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Should churches begin excommunicating infertile couples to win the marriage equality debate? Some see the action as necessary.
“I would rather be gay than childless” one young woman confessed during the Barren Believers couples retreat meeting. A shocking observation by any standard, it reflects the deeply personal pain facing Christians dealing with unfruitfulness or homosexuality. The subject is deserving of compassion.
Caught between what ‘can’ be done with the aid of science and what ‘should’ be done, many loving couples are left feeling perplexed and abandoned by their church. There’s a scriptural basis for this.
The Primary Goal of Marriage Equality – Makin’ Babies
The definitive phrase “marriage between one man and one woman” is a powerful one. Natural procreation requires one man and one woman to make a baby. Even bumper stickers say so.
"I am Maggie" I learn at an early age that playing with dolls is appropriate for little girls, but not for boys. Momma says the more babies I have the more my husband will love me.
God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground.” – Genesis 1:28
The scriptures, beginning with Genesis, reveal an evolution in the concept of marriage. The Genesis 1:28 command is a baseline. Within the marriage equality and barren marriage debates much of the contentious banter orbits around the Genesis 1:28 central policy. Separation of sexual acts from procreation is a direct violation of God’s order. It’s a sin. Both infertility and homosexuality separate sexual acts from procreation. While this quality makes gays and the barren equal in terms of Gen 1:28, it doesn’t mean automatic entitlement to marriage equality. There are other similarities to consider.
The Causes of Infertility and Homosexuality are Both Steeped in Sin
Infertility and homosexuality are not genetic. By definition, the trait of homosexuality or baby impoverishment cannot be passed on from generation to generation by reproductive means. For many Christians it is difficult to accept both fruity gayness and fruitlessness both as sins against God’s first command.
Sterile couples look normal, not at all like homosexuals. How could they be the same in sin? Through divinely inspired cognitive dissonance, the well sanded evangelical mind reconciles this seemingly confusing state of perplexes with clear reason. Babies are not born homosexual or infertile. Babies develop these conditions based on environmental, societal and demonic means.
Clearly, both homosexuality and baby poverty are the result of sin.
Infertility has many causes. Some – but certainly not all – are the result of sin. High on the list are sexually-transmitted infections (STIs), which are often the result of immorality.
Abortion, especially when repeated, is a leading cause of infection and scarring in the uterus that make later conception and implantation difficult or impossible. Studies show that STIs are aggravated by oral contraceptives, intrauterine devices, and elective abortion. Both abortion and PID cause ectopic (tubal) pregnancies which lead to infertility in many women. The number of ectopic pregnancies has sky-rocketed in recent years.
It’s ironic that one result of the “sexual revolution” is a rise in infertility. Other causes of infertility include pollution, alcoholism, drug abuse, marijuana use, and smoking. For the sake of the health and happiness of our young people, they need to be warned about the possible consequences of these behaviors to their future fertility. – Baptists for Life, Fertility Assistance Web Page
Walk this Way, All Non-Breeders
The evangelical warning against un-breeders compared to gay marriage equality has been similar, but culturally distinct. Both the perpetually childless and LGBT homosexuals are given similar advice to “pray away” their condition. While some proclaim effectiveness, it has failed to gain sustainable popularity.
Good examples for both ending infertility and homosexuality come wrapped in didactic patterns for male and female behaviors. “I am Maggie”, a graphic rendering of a woman’s role as wife and mother, is one such strong example from the Family Research Council.
The Family Research Counciloffers good advice for couples in Maggie and Hanks predicament. Focus on the Family, another group lead by the sage Dr. James Dobson, encourages women to accept their empty family with self-reflection and thoughtful review of the consequences of past sin by gently nudging the infertile bride and groom into feelings of worthlessness and malaise with regards to marriage. Marriage equality does not apply to infertile couples anymore than it applies to same sex couples.
Helpful Christian friends will help infertile couples by telling them to watch the movie "Facing the Giants" SPOILER - The coach's wife has a baby at the end!
“How Could He Still Love Me?” reflects the female voice of contrition by filling her empty, childless womb with shining jewels of doubt and self disgust. For men, the “Am I Less of a Man?” essay serves to place the infertile groom well below breeding counterparts in the faith hierarchy.
Both essays offered by Focus on the Family may seem harsh, but reflect faithful adherence to Genesis 1:28. This is consistent with church doctrine in that LGBT people are condemned as a less worthy. While perhaps the gays are not judged as gently as the infertile, both are validated as condemnable on the same scriptural basis. This leaves couples wanting a family in the dark. For some it means erring once again by turning to science.
Science is not a Continuation of Scripture
For those desiring parenthood, both LGBT and fallow ground couples, options are limited. In vitro fertilization or surrogates are a no-no for everyone, since they bring third parties into a marriage that may usurp the church’s third party authority over the union.
It is a displeasing condition when something works to a desired end (parenthood) and God’s response to prayer is a firm ‘NO’. No means no. God’s “NO” is in a capital letters. Science is like sass talking God.
The Bible remains God’s final word. There is no sequel, with the exception of knee-mail replies. Science, carbon dating, meteorology, evolution and more specifically the field of genetics and reproductive science are not divinely inspired.
Due to social networking and a devil soaked internet, far too many people believe they can find “community” and hope within science to correct their sin outside of church. The Bible doesn’t mention the internet or social networks. Clearly both LGBT gays and the infertileare called to remain alone in their pain.
Because of Eve's trailer park mentality and sinful nature, the first family would be labeled "dysfunctional" by today's standards. (Pictured: Eve, Adam, Cain and Able - the early years.)
Adoption is for ‘Real’ Families
Defining marriage as one man and one woman is predicated on the first directional command (Gen 1:28) given to Adam and Eve. It seems pretty evident, with nearly 7 billion people today, this command was enthusiastically understood.
What is maybe less known is because of Eve’s sinful nature the union lead to the formation of the first dysfunctional family. Comprehending this doesn’t require a great deal of cognitive lifting. Most will agree that when kids exhibit a sibling rivalry that ends in murder, the label of “dysfunctional family” doesn’t require extra debate glue to stick. This concerns many Christian leaders.
While some gay and infertile couples can pass adoption screenings, certainly not all can. Christians tend to want laws banning homosexuals and unfit un-breeders from adopting post born and pre-born children. Some find using the strength of the free market is best, by offering pre-borns on Craigslist.
Can Too Much Compassion for Infertile Couples Open the Door for Marriage Equality?
While some churches have threatened excommunication for infertile couples and even fired employees for seeking fertility treatments, many others attempt to understand why infertile heterosexuals are disappointed in the church’s teaching and allow non-breeders to remain in the church. This is dangerous.
The LGBT community seems almost tentative when it comes to pointing out the inconsistency of treatment for infertile couples as a crack in the marriage equality debate. Perhaps this is due to the deep kinship that sinners seem to share. More likely they understand the internal damage an infertile couple can cause.
When disappointment begins to gel, these non-breeders may question doctrine, refuse to watch the children in the nursery so breeders can enjoy a moment’s peace in Sunday service, or even shun or avoid calls for last minute babysitting.
Should Churches begin denying marriage equality to infertile couples? For some this would be like throwing the baby out with the bath water. For others, it’s about winning the marriage equality debate against homosexuality at any cost.
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“The definitive phrase “marriage between one man and one woman” is a powerful one.”
No, the phrase shows how homophobic and stupid the person using it is.
“Should Churches begin denying marriage equality to infertile couples?”
Uh, no, the fertility of a couple is absolutely no one’s business but that couples.
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You are such a stupid little snit, LN.
This article is about the conundrum facing churches and the deeply painful position the debate places on un-parents.
The Man+Woman=Marriage equation is a predicated on Genesis 1:28. Your response completely ignores the contextual basis for the statement.
The problem facing Christian pastors is this:
If non-breeding couples are allowed to remain married in the church, the main point used to negate the marriage equality debate (breeding) becomes moot and the gays win.
If infertile couples are excommunicated then Christians get mad, leave the church and the gays win.
Your response of “Uh, no” may be expected from a simpleton, but really we need prayerful consideration here.
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“This article is about the conundrum facing churches and the deeply painful position the debate places on un-parents.”
You’re also saying that it’s bad that couples can’t produce children and that they shouldn’t be together.
“The Man+Woman=Marriage equation is a predicated on Genesis 1:28. Your response completely ignores the contextual basis for the statement.”
Because it’s an ancient concept and quite outdated, especially since even among heterosexual marriages for quite some time, it wasn’t even a concept of love. Men basically bought women like cattle. Hell, it wasn’t a crime or a sin to rape a woman, you just had to pay a small fine and you were forced to marry the woman you raped back then. Then it became more of a matter of business, where marrying someone meant you had a share in whatever possessions or land they owned so that they kicked the bucket, you’d get some of it. The idea that people marry purely out of love is a rather new concept when you look at how long people have existed.
“The problem facing Christian pastors is this:
If non-breeding couples are allowed to remain married in the church, the main point used to negate the marriage equality debate (breeding) becomes moot and the gays win.”
Before your entire points were ‘man and woman were made to have sex with one another, end of story’, and there’s the entire loophole of surrogate parents in the first damn place. If need be, a lesbian could be inseminated by a man or a gay man could impregnate a woman. That’s a loophole that infertile couples might not have, depending on the couple themselves. You don’t need to be married to make children.
“If infertile couples are excommunicated then Christians get mad, leave the church and the gays win.”
Gee, I wonder why. Probably because you’re being hypocritical assholes who can’t accept the fact that some people are attracted to the same gender, and every time you try to back up your homophobic reasonings, you show how stupid you all are.
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You didn’t even read the article, monkey brain.
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I did, care to point out what you disagree with?
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LN,
“You’re also saying that it’s bad that couples can’t produce children and that they shouldn’t be together.”
I bring linked information that illustrates the sources of infertility and how both sterility and homosexuality are treated similarly within the church. I pose the question whether these couples should be together.
“Because it’s an ancient concept and quite outdated, especially since even among heterosexual marriages for quite some time, … The idea that people marry purely out of love is a rather new concept when you look at how long people have existed.”
The long winded response you squeeze out here seems to contradict itself. Which is it, LN? Marriage, defined by procreation or love, that is the center of the marriage equality debate? Please note, I am reporting what is at the center of the debate – not pandering to an opinion.
I think the biggest issue I see with many of your responses to articles and forum debate is the fact you place yourself and the author or other commenter at the center rather than making the issue the centerpiece. It is a sophomoric and feckless strategy at best.
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“I bring linked information that illustrates the sources of infertility and how both sterility and homosexuality are treated similarly within the church. I pose the question whether these couples should be together.”
And the answer is yes. The excuse you’re using is ‘because they can’t make children, they shouldn’t be married’, when the previous excuse was either ‘the bible says it’s wrong’ or ‘marriage is between a man and a woman’. You don’t need to be married to have children. You could be dating or it could be a one-night stand. Hell, what about fertile couples that DON’T want to have children? Are you going to revoke their marriage license or whatever it’s called because they aren’t making children?
“The long winded response you squeeze out here seems to contradict itself. Which is it, LN? Marriage, defined by procreation or love, that is the center of the marriage equality debate?”
Marriage should be about people who love each other. YOU believe it should be defined by either a man and a woman or procreation, whichever one happens to suit your current situation. And you call me contradictory.
“I think the biggest issue I see with many of your responses to articles and forum debate is the fact you place yourself and the author or other commenter at the center rather than making the issue the centerpiece.”
Gee, when so many of your guys’ ‘articles’ are ‘I hate gay people’ or ‘I hate black people’ proceeded by ‘and here is why’, it’s not that difficult to see why I single you out. You also seem to ignore quite a few of my responses that actually DO pick apart the flaws and stupidity of your ‘articles’.
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Where does “I” appear in the article, Bub?
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Let’s see, there’s an ‘I’ in the title a grand total of four times, there’s around 20 instances of ‘I’ in the bolded sentences alone, and quite frankly, I don’t feel like counting the rest of it.
Oh, but of course any logical person would think that you meant something else. However, you worded your response so poorly, that it was more fun to show off how stupid you are. Again.
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Perhaps we have different definitions for ‘showing off’.
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Good work BB, you put him in his place. Always nice when the naysayers show how ignorant they really are.
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How did she ‘put me in my place’? She’s a complete and total idiot.
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Too long, besides whats the point of reading your tedious rants? Its not like you have accomplished anything during your tenure here. Get a job, live proper L.N, people look at you and what your doing and they laugh,it hurts me to tell you but they laugh at you!
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You sure they aren’t laughing at you, dip-shit?
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This must be your 50000 comment on this site, how does that make you feel? But then again wheelchair bound and mentally deficient as you are one takes pleasure in the smallest achievements.
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LOL!
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Are the only things Christians are capable of doing are mudslinging and name-callign?
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Pretty much L.N. Pretty much
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Omitted for Ignorance. – El Modo
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Hey Mod-Man, why block Agnostic’s comment?
(btw, TheAgnosticOne, I’m speaking to the mod here because I seem to channel him like some sort of spirit medium)
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You people are sick. Your all bloody sick in the head. I couldn’t figure out if I should laugh or cry reading this, it honestly seems like something someone would write as a joke. I am so thankful I don’t live in America although it makes me incredibly sad that people actually believe this type of thing. I thought Christianity was about loving and caring for others. All I see here is hate. Unfortunately it is most likely that it is to late to convince you how absolutely brain washed you are. You are hateful towards people that have no choice…. there is a massive list of why people become infertile but sometimes things just happen, people are born with different disorders etc. I advise you to watch The Atheist Experience and learn something about real life. You see me as evil I bet but I am a good person, caring and kind and accepting of others (including Christians) but when I see things like this it just blows my mind that you think I’m evil and going to hell. Not that I believe that crap anyway. I suggest that you speak to a psychiatrist very soon!
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Well…I didn’t really have any reason to think too horribly about you Blanche…Before this article…Are you really this cruel?
“Marriage equality does not apply to infertile couples anymore than it applies to same sex couples.”
BS…So you deny a loving couple marriage equality…Just because they can’t have a kid? Just because you get married dosen’t mean you need to start having babies…I may not be married yet, but my girlfriend and I have talked about kid’s and we’re still not even sure if we want any
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Ouroboros,
You’ve caught the LN disease I’m afraid. Stand up and wave your arms to ward off his evil charms and get the intelligence flowing again.
For the single statement you choose to question, is this a thesis of opinion or the underlying message conveyed by Family Research Council?
I really thought you were brighter than this, O.
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“Stand up and wave your arms to ward off his evil charms and get the intelligence flowing again.”
Huh, well…all that did was give me a small boost of energy and make me look silly at work…
“For the single statement you choose to question, is this a thesis of opinion or the underlying message conveyed by Family Research Council?”
Not sure if it’s because I’m really tired…But I haven’t a clue what you’re saying here…
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“Not sure if it’s because I’m really tired…But I haven’t a clue what you’re saying here…”
I’m fairly certain even she doesn’t know what she’s talking about. Probably some way of distracting from the truth, that she’s a horrible person by claiming that infertile couples shouldn’t be married and ends up using contradictory logic towards homosexual couples.
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Fact LN – Aside from mud slinging, you bring nothing to the discussion.
Fact – Infertile couples are already maligned by both evangelicals and non-Protestants.
Fact – A Church in the US has already fired an employee for seeking fertility treatments.
Fact – While in differing degrees and areas, infertility treatments are not ‘approved’ by churches.
Fact – your opinion means squat little.
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“Fact LN – Aside from mud slinging, you bring nothing to the discussion.”
There’s not even a discussion to be had.
“Fact – Infertile couples are already maligned by both evangelicals and non-Protestants.”
Yet the concept of marriage is one that proves how hypocritical they are and how you are.
“Fact – A Church in the US has already fired an employee for seeking fertility treatments.”
Which is against the law, and there isn’t a single organization that should be above it.
“Fact – While in differing degrees and areas, infertility treatments are not ‘approved’ by churches.”
A lot of things aren’t approved by churches, and what gets really funny is how hypocritical they are.
“Fact – your opinion means squat little.”
So does yours and the bible’s for that matter, pipsqueak.
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“Which is against the law, and there isn’t a single organization that should be above it.”
“Should”? You live in a dream. Most employers require employees to sign mandatory arbitration agreements, which means issues are judged by leaders the employer hires. Further protection for the Church in right to work states allows for firings based on any reason, including moral disagreements. Oh, this is very legal, little friend. The court option was signed away with a mandatory arbitration agreement. Your naivete is lovely.
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““Should”? You live in a dream.”
No, I just know for a fact that groups that SHOULDN’T be doing certain things are more than happy to do them.
“Most employers require employees to sign mandatory arbitration agreements, which means issues are judged by leaders the employer hires.”
Doesn’t mean they can discriminate against their employees. You can’t hire or fire or do anything else to an employee when it’s PURELY based on gender, sexuality, ethnicity, religion, etc, and even CHURCHES are, surprisingly to a degree, under this law.
“Further protection for the Church in right to work states allows for firings based on any reason, including moral disagreements.”
Actually, that isn’t true. A job is a job, and as such, are bound to laws set forth by the government.
“Oh, this is very legal, little friend. The court option was signed away with a mandatory arbitration agreement. Your naivete is lovely.”
There’s always a higher or different court until you hit the Supreme Court. If this gets out of hand, then you can bet your ass you’re going to hear the Supreme Court step in.
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Some of what you’ve said may have been true 10 years ago, nut not today. You need to look around.
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You’re telling ME to look around while YOU use a 2000 year old book to dictate how you live your life (and you don’t even bother following all of it’s instructions in the first place)?! The hypocrisy is astounding.
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Not from scripture, little nub, in state laws/statutes enacted to promote job creators.
Stop being such a religious hate monger.
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this is even worse than denying gays, you can’t even attempt to prove they “chose” to be infertile.
I had no idea “love thy neighbor” meant “only if he’s a purebred”
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Love thy neighbor…as long as they are white christians…
Seems like the sort of logic Chrsitwire would use…
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Basically. Even then, if that white Christian actually has respect towards people of other faiths or sexualities or anything like that, they call them traitors.
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According to christwire no one will be going to heaven! We shall all burn.
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^Except for themselves. They think they’re better than Jesus if they’re able to just pick and choose whatever rules and laws of their God that they follow.
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i like you L.N. i mean i have always looked up to you. You are like a shimmer of hope in this fucked up site. The last bit of hope for these idiots.
Well done L.N.
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Stop with the religious hate speech, LN. I hear that CW has a new moderator.
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and i heard that this site was real! looks like we both heard wrong!
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Blanche, kiss my face. I hate other religions and my own tired existence. I rape what you saw. I show others hate, others are going to show me love several times over.
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I request LN be moderated to be less hateful.
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Then how about I stop using ignorance as an excuse?
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Aww, cmon Christwire, where’s the fun? I thought this was all fun and games, but now you have to resort to comment alteration to get laughs. Where’s the originality?
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sweet! maybe I can battle Satan. put em up, Big guy! we’ll fight like men!
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I think it would be up to the couple to prove that infertility was due to ‘natural’ and not sinful means.
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You consider anything a sin, and again, the fertility of a couple is no one else’s business.
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If reproduction cannot happen naturally, it should not happen.
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How about we take that idea…And toss it in the trash can
If a couple can’t have a child due to complications, then let them use another way…I can see nothing wrong with it
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You do realize how stupid that sounds, right?
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Many believe that using science to make babies is like sass talking the scriptures.
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why aren’t you in the kitchen? or on your knees? Get back to the kitchen and make me a goddamn sandwich and keep that mouth shut! Bitches look prettier when they’re quiet!
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why aren’t you in the kitchen? or on your knees? Get back to the kitchen and make me a goddamn sandwich and keep that mouth shut! Bitches look prettier when they’re quiet!
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I see the solution as quite simple. Do not excommunicate the couples being punished with infertility, merely look to the same book from which the problem arose. When the sins of Sarah had angered God and he made her infertile, he allowed Abraham to lay with Hagar so he could fulfill his duty as a good God-fearing man (he would be obviously Christian if he had not been born centuries before Jesus had fulfilled the Christ prophecy). God is mysterious though, and allowed Sarah and Abraham to re-marry after he decided she had repented enough and thus we were given Issac, who’s lineage eventually brought us to the Christ.
Thus, shouldn’t we just absolve these infertile marriages until the wife has undergone significant repentance and training on the ways of Christian motherhood? That way we protect the true sanctity of marriage while giving these women a chance to not be complete failures to their gender and the human race.
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Religion has disproved science time and time again. Science has nothing to do with reproduction and science should stay out of it. Conception is a natural and holy thing. It heeds to remain natural and holy.
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Science has proved religion time and time again. It documents how the process of birth works, it allows us to cure disease, and it has increased our overall intelligence several times over.
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I may still believe that a higher power exists, but I still value science over faith any day. Science moves us forward, faith holds us back
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Name one time Faith has disproved Science August.
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Yesterday during the “eclipse”.
And when the LHC failed.
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Nothing wrong was going to happen during the eclipse in the first place, and the LHC wasn’t going to destroy the world either.
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The eclipse was natural and posed absolutely no threat…You were scared of the sun…
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“You were scared of the sun…”
The sun did not cause the eclipse. Gaysians did.
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Solar Eclipse: Astronomy .
a.
the obscuration of the light of the moon by the intervention of the earth between it and the sun (lunar eclipse) or the obscuration of the light of the sun by the intervention of the moon between it and a point on the earth (solar eclipse).
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a similar phenomenon with respect to any other planet and either its satellite or the sun.
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the partial or complete interception of the light of one component of a binary star by the other.
Yes. This is TOTALLY cause by these “Gaysians” you speak of. Once again, why would God create these “Gaysians” if they would cause a natural phenomenon that only harms you if you look at it without any protection to your eyes with sun glasses and such?
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More copy pasta Fanny. August, this one should be moderated for plagiat.
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What did you mean by “plagiat” Antoine? Plagiat isn’t a word, so I am having trouble figuring out what you were attempting to write. This is also a dictionary excerpt. It isn’t plagiarism if it belongs to everyone.
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I value skill over science. actually it’s a close race for all three. can’t improve talent without knowledge, but having faith is pretty damned useful. if you believe in something hard enough, it will happen.
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Porn is natural and holy
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thats really fucked up just saying, my mom had 2 miscarriages and was told she couldnt have kids, yet here I am, should my parents have split up just because having a baby seemed hopeless?
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You are a miracle. A triumph of faith over science! Glory!!!
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You’re completely missing the issue, you stupid bastard.
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Praise be August!
As for LN she will burn in the deepest pits of hell.
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Prayer really does work! Maddy we appreciate your witnessing.
If more people would just provide testimonials to the power of prayer rather than rely on scientific methods, church leaders could treat infertiles like pre-parents rather than probable homosexuals.
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You people are missing my point… Im saying by your logic I would have never been here because you think that when the doctor said “you cant have children” that my parents should have split up…
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First there, little missy, using the phrase “you people” is pretty divisive. No need to play the “us” and “them” cards.
Second, no one is saying they should split, I’m sure once becoming pregnant with you they could be married.
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“First there, little missy, using the phrase “you people” is pretty divisive. No need to play the “us” and “them” cards.”
You keep showing your stupidity, you should stop that.
“Second, no one is saying they should split, I’m sure once becoming pregnant with you they could be married.”
Except then it would be a sin to have a child out of wedlock, so you’re damning them either way. You consider the moment of conception that the fetus is a person, ergo, you call it born, just stuck in the womb. You really need to think about what you say before you say it.
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They were already married before deciding to have children…
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“Except then it would be a sin to have a child out of wedlock”
Making things up again…..
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It really isn’t fully recognized as a marriage until there are children, darling.
Infertility is a basis for an annulment, because it constitutes a fraud.
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“It really isn’t fully recognized as a marriage until there are children, darling.”
Which is bullshit.
“Infertility is a basis for an annulment, because it constitutes a fraud.”
The creation of a child or marriage is no longer considered business, dumbass.
“Making things up again…..”
How do you make a child normally, August? Through sex. What happens when two unmarried people have sex? They’ve committed a sin.
You might wanna read your bible, ‘Christian’, before you try to tell me what I’m making up.
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Marriage is when two people love each other and make it official, kids or no kids.
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Yeah Maddy. Yeah avenged sevenfold
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Ha YES! You got the A7X reference lol my favorite band
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Remember: Seize the day, or die regretting the time you’ve lost it’s empty in and cold. Without you here. With to many people to ache over.
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Your an idiot. My mom was Christian and infertile and praying did jackshit for her. Asking “god” to have babies didn’t work so she looked to science and now both my sister and I are the results of invetro.
So allow me to correct you August:
Faith: 0 Science: 1
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Can you prove it wasn’t faith that made the so called ‘science’ work?
Many of those places are fly by night, back alley affairs, with turkey basters and such. Anyone can hang out a shingle and say they are a fertility specialist.
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“Can you prove it wasn’t faith that made the so called ‘science’ work?”
I’m fairly certain the part where Epsilon said that praying didn’t work proves that it wasn’t faith.
“Many of those places are fly by night, back alley affairs, with turkey basters and such. Anyone can hang out a shingle and say they are a fertility specialist.”
Any jackass can hold up a bible and call themselves a Christian, moot point.
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God did that not science. Glory!
Faith 3 Science 0
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“Can you prove it wasn’t faith that made the so called ‘science’ work?”
Yes after I was born my mom turned atheist. Soon after my sister was born after a second round of invetro.No faith there.
“Many of those places are fly by night, back alley affairs, with turkey basters and such. Anyone can hang out a shingle and say they are a fertility specialist”
Uh, no she went to an actual clinic and it worked twice.
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“God did that not science. Glory!
Faith 3 Science 0″
You missed the part where praying did nothing and science was the cause of pregnancy.
Failure.
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“Prayer really does work! Maddy we appreciate your witnessing. ”
Your also completely disregarding what Maddy said.
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LN,
Please use better grammar.
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You don’t want to try to use grammar as an excuse to disregard what I said. Care to actually try to prove me wrong? The fact is your basically claiming that Maddy’s parents should have been separated once the doctor told them that they can’t have kids, and yet, lo and behold, they ended up producing a child.
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“Your also completely disregarding what Maddy said.”
“Your” should be “You’re” or “You are” in this sentence.
Yes, LN, everyone agrees Maddy is a miracle.
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“The fact is you’re basically claiming that Maddy’s parents should have been separated once the doctor told them that they can’t have kids,”
No, we are saying they should not rely on the doctor. Doctors are a scam.
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““Your” should be “You’re” or “You are” in this sentence.”
I made a typo. I’ll admit that I made a typo, but you’ll never bring up when someone from Cultwire’s ‘writers’ makes a typo or grammatical mistake.
“Yes, LN, everyone agrees Maddy is a miracle.”
Not the point, you think that her parents should’ve split up the moment they found out that they couldn’t have kids (which the act of divorcing is a sin as well, so you’re damning them come Hell or high water; they sin if they divorce, they sin if they can’t produce children, and they sin if they produce a child out of wedlock).
“No, we are saying they should not rely on the doctor. Doctors are a scam.”
So then every time Adam calls himself a doctor, you’re saying he’s a scam? Ok.
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“Not the point, you think that her parents should’ve split up the moment they found out that they couldn’t have kids (which the act of divorcing is a sin as well, so you’re damning them come Hell or high water; they sin if they divorce, they sin if they can’t produce children, and they sin if they produce a child out of wedlock).”
Where do I say this?
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“Where do I say this?”
The fact that you believe that infertile couples shouldn’t be married. Considering how you idiots believe divorce is a sin and that sex outside of marriage is a sin, you’re telling Maddy’s parents that they’re sinning no matter what route they take. If they aren’t making children, you consider it a sin, if they divorce, they sin, and if they annulled the marriage and had a child, then that would mean that they had sex outside of marriage and thus be committing a sin.
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I do agree with August there. You are a Miracle, beating the odds that were laid before you. not many people do that
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This comment was removed for excessive language.
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The fact my removed shows up for everyone is kind of funny…Go me for actually managing to get modded
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They don’t like it when the truth is out in the open. They love being delusional twits and jackoffs.
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They can’t comprehend any statement that they didn’t make or isn’t apart of the bible. They were brainwashed into thinking like the idiots that they are.
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Well..My comment did have truth to it…but in angry rant form…It was most likely my “offensive” language that upset them…
I’m actually happy I found the line AND managed to cross it…I shall mark this as a Christwire achievement!
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“I wrote this to see how long it would take to get deleted.
15 minutes, moderator is busy.
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I guess for an ‘excessive’ post you should summarize more, O.
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Huh? It wasn’t deleted because it was excessive…It was deleted because I swore a lot…
In fact, my revised comment below is longer than the one tht was deleted
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If god hates homosexuals and infertile people, why would he create them in the first place?
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That’s like asking why he created serial killers, Orientals, and cats.
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It’s also like asking why are you so racist and demented.
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Yes August, it is. Now why won’t you answer the question? If God is “ALL LOVING” why did he create horrible people, infertile people, and homosexuals?
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Blanche, you cited this from what you wrote. Citing your own thing doesn’t count.
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He gives people a free will to seperate those that love him from those that do not.
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But he doesn’t condemn these people. However, you and the people on this site do. Are you a greater being than this so-called “God” ?
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Except if God knows everything, including what we’re going to do next, then we don’t actually have free will, we’re simply following the instructions he knew that we would have. You’re also confusing ‘brainwashing’ with ‘free will’, something that Christians like you do way too often.
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We try and save them and keep them from children.
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Good point
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“He gives people a free will to seperate those that love him from those that do not.”
Soooooooo…Loving God means to forfeit your free will? That explains oh so much about this site…
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To L.N.
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Infertility and Homosexuality isn’t contagious, or even a disease for that matter. It is something you’re born with. There is no point in “protecting” your children from these things. It is something they will see no matter what.
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Gay is a choice.
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Being gay is not a choice you are born with that feeling, its not a disease. You cant help what your attracted to…
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You don’t see babies sodomizing each other. Gay is a choice. Reproduction is natural, sodomy is unnatural
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Gay does not equal sodomy you buffoon. Homosexuality can’t be a choice because nobody would choose to be hated by so many people.
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Oh wow, why would someone choose to be harassed everyday and judged?
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“Homosexuality can’t be a choice because nobody would choose to be hated by so many people.”
People chose to sin all the time. Child molesters, murderers, pol-pot, gays.
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Yeah but they just want to hurt people, gays dont hurt people in any way.
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August, all you idiots can do is say ‘homosexuality is a choice’ without actually proving that it is.
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“gays dont hurt people in any way.”
-Sandusky defense attorney
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Sandusky dosen’t represent homosexuals at all…basing an entire group off the actions of one man is just stupid
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so you hate orientals (I.E asian) because they are human and better than the jack ass you are august ?
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Orientals? Like the rugs?
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I think he meant Persians, like the cat. He is full of Cajun blood.
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How did you both not see the I.E. asians in the parenthesis?
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Herbert,
I cited a faithful explanation and provided a clear answer to this tired question Atheists usually ask.
FROM THE ARTICLE:
“Babies are not born homosexual or infertile. Babies develop these conditions based on environmental, societal and demonic means.
Clearly, both homosexuality and baby poverty are the result of sin.”
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Damn Christwire…Deleting my comment because I happened to say the F-Word one too many times…Here’s basically what i said without the swearing do I don’t upset the oh-so-over-sensitive-Mod:
@Blanche and August.
Saying faith helps people out (Like you claim it does in the cases Maddy and Epsilon brought up) is just madness. FAITH. DOES. NOTHING. God dosen’t help anybody no matter how many times you get down on your knees and beg to him. Faith isnt some magic genie that if you pray to enough magically solves your problems. Again, faith does absolutely nothing. In fact, it has the tendency to make things worse, trust me…My outright darkest part of my life was brought on by people trying to use faith to help me…And it did the exact opposite of what you people believe it can do.
Also, saying “God made the science work” is just a stupid excuse because you KNOW you’re wrong but too scared to admit it. SCIENCE helped, GOD did NOTHING.
Much better, O. – el modo grande
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“over-sensitive”?
This is a christian site.
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Doesn’t stop ‘Christians’ from posting pictures of decapitated and maimed bodies.
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Yes…But I have seen far more offensive language used on this site before and it wasn’t modded
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Maybe it should have been. I like you O. You are much more reasonable than others.
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I don’t see how you take me as reasonable when half the time I fly into random topics completely unrelated to what’s being said?
At least people like L.N. stay on track and is consistent with his approach
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Because you are way more intelligent and have a sense of humor.
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More intelligent? I’ve seen way more intelligent comments from other people before…Are you just ignoring them?
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“Much better, O. – el modo grande”
I’m assuming the Moderator is just you August…since you’re the only one who calls me “O”
I am not August, I am
El Modo.
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No that’s not me, I don’t know Italian. Abe is fluent in Latin.
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Well, whoever is ghost chatting through my comments knows that “El Modo” dosen’t make any sense in any language right?
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Oh and I believe someone posted pictures of dildos in other articles yet the F-word is harsh?
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we have a weird definition for “christianity” out there huh
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Thank you! Someone else who understands that faith does nothing!
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Faith is actually pretty harmful…It almost wrecked my entire life…Which is why I now avoid churches as if they were the plague…Which they still are kinda like a plague…
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Yet you both come here?
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In truth Ouroboros hungers for faith, since he is barren and can’t have any he comes here in an attempt to destroy the faith of others: its very sad.
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Cause it’s entertaining to argue against your guy’s insane backwards logic
This dosen’t even feel like a religious site…It just feels like a hate site with a sprinkle of religion thrown in
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Pfft, good one Hubner…Like you think you know me…
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Poor ouroboros, you are a spiritual corpse, spreading your hate and bilge over the internet on our holy site! I feel sorry for you.
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As Ouroborus stated, yes, it is fun to argue with you simpletons. I also strive to make the world a better place by trying to enlighten you bigots to stop hating just because some old book that is changed constantly
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Has any one of you ever converted a felowship member? No. Have we grown our membership? Yes. Do people come here because they like seeing you naysayers be idiots? All the time. Some would say LN and Claire turn people to the fellowship and help us grow.
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I quite like the word corpse…
I don’t spread the hate here, that honor goes to you and your covenant on this site…I spread truth, you guys are just blinded by faith to comprehend it
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Fanny Boy, if you have not come here to drink from our oasis of faith and rejoice in the lord I suggest you return to the shadows of the faithless. You will be commited to the grave soon enough, and when that happens the maggots and the scarabs will eat the flesh off your bones while your soul will be ass rammed yu belzebuth & Satan, youl think you were fucked by a train, and this will go on for eternity!
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Actually, one of the “naysayers” brought me to this site…A fellow I bet you guys remember; a Mr. OddAthiest…
So yes, the naysayers have brought people to our side before.
And you know a lot of people come here to laugh at you guys right?
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never heard of him.
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Last time I checked, Satan tourtured people. Just because I want people to stop hating each other, I’m going to hell? Seems legitimate. I also don’t believe in heaven or hell, so why should I care about the non-existant entity of Satan butt ramming me?
Aside from that, you reply was actually pretty haunting. You should write horor stories
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“never heard of him.”
I wasn’t talking to you, I was talking to August
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Actually I rather like Satan’s persona in those bible fairytales. You see Satan gave humans critical thinking, which transformed them from mindless drones to people who are able to distinguish right from wrong. Along with that, Satan’s domain is hell, which according to their book is where the sinners are punished. So, he is doing a good thing for people, but we hate him for it.
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^Which leads me to believe that quite a few Christians are actually advocating for evil. They hate Satan because he punishes evil-doers and sinners, and they don’t want to be punished for their evils and sins.
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“They hate Satan because he punishes evil-doers and sinners”
really?
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@Hamsteak, that’s actually a really awesome point and shows that according to the Christian faith, the only reason we actually have the freedom to chose is because of of Satan. They also need something to blame “evil” on because even though they claim god made everything perfect, the world is still flawed and they can’t accept this contradiction in their faith.
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LN,
Satan fell from Heaven because he placed humanity above God’s Law. As a ‘humanist’ Satan does not enjoy his work. His punishment is to corrupt those he loves. Sinners are sent there not only due to their own corruption, but because God is punishing Satan, forcing him to corrupt them.
For someone that ‘thinks’ they understand theology, you are quite ignorant.
As humans, we are called to follow God’s law and reject the humanist view.
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“Satan fell from Heaven because he placed humanity above God’s Law.”
That’s one of half a dozen different reasons why. Care to explain the reason that states it’s because he wanted to overthrow God? What about the one where he states that the angels are better than humans and that the humans shouldn’t bow to man?
“As a ‘humanist’ Satan does not enjoy his work. His punishment is to corrupt those he loves. Sinners are sent there not only due to their own corruption, but because God is punishing Satan, forcing him to corrupt them.”
Let me ask you this, what is Hell? Describe it in it’s entirety. Get any amount of detail you want to throw in there, and let’s see what you come up with.
“For someone that ‘thinks’ they understand theology, you are quite ignorant.”
For someone who claims to be a Christian, you sure haven’t read the bible at all.
“As humans, we are called to follow God’s law and reject the humanist view.”
So you reject the idea that people should care about other people?
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LN,
We are called to love and show compassion for one another, but do so in a way that does not break God’s law.
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“We are called to love and show compassion for one another, but do so in a way that does not break God’s law.”
So aside from the fact that you completely ignored me asking you to describe Hell, along with so much else that I said, you’re saying that we should show compassion for one another, but in a way that isn’t a sin.
Here’s the problem: you completely redefine what a sin is just to suite your hateful agenda. You call the love between two consenting adults of the same gender to be a sin, so you intrude upon their lives, ruining them, harassing them, telling them that they’re wrong, telling them that they shouldn’t be together, and completely disregard the fact that they have their own religious views and so forth.
God is nothing but a concept. You live on Earth, you live in America, a land with many different concepts and faiths, and yet you believe that your concept is higher than anyone else’s. Aside from the fact that you disregard many things that America stands for, you show your hatred of other views in your own sick, sinister ways. You think harassing someone and telling them that they’re wrong is ‘love’, you think that people should be separated if they don’t fit your exact standards for a family, and when someone shows you proof of how wrong you are, you simply turn and face the other direction and say ‘what proof?’.
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Since when do I answer to you, LN? Is that your prideful purpose? To boss around the contributors and play “Big Lunatic” of the comment boards to make up for your short stature and limp noodle?
As far as disregard – whew! You disregard everything and everybody. If any of the CW flock says anything, you jump on it like your life depends on it. You are on here night and day. You don’t seem to rest and some of your comments really reflect a possibly drugged mind. I sometimes wonder if you do menthol. I hear it has this affect.
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“Since when do I answer to you, LN?”
Considering I’m a man and the bible tells you to obey me, there’s that factoid.
There’s also the fact that you don’t ever argue my points. You never have. You’ll say the stupidest shit, and when I call you out on it, you say something else that’s completely stupid. You’re a liar and a coward.
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“Considering I’m a man and the bible tells you to obey me, there’s that factoid”
You are no man, certainly not a Christian man. YOU are the one that tries to weld the Bible as a weapon – There’s that observable FACTOID.
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“You are no man, certainly not a Christian man.”
My penis says otherwise, Rib.
“YOU are the one that tries to weld the Bible as a weapon – There’s that observable FACTOID.”
1. Capitalizing words only works if it makes sense to put an emphasis on them in the first place.
2. How is what I did any different than what you do towards people of different religion, gender, sexuality, or ethnicity?
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Don’t expose yourself on the comment boards, LN.
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Nice way of avoiding what I said.
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Nice one HamSteak
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After reading a few articles and a few comments, I have come to the conclusion that gays and retards (and surprisingly blacks aren’t in that list) aren’t te cause of the worlds problems, it’s people like Christians that cause it. Language like “homofags” is spreading hate, don’t call US haters when you stand against equal rights for anyone but yourselves! Ignorant bastards
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Use christian words next time.
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There is no such thing as “christian words” Antoine. A religion can not own a word.
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How about the word Christ? is that not a christian word? Christwire is also a christian word. get your facts straight Fanny boy.
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The word of christ isn’t a word. It is a compilation of a bunch of other words.
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All words are a compilation of a bunch of other words you idiot, thats what language is.
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So, you think the words used by “the word of Christ” are christian words just because christ is in the name, and I’m the idiot? The word of Christ isn’t a language you idiot
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Also, how are all words a compilation of other words? What words comprise the word “word” hmm? Imbecile.
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You are truly an idiot. Do you think the word ”word” was always so since the begining of times?
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Had you studied ethnolinguistics you would understand that words evolve, they combine, all words This is language in a nutshell, language evolves so do the words that compose it. you are probably a 12 year old girl or something to be ignorant of this.
”Laughing out loud!”
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The word “word” comes from before 900; Middle English, Old English; cognate with Dutch woord, German Wort, Old Norse orth, Gothic waurd; akin to OPruss wirds, Latin verbum ‘word’, Lithuanian var̃das ‘name’ It is from editing from other languages. So in a way, yes. The word “word” has been so since the first language created the word.
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Words don’t actually combine. The closest thing to this is a “compound word”. Letters combine to form words. Words don’t combine to form words. The American English language is a combination of several other languages and the words taken from other languages are edited to sound different, but mean the same.
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Imbecile, you don’t get how this works do you?
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Oh and citation for this copy pasta? it will not be the first time one of your ilk will have displayed dishonesty.
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I didn’t copy and paste this. What is “copy pasta” by the way? I know it is supposed to sound like a clever change of copy and paste, but it’s down right stupid.
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Herbert is right. Words cannot be owned by an entity, therefore your so called “Christian words” do not exist. They are part of your imagination, like the god you Christians so commonly reference.
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Yes, we all understand that Epsilon is only the fifth brightest star in a constellation.
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Just sharing some information you idiots are obviously oblivious to.
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”The American English language is a combination of several other languages”
This is what I meant cretin.
Also how old are you??
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The English language didn’t combine two or more words from to or more of these languages. They just changed the spelling of one word from one language. This is what I meant you twit.
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Does a child born as the result of fertility treatments or conceived of unnatural means burst into flames during Christening? I would think that the sacrament would fix that. Maybe Maddy could volunteer for a test.
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I would expect people not conceived naturally to grow up hating others, maybe enough hate to be an atheist.
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I don’t recall atheists using the bible as an excuse to insult and beat and kill others.
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Of course they don’t use the Bible. They use math.
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Math doesn’t instruct people to viciously murder people who get out of line, nor does it care what your religion is.
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Explain why mongloid-saxxons are good at math and explain linear algebra. Also what about that movie 11-11-11 where the antichrist uses math to take over the world?
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“Explain why mongloid-saxxons are good at math and explain linear algebra.”
You’re using a racist stereotype to describe Asians.
“Also what about that movie 11-11-11 where the antichrist uses math to take over the world?”
You didn’t see the movie, you’re just being an idiot again.
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I saw it.
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You also think that Species is a documentary, clearly you’re an idiot that doesn’t pay attention to anything.
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No, you use science to insult, curse at us with foul language, poison the minds of innocents and draw people away from healing faith.
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Really? becasue from what I ‘ve seen here is you Christanas use your faith to insult and hate those who disagree with you, use foul language as much of the rest of us, and draw people away from the truth that is science with the lie that is religion.
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How does that even begin to make sense? You’re telling people that if they aren’t white, that they’re full of sin and can’t go to heaven, you’re telling people that if they’re a woman, that their only duties are to cook, clean, and make & care for children, you’re telling gay people that they’re wrong for loving another consenting adult, you’re telling everyone else that their faith and entire history is completely wrong and that you’re the only right one (and only YOUR specific interpretation of the bible as well, making other Christian branches moot), and the bible has stated several times that people who do the simplest of ‘crimes’ should be executed without a second thought.
All science does is expand upon the world as we know it, and shows that the world is much older than we thought. Are you really so fucking caught up on your lies, that you can’t accept the fact that people who were rock-stupid back then and thought that the world was flat and that the Earth is the center of everything were wrong about how old the Earth was?
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What in tarnation are you yammering about now, LN?
Science makes radiation, crops that rats won’t eat, Frankenfish, pollution, diseases like cancer and allergies and most of all it allows slow wits like your self feel like Gods by connecting electronically to our fellowship and injecting your evil into our holy site. Besides, what makes you think the Earth is anything but flat? All the pictures are two dimensional. Have you orbited this so called round Earth? Maybe August can tell you if it is round, but you may not believe his answer because you are contrary for the sake of nothing.
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“Science makes radiation,”
Which also happens naturally, so blaming science is pointless.
“crops that rats won’t eat,”
This is too stupid to bother replying to outside of this statement.
“Frankenfish,”
Just because you see a movie doesn’t mean it’s real.
“pollution,”
No, that’s not what science does.
“diseases like cancer”
Which existed long before modern-day science.
“and allergies”
Again, which existed long before modern-day science.
“and most of all it allows slow wits like your self feel like Gods by connecting electronically to our fellowship and injecting your evil into our holy site.”
Holy? I can’t think of a more demonic site on the net. Hell, at least Stormfront is honest about being KKK members, you all deny it with a fervor while you talk about your Klan hats.
“Besides, what makes you think the Earth is anything but flat? All the pictures are two dimensional. Have you orbited this so called round Earth?”
You’re joking, you seriously think the Earth is flat?
“Maybe August can tell you if it is round, but you may not believe his answer because you are contrary for the sake of nothing.”
August is nothing short of a liar and a retard who can’t tell the difference between fiction and reality.
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All of that denial, LN and you don’t even blink at being called a half wit. Using your superior model for internet debate, this must mean the term is truthful, because you fail to address it.
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“All of that denial, LN and you don’t even blink at being called a half wit.”
You never called me a half wit, dipshit.
“Using your superior model for internet debate, this must mean the term is truthful, because you fail to address it.”
So then you are also saying that August is a liar, a coward, and completely and utterly stupid, good to know!
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my younger sister was born of “unnatural causes” and she is Christian(sadly).
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A baby’s just a baby, the way it was conceived matters not
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Did you not see that documentary film Species?
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Fiction does not equal reality, stupid.
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Documentary? Species wasn’t a documentary…
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That is what the gays want you to think.
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Christian is apparently a synonym for paranoid or conspiracy theorist.
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Uh no, it’s a fictional horror movie…that’s it
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Where’s your proof?
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If I placed two babies in front of you; one conceived the natural way and one conceived through another method, would you be able to tell the difference?
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The evil eyes, yes. Also they evil one would post “why do you hate…..?” here 20 times a day.
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I think we would see a sign. Did you ever see Rosemary’s Baby?
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August, you’re flip-flopping again!
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The answer is no there would be no difference between the two…A naturally conceived baby could grow up to be Atheist just as a baby conceived alternatively could grow up to be Christian…The way they were conceived will have not mattered.
And really? “Rosemary’s Baby”? What does a fictional movie have to do with the argument?
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I meant “no” instead of “noz”… Such a weird typo
Fixed for you, because you have the spark of faith – El Modo
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Are you the new Moderator, O? I’m beginning to wonder…
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I would. The one without the soul would be the sin child.
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A soul is something you clearly lack, Adam.
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LN,
You wouldn’t know a soul if it pulled down your panties and spanked you.
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That’s rich, coming from someone who can’t tell the difference between fantasy and reality.
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L.N that is so funny coming from you and your failure to get it
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Huh, thanks Mod-Man…
@Blanche. For some reason the new mod is using my comments as some sort of proxy to speak through…I can’t complain, he did fix my typo for me.
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August laughs at me for not getting it, and yet he’s just as guilty for thinking a piece of fiction is reality.
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You need to learn how to use that sentence properly.
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tell me how can “atheist be hateful” since the beginning of your rleigion christianity you were bashing on those “pagan atheist” for No reason at all
and you wodner why they hate christian because you started the war atheist wanted to be elft alone but you always come and harass them
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Omitted for Ignorance. – El Modo strikes again!
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Omitted for Foul Duck Calls on the Forum. 10 Yard Penalty. – El Modo Grande Supreme
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Ok…I think ModMan has gone power hungry…
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Methinks someone got drunk.
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Funny how he shows up when you’re around, O.
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I swear to god I am not the mod. whoever he is is starting to go overboard with his power…
Why he chose my comments to originally speak through is beyond me…
Oh look, he changed Maddy’s comment…Now he’s just abusing his power in the sake of being a dick to people…
You, May call me El Modo, not Dick.
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This is the first time he’s shown up. Damn you’re stupid.
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LN,
To be so ‘in the know’ you don’t know much. A memo came out that someone from the boards was going to mod as a trial. Just trying to figure out who it is. I know it isn’t you, because you would delete all my posts.
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And I’m talking to Blanche, in case someone gets the wrong idea (probably too late for that).
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I’ll call you a lot worse things if you don’t stop abusing your power just for the hell of it
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And again, Blanche, this is the first night that this new mod has shown up. Not only that, but surely they would’ve announced this new mod on this forum you all keep talking about.
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I might like el-modo. Is it Claire?
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Trivia FROM THE MODERATOR:
“What Fresh Hell is This?”
“A line attributed many times to Shakespeare but actually it’s from American author/critic/poet and wit Dorothy Parker. She is reported to have exclaimed “What fresh hell is this?” when her train of thought was interrupted by a telephone. She then started using it in place of “hello” when answering the phone or a knock at her door. In many ways she can be considered the patron saint of all tech support workers.”
Original Post Changed due to Ignorant Comment – El Modo Grande
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Alright, El Modo Grande is officially awesome.
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It would be even more awesome he would stop being an annoyance and stop changing people’s comments due to “ignorance” which is just code for “He dosen’t like the post”
Hear that Modo? You’re ring annoying as hell
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I wonder if this incident will convince Bruce that admins can edit posts. Then again, he thinks ‘I want to stab you in the throat and watch you bleed’ is dirty talk.
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Even though El Modo Grande changed my post it made me laugh so hard xD
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Same here!
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Maybe the new moderator is someone…from above
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What, you mean hamsteak? Or are you refering to Maddy?
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Ten yard penalty hm? I’m cool with that.
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eh I dont completely agree with someone picking and choosing comments but I mean it did make me laugh so no need for me to get too upset I guess lol
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I think O is upset. Might need a hug. I’m going to write a letter to the holymailbox to get El Modo fired.
Nice try La Blanca – All your Loki are mine. – El Modo Grande
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Darn Italians
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I would love him even more if he modded one of Blanche’s comments.
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Are jewish people allowed on here or am i going to hell for my beliefs
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