this is even a direction you would even consider going in.

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      • Sweetheart, when you finally have your first period, treat it like the blessed day that it is. You will then be a woman.
        Also, remember to keep a Bayer Aspirin with you so when you are confronted with the near occasion of sin, just carry it around between your knees. This will insure that you are able to provide a virgin bride to your future husband. You will gain favor with the community and become a gleam in eye of Jesus.
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      • “I am not about to have my period if that’s what you mean.”

        Please watch your language in here, sweetie.

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      • I have always tried to understand mental illness, but I’m lost by the above statement. Is there some reason you felt like explaining what part of your menstrual cycle you are on or is it just something you like to rant about?

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        • No, You said I might be having hormonal problems. I simply thought that my period was what you were talking about. If it’s not then leave it at that.
          Now, Like I said, I have every right to say no, so does every other woman.

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          • And I don’t have a mental illness.

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          • “That time of the month” would be an adequate explanation for your lewd, almost hysterical behavior, so I’m taken aback that you admit that this is how you behave on a regular basis. How are you ever going to find a man who will take care of you if you act this way three weeks out of any given month and then EVEN WORSE for the remaining week?

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          • I’m normal. Thankyou though. I don’t recall admitting that kind of thing. Especially since it’s not true.

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    • “Calm down young lady, you are probably just suffering from hormonal problems.”

      Translation: “I don’t have an argument; you win.”

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      • The poor hormone-imbalanced girl had already lost any argument there was when she went into her hysterical hissy-fit of swearing and stamping her feet.

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        • Actually you lost the argument by claiming that she has a hormone imbalance instead of actually taking the time to rebut her.

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          • Listen genius, she started ranting and using profanity before I commented.

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  • Brother Johnathan Bane Brother Johnathan Bane

    Mike you’re absolutely correct and this was a good read for me first thing in the morning. Marriage is a union between a man & woman. The Bible teaches us the man in every family is the head of his household. He is expected to be a good provider for his family, he is the protector of his wife, children and home. The woman is expected to care for her husband in the bedroom and to work to provide him with children. After you’re married your wife has no sovereign right to her womb, it belongs to her husband.

    For it is written,

    “Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.”
    Ephesians 5:22

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  • I don’t see how this makes sense… because clearly The Sky Man owns everything

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  • Funny how the hardcore feminazis get so agitated about this issue but when you turn the tables and ask them to pay for dinner or a new car, they cry “But I’m a girl!”

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    • I would never do that. Fuck you. I don’t need a man to stand on my own. I would “pay for dinner” or “a new car.” All by my self. Yes I am female, and I’m fully capeable of fending for myself.

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    • “Funny how the hardcore feminazis get so agitated about this issue but when you turn the tables and ask them to pay for dinner or a new car, they cry “But I’m a girl!””

      That’s absolutely ridiculous. Why would feminists – the very people who fight for equality in the work force (i.e. equal wages) – not want to pay for dinner or other expenses? The very idea of feminism is that women CAN do the same things as men (i.e. pay for meals, open our own doors, etc). The women who use gender as an excuse to not pay for meals are the very opposite of feminists.

      As for the author’s question, yes, married women and single women both have absolute sole sovereignty to their wombs.

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      • Thank you Claire. This is exactly the point I wanted to make too. You’re amazing.

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      • Feminism is just an excuse to complain why they don’t have husbands and when they get a man somewhat interested, they beat him over the head with all these demands to pay for things. Women of all stripes, even the feminist ones, never offer to pay for anything. Do you think Michelle Obama has ever covered her’s family’s expenses? In her case, it’s the taxpayers who are covering her jellicurl hairdos and trips to Spain.

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        • “Feminism is just an excuse to complain why they don’t have husbands and when they get a man somewhat interested, they beat him over the head with all these demands to pay for things.”

          Once again, that goes against everything that feminism stands for.

          “Women of all stripes, even the feminist ones, never offer to pay for anything.”

          Absolutely false, at least where feminist women are concerned. As I said before, the whole idea of feminism is that women are capable of earning salaries (the SAME salaries as men) and THUS are capable of spending their hard-earned money on the same things that men do.

          “Do you think Michelle Obama has ever covered her’s family’s expenses? In her case, it’s the taxpayers who are covering her jellicurl hairdos and trips to Spain.”

          Since when is Michelle Obama the embodiment of the average American woman? There’s a huge difference between being the wife of the president of the United States and being the wife of the average American male.

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          • A woman can’t hit a fastball 500feet. Woman’s sports are proof they are second class citizens. If women were equal, they could compete with men.

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          • Sports don’t mean jack in the long run…Basing equality off of sports is just idiotic…

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          • “A woman can’t hit a fastball 500feet. Woman’s sports are proof they are second class citizens. If women were equal, they could compete with men.”

            Then why are you sending your daughter to college, a good one at that? Isn’t that a waste if she’s just a second class citizen?

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          • Ouroboros
            “Sports don’t mean jack in the long run…Basing equality off of sports is just idiotic…”

            So you are saying women are equal…. except in a huge measure of physical and mental abilities.

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          • Claire,
            But you have stated that my daughter doesn’t exist, even though I just paid winter Quarter tuition. She was raised in my faith. She knows and is honored by a woman’s place in humanity. It’s something to be proud of. But by Youngest Just got a scholarship offer to Boise State and he can throw a football 5 times farther than she can. She is a better shot though….L.O.L

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          • “So you are saying women are equal…. except in a huge measure of physical and mental abilities”

            The heck? How did you get that from my post? Men and women should be treated as equals. Sports don’t matter at all in this argument.

            Who said women are mentally inferior? Hell, I know a lot of women who are so much smarter than me. Not going to lie, us guys tend to be idiotic…

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          • My wife is better than me at some things, sure. But by no means is she equal. A monkey can climb a tree better than an Asian, but a monkey is not equal to an Asian.

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          • “A monkey can climb a tree better than an Asian, but a monkey is not equal to an Asian.”

            So you’re comparing your wife to an animal.

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          • “She knows and is honored by a woman’s place in humanity. It’s something to be proud of.”

            And according to you, “a woman’s place in humanity” is popping out babies and being subservient to her husband. So why are you bothering to get her educated? As a matter of fact, shouldn’t she have popped out at least one kid by now? Why would you spend the money to send a second class citizen to a prestigious university? Won’t that just give her opinions on things? Isn’t is bad, according to you, for a woman to have opinions? After all, opinions might make her become lippy towards her husband. Oh, she doesn’t have a husband, you say? Shouldn’t she get a jump on that?

            “But by Youngest Just got a scholarship”

            Care to explain why you capitalized “youngest” and “just”?

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          • I am sure she will meet the right man when she is ready. And it’s good for a woman to go to a fine school. Going to Stanford has really given her a sense of belonging and she does enjoy the social aspect of it. It has also been good for her to live in a more urban area for a bit.
            No excuse for the “Youngest” and “Just”. I had written more and cut it down. Just a stupid and lazy mistake on my part.

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          • “I am sure she will meet the right man when she is ready.”

            Hmm, I’m pretty sure that your “god” commands you to “go forth and multiply”. I think he meant ASAP, not when you’re ready. Now if you don’t want to be a fucking hypocrite, you need to yank your daughter out of that school and arrange a marriage with a distant cousin or something (we know you freaks are into incest), slap an apron onto her, and have her new husband command her to lie down and spread her legs. You wouldn’t want to make your “god” angry now, would you?

            Of course, if you’re not willing to do those things, you can just admit that you’re a hypocrite and apologize for all the sexist, degrading things you’ve said about women who AREN’T your flesh and blood.

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          • Hey, I never said there was a timetable. God will match her with his plan for her when he is ready. Personally, I was hoping her and Adam would have hit it off better than they did, but it’s not my choice.

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          • “Personally, I was hoping her and Adam would have hit it off better than they did, but it’s not my choice.”

            Hmm, doesn’t your holy book say that women are the property of their fathers until they get married, and thus the fathers have the responsibility of finding a suitable husband?

            Oh, and have you forgotten this article that you wrote?

            http://christwire.org/2011/03/is-feminist-angst-rooted-in-the-fact-that-women-were-created-for-man’s-pleasure/

            Since your daughter is a woman, and thus was created for man’s pleasure, why are you sending her to school? Isn’t she just a thing?

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          • “Hmm, doesn’t your holy book say that women are the property of their fathers until they get married, and thus the fathers have the responsibility of finding a suitable husband?”

            I have raised her well, I still have veto power and I would use it if needed. But I don’t think I will have to.

            Thanks for linking that article. I am proud of that one.

            And Jan has no feminist angst.

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          • “I have raised her well, I still have veto power and I would use it if needed. But I don’t think I will have to.”

            So you’re going against what your holy book says?

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          • Nope I am abiding by the book.

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          • “Nope I am abiding by the book.”

            So if it turns out your daughter isn’t a virgin on her wedding night she’ll have to be stoned to death on your doorstep?

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          • I raised her to honor herself and not give into temptations. She is not weak like you.

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          • “I raised her to honor herself and not give into temptations. She is not weak like you.”

            So I apparently give into temptations? Sure, I may masturbate, but have I ever had sex? No. Have I ever tried drugs? No. Have I ever tried alcohol? No.

            By the way, judging from the pictures of her that you posted on here, she looks like a cock-hungry slut.

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          • Poor Claire, you come across as so bitter and jealous of normal people.

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          • There you go with the misogyny again, Claire. You really need a moral compass.

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          • “Poor Claire, you come across as so bitter and jealous of normal people.”

            Poor Dracula, couldn’t formulate a rebuttal so he had to resort to the jealousy card.

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          • “There you go with the misogyny again, Claire. You really need a moral compass.”

            Right, right, my bad. Never mind the fact that above Dracula claimed that women are second class citizens…

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          • That’s as may be, but it doesn’t help your position if you’re using misogynist language yourself.

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          • What was there to respond to, you making fun of my kids? Email me and I will happily pass your phone number to my daughter. She would happily call you and you two could chat about your opinions of her.

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          • “That’s as may be, but it doesn’t help your position if you’re using misogynist language yourself.”

            And it doesn’t help YOUR position if you’re ignoring the much worse misogynistic offenses made by your little buddies.

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          • “What was there to respond to, you making fun of my kids? Email me and I will happily pass your phone number to my daughter. She would happily call you and you two could chat about your opinions of her.”

            Well you could have simply stated “My daughter is not a slut”, or “My daughter may like cock, but at least she keeps it in the family”, or SOMETHING to attempt to defend her, but you apparently couldn’t think of anything (so I’m guessing I’m correct and she’s a whore).

            And why should you have a problem with somebody making fun of your daughter? Isn’t she a second class citizen whose only purpose is to please men? Those are your own words, fuckface!

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          • Are you scared to deal with her directly?

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          • Claire, how many times do I have to tell you that “tu quoque” is not a valid argument?

            And who are my “little buddies”? I haven’t yet made any real friends in the short time that I’ve been visiting this site (although I must say that about half of the regulars have been quite welcoming).

            I would like to be friends with you but you seem to despise me — even though all I do is try to help you be more consistent in your arguments.

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          • “Are you scared to deal with her directly?”

            Why would I be scared to deal with a whore over the telephone? I just don’t want to give you my number.

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          • Claire, “whore”? Really? You are doing your gender a huge disservice by carrying on in such a misogynistic manner.

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          • “I would like to be friends with you but you seem to despise me — even though all I do is try to help you be more consistent in your arguments.”

            You would like to be friends with me? Yeah, patronizing me isn’t going to work. You’re not trying to “help” anybody here, you’re just here to flaunt your “superior” knowledge. Little bitch.

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          • Claire, do you even understand how demeaning and undermining misogynist language is?

            You might want to take a look at this. http://finallyfeminism101.wordpress.com/2008/05/16/feminism-friday-on-bitch-and-other-misogynist-language/

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          • “Claire, do you even understand how demeaning and undermining misogynist language is?”

            Right, right, once again, my bad. I guess in your little pony world it’s fine to call women second class citizens and baby-machines but a major no-no to use the word “bitch”.

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          • Claire, If everyone on this website jumped off the Sydney Harbour Bridge, would you do it too?

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          • “Claire, If everyone on this website jumped off the Sydney Harbour Bridge, would you do it too?”

            Thank you for proving that you’re not here to “help” me at all, you’re only here to be arrogant and patronize me.

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          • If you stop using misogynist language I’ll stop criticising you for it. It’s that simple.

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          • “If you stop using misogynist language I’ll stop criticising you for it. It’s that simple.”

            Yet you see absolutely no reason to criticize August for calling women second class citizens. So no deal.

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          • Well, you and your gender will be the poorer for it.

            At least Anonymous Atheist saw my point and agreed to stop using misogynist insults.

            That’s integrity, even if he remains blisteringly naive about most other things.

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          • “That’s integrity, even if he remains blisteringly naive about most other things.”

            Once more with the arrogance. Let me guess, does your shit not smell also?

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          • No, as a matter of fact it often smells revolting.

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        • Billings, you have CLEARLY never met a woman for more than five minutes or over the internet. No wonder you’re a lonely bastard who has to get his jollies off of children.

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  • “Do married women have sovereignty over their womb? No.”

    Actually, the correct answer to this question is yes.

    “And if your wife is lippy and says that makes no sense, then give her the official word of God. If she doesn’t want to give you your say about what is yours, let her know hellfire is the place where mouthy wives go.”

    A woman who says no just because they don’t want sex, can say no. They are not going to hell for protecting the sancuary that is their body.

    “Then the word of the LORD came to me, saying: “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; before you were born I sanctified you; I ordained you a prophet to the nations. (Jeremiah 1:4-5).”

    This is what your “GOD” said to . . . . I cannot remember his name for the life of me, I remember that he was a child then though. He told your “GOD” that he was only a child.

    “What then shall I do when God rises up? When He punishes, how shall I answer Him? Did not He who made me in the womb make them? Did not the same One fashion us in the womb?” (Job 31:14-15)
    “See a trend here?”

    http://www.biblegateway.com/audio/mclean/niv/Job.31.14-Job.31.15
    Just listen to this. I cannot really explain what I’m hearing except that this is the passage and I think it’s sweet.

    “Nowhere in those verses does it say, “Women, murder your children if you feel like it.”

    The only women that I have ever heard of killing their own children are ones that now have the death sentence in prison. That’s actually very few. Fewer than men anyway

    See? The points made have nothing to do with your article. You have no proof that such you say is real. PROVE IT.

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    • “PROVE IT”

      THE BIBLE PROVES IT. The Truth was presented to you and your ilk several times in this article in the form of Scripture quotes. You atheists sure do a good job of complicating things, don’t you LOL?

      The thing is, you’re just presenting your opinion as truth when in fact the Bible, quite simply and elegantly, TELLS us the Truth if you’re just willing to listen. Because I strictly follow the Rules outlined in the Good Book my life has become extremely uncomplicated. Tonight I will pray for you in hopes that one day you will allow yourself to do the same.

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      • I have allowed myself to listen asshole. That passage doesn’t prove your point. That passage basically says that the man doesn’t want to bring judgement on other people simply because they are made from the same material as them. From the same person. That is was it says. Fuck you, you’re wrong.
        Go ahead and pray to a “GOD” that is NOT who you think he is.

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        • I realize it’s trendy for children today to support abortion, but do you realize how horrific it is? How painful to the woman? How doctors are literally snuffing the life out of living beings? When you’re older, you may see a film depicting the absolutely grotesque aspects of abortion and I assure you, you will never be the same . This is not something ANY woman should support if she has a conscience.

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          • “I realize it’s trendy for children today to support abortion”

            It’s not trendy at all. It’s just that this is no longer the 50s and women actually have rights.

            “but do you realize how horrific it is? How painful to the woman?”

            Do you realize how horrific and painful childbirth are? Why are you even attempting to tell us these things anyway? You’re a MALE, not a female.

            “How doctors are literally snuffing the life out of living beings?”

            Yes, with the woman’s consent.

            “When you’re older, you may see a film depicting the absolutely grotesque aspects of abortion and I assure you, you will never be the same .”

            I’ve seen films such as those and have remained pro-choice. Shows how much you know about the workings of other human beings’ minds.

            “This is not something ANY woman should support if she has a conscience.”

            Who are you to say what women should or shouldn’t support? Are you a woman?

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          • Oh goodness Claire. You really are full of crap tonight. Sorry but there’s no other way for me to put it. You say you celebrate abortion one moment and then the next you’re criticizing others for denouncing rape. Are you mentally all there tonight? You seem unhinged, hysterical an on a rampage.

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          • “Oh goodness Claire. You really are full of crap tonight. Sorry but there’s no other way for me to put it.”

            Oh yes, because I’m just SOOO upset that you said that I was “full of crap”. Boo hoo.

            “You say you celebrate abortion one moment and then the next you’re criticizing others for denouncing rape.”

            Who said I was criticizing you for denouncing rape? I was simply calling you a liar, because anybody with your mentality regarding women would not be opposed to rape.

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  • “Pardon my French, but as long as a woman’s lazy butt is going to limit me to one female, eat my food, spend my money and effect my day, I got some ownership if my seed ends up in her.”

    So typical of conservative men to bitch and moan about the circumstances that they put themselves into. Perhaps you wouldn’t have to have a shit fit about “a woman’s lazy butt”, who “spends your money”, “eats your food”, and “effects your day” if you didn’t beat her every time she even mentioned getting a job and helping to provide income.

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    • A man’s seed is part of him, it is HIS responsibility to see it to fruition in the loins of a woman.

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      • “A man’s seed is part of him, it is HIS responsibility to see it to fruition in the loins of a woman.”

        And a woman’s womb is part of her, it is HER responsibility to choose whether the man’s seed is allowed to fertilize her egg, or whether to allow it to enter her at all. Or have you forgotten the tiny little fact that it’s the woman who bears 100% of the brunt of childbearing?

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        • So by your logic, the man shouldn’t be responsible for paying child support or taking part in any way in a child’s upbringing? If you say woman are 100% responsible, you’re also supporting the rights of deadbeat dads everywhere…. The reckless fallacy of your argument is exactly why Christians support the traditional family IN ALL ITS PARTS! ANd this includes a mother and a father.

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          • “So by your logic, the man shouldn’t be responsible for paying child support or taking part in any way in a child’s upbringing? If you say woman are 100% responsible, you’re also supporting the rights of deadbeat dads everywhere…. The reckless fallacy of your argument is exactly why Christians support the traditional family IN ALL ITS PARTS! ANd this includes a mother and a father.”

            I’m not saying that at all. What I’m saying is that as long as the child is inside the womb (you know, the part of the WOMAN’S BODY?) it’s ultimately her call.

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          • Just because something living is inside her, doesn’t mean she can kill it. Do you support late term abortions too?
            Does Alaska Airlines get to kill their passengers in flight? It’s their airplane!

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          • “Just because something living is inside her, doesn’t mean she can kill it. Do you support late term abortions too?”

            Actually it does mean she can kill it. Or are you not familiar with laws? As for late term abortions, I’m undecided.

            ” Does Alaska Airlines get to kill their passengers in flight? It’s their airplane!”

            Talk about grasping for straws.

            1. An airplane is not a living entity.
            2. The passengers are sentient beings who paid a fee to be able to fly aboard it.

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          • Claire, you don’t seem to know the first thing about making babies. Heck, you probably learned all you know from watching cats (and no, women don’t have litters and you can’t give your babies away left and right).

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          • Why be undecided? What about killing a three week old or a 1 year old? It is not as if they are viable still. They would die unattended. Abortion is the murder of a living human being.

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          • “Claire, you don’t seem to know the first thing about making babies.”

            Care to explain your reasoning behind that?

            “Heck, you probably learned all you know from watching cats (and no, women don’t have litters and you can’t give your babies away left and right).”

            Actually I learned from sex-ed in middle school, biology and anatomy classes in high school, my certified nursing assistant training in high school, and mammalian anatomy and physiology in college. I’m pretty certain I’ve had more formal education in reproduction than you have, douchebag. I’ve also been going to a gynecologist since I was 13 due to polycystic ovarian syndrome and endometriosis.

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          • “Why be undecided? What about killing a three week old or a 1 year old? It is not as if they are viable still. They would die unattended. Abortion is the murder of a living human being.”

            Once the baby has naturally emerged from the mother’s body with the intention of giving it life, it can no longer be killed, namely because the mother intends for it to live. A three-week-old full-term baby is viable outside of the womb; it would not die immediately if left unattended.

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          • If going to a gynecologist a long time makes you an expert, then I guess sister Susan knows way more than you.

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          • “If going to a gynecologist a long time makes you an expert, then I guess sister Susan knows way more than you.”

            Way to completely ignore the other parts of my knowledge of the reproductive system, dickhead. I certainly know what I’m talking about, unlike what Billings is trying to claim. As a matter of fact, when I was 15 and was being evaluated for endometriosis my gynecologist (who happens to be the head of gynecology at Children’s Hospital Boston) told me that I understood much more about the disease than many 20-somethings, and even printed off a paper that he wrote on the subject.

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          • When I umpire at the Special Olympics, people tell them they are the best all the time.

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          • “When I umpire at the Special Olympics, people tell them they are the best all the time.”

            No shit, Sherlock. But my doctor knew that he was dealing with a person who is NOT mentally handicapped.

            P.S. How are those grammar books working out for you?

            P.P.S. I don’t believe for one second that you umpire at the Special Olympics, and even if you do, we all know that you’re not doing it because you have a soft spot in your heart for mentally/physically disabled people; you just want to get into heaven.

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          • Seriously, Claire. TMI.

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          • Billings, I’m still awaiting your evidence that I don’t know the first thing about making babies.

            Tick tock, tick tock.

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          • You come across as extremely mentally handicapped. I am a member of our local American Legion baseball program. I have coached 9 teams and I have umpired local Special Olympics games. I do not like to, but only because it is very hard and I don’t like to umpire.

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          • “You come across as extremely mentally handicapped.”

            Evidence please.

            “I am a member of our local American Legion baseball program. I have coached 9 teams and I have umpired local Special Olympics games. I do not like to, but only because it is very hard and I don’t like to umpire.”

            No, you don’t like to because you actually hate special people and only care about getting your ass in god’s good graces. Selfish prick.

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          • Evidence that you come across as mentally handicapped? Would you like me to create an online poll here? Maybe one on Facebook? You could create one here too, oh wait, you can’t, you are just a visitor.

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          • “Evidence that you come across as mentally handicapped? Would you like me to create an online poll here? Maybe one on Facebook? You could create one here too, oh wait, you can’t, you are just a visitor.”

            No, I’d like you to tell me right here right now.

            I’ve still been here three years longer than you, fuckhead.

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          • “No, I’d like you to tell me right here right now.”

            Ok, yes….yes you do.

            And last year you said 2 years longer. Are you gaining time?

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          • “Ok, yes….yes you do.”

            Thanks for admitting that you have no evidence.

            “And last year you said 2 years longer. Are you gaining time?”

            Perhaps because last year was last year and not this year, genius.

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          • Ok…. so last year, you were here 2 years longer than me. And this year you have been here three years longer than me.

            That is my defense to your mental handicap.

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          • “That is my defense to your mental handicap.”

            You ever heard of rounding up or rounding down numbers?

            So you only have one thing so far? I have three against you.

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          • Maybe we need that poll?

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      • So what do you say of rapists then, Billings?

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        • Any man who views women as property has no qualms against raping a woman in order to impregnate her. If they try to deny it, they’re lying. If a man believes that women are only on earth to be impregnated, then why would they care if there is consent or not? It’s the end result that matters, right?

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        • Naturally I am opposed to rape in every possible way, but I also realize that men are blamed far too often for crimes that have not committed. It’s very easy for a hysterical woman to blame a man and get him jailed, just because she was dumped or her love wasn’t returned. I read stories about ladies doing this to men every single day.

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          • How can you be opposed to rape if you consider it a man’s right to see to it that his sperm gets fertilized? By saying that, you’re implying that it’s not a woman’s right to see to it that her egg remains protected.

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          • Please don’t try to out-logic me, you ningcompop.

            Do you really think Christians support rape? You are totally full of hate if you really believe that.

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          • Not all Christians, just those of you who think that the man has a greater right to ensure his sperm meets an egg than a woman has the right to protect herself from pregnancy. Besides, according to you, women only serve two purposes: cooking and making babies, so why would it matter if the woman was physically and/or psychologically harmed in the process of doing the latter? Aren’t women basically just “things” to you?

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          • Bruce Myron Danus Bruce Myron Danus

            You forget cleaning and doing the grocery shopping, Claire.

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  • FredtheFailLord FredtheFailLord

    There should be consideration and debate, but the final say is yes. It’s not like the man can’t get her pregnant again.

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    • And while we’re busy “debating” this issue, how many more innocent zygotes will be scraped or vacuumed from the womb? I’ll see your “yes” vote with a righteous “no”, thank you very little.

      “It’s not like the man can’t get her pregnant again.”

      So it begs the question, good sir, if an innocent fetus is never born for the FIRST time, then how will it escape eternal Hellfire by being born AGAIN for the second time? Sorry, FredtheFailL-rd, I WON’T have all of those damned children on by conscience!

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  • Christian Intellectual

    No, the wife belongs to her husband because that is the will of God.

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  • for the most part honestly i can agree abortion is crap if the kid is created by 2 people who love eachother.. BUT! think of it like this… what if the poor women was raped… if she keeps it…all she’ll ever see in that child is the man who sexually assaulted her..and then there are the women (like myself) who are extremely afraid of child birth…which is why i think if they’re to stupid to use a condom or the BC pill they deserve to get prego.

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  • These evil women just like having abortions because it makes them feel like they have power over life.

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  • Plenty of women oppose abortion too. The people who support it are mainly just irresponsible and selfish.

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  • “No, the people who support it care about women’s rights.”

    Well perhaps you’d like to explain why the vast majority of abortions carried out are on female fetuses then?

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  • hey its crystal here, look all women have a right about what goes or doesnt go in them. guys cant control anything about that. thats called rape if its forced. i swear you people are all idiots. you’re racist, jugmental, sexist, and a lot of other crap. i mean cmon. god said to not judge others didnt he?? well look at what the heck you’re doing!! yes we all sin but your making others seem like what they’re doing is worse when in all reality, you’re the ones who are the major sinners!! so get over your freaking selvs and get a life thats not this stupid website that has a bunch of pointless and fake crap on it. bye.

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  • Moving the goalposts won’t change anything. In America, abortions are also carried out because selfish people want to choose the gender of their child, and also for vanity and because of carelessness. Using outdated terminology to refer to countries you know nothing about just shows how ignorant and self-centered you really are.

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