A Question to Christians
There is something that has really been bugging me. Why do you Christians all believe in a book that is over two thousand years old? I get that there is the whole factor of life after death, which provides security for people who don’t want to die. I get that some people want to know that there is more to life than just get up, eat, work, sleep, repeat. But why a book that was written two thousand years or more ago? These people encouraged and expected slavery, desires the death of almost everyone in the modern world, require the oppression of women, and want you to self amputate if you have “a limb that caused you to sin”. There are several things that prove that the bible is absolutely disgusting, worthless, and wrong, such as:
The Entire Concept of Hell is Disturbing.
God is omnipotent. This means that He is infinite in power, wisdom, and authority. Hell is the ultimate in punishment, where people burn for an eternity. Now, God creates people, in the knowledge that they will burn in Hell. He is supposed to be all loving, meaning that he loves everyone (even gays, so be quiet about that). now, if He loves everyone, and He creates people while knowing that they will be condemned to the worst punishment in the history of ever, than He either does not love everyone or has a sick definition of love. Now, if it is the latter, than I cannot repeat this enough, he creates people to be tortured for all eternity. This is absolutely not love. But before you go running down to the comments section screaming BUT THEY DI THAT TO THEMSELVZ!!1!! THEY HAVZ FRE WILLLLL!!!!1!!11111 read the next section…
Free Will and Omniscience Without Exception Cannot Coexist.
If you have free will, as it implies many times in the bible, and is widely believed (for example: Genesis 2:16-17 And the lord God commanded the man, saying of every tree of the Garden of Eden thou mayest freely eat; But of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou shall not eat of it, fir in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shat surely die.) then there can be omniscience, which is the knowledge of everything ever. If He knows everything, which includes the actions of human affairs, than there can be no free will. This is because if you do something, and someone already knows that it will occur beyond doubt, as is signified by omniscience, than you have no free will. If you do indeed have free will, than you have several choices. you can do anyone of them, and no one knows for sure what you will do, which rules out the ultimate presage that god wields. to put it in simpler terms, lets put it into a situation. Gilligan does not want to go to school. He has several options. He can: suck it up and go to school, stay home, or come in late. Lets say he comes in late. Free will means that he himself made that decision, nothing made him. Omniscience basically means that God made that decision for him thousands of years ago, when he predetermined that his judgement on education would result in this outcome. So which one, Christians? Omniscience or free will? remember that choosing the former means that he is creating people that have no choice but to go to Hell.
Almost All of the Laws, Rulings, and Other Holy Epiphanys Occurred While the Person was Alone.
The Ten Commandments. The backbone for the law in the Bible. These were created while completely alone on top of a mountain. God gave Moses his purpose in life as a burning bush while utterly alone, except for the sheep. My point is that almost all of God’s decrees that form the Bible could have been made up. Why? I believe mostly for personal gain. Moses went from being a nobody shepherd to one of the most well known men in the world. Jesus, by claiming to be the son of God went from a guy who was born in a barn to being the most well known Messiah of all time, founding a religion that would last for over two thousand years and counting and being known on every single continent. Andrew (one of the twelve apostles) started as a poor fisherman and died a martyred disciple of Jesus. My point is that all these people could have made it up for fame and fortune.
Nobody in Their Right Mind Would Listen to It.
Quick, when was the last time you chopped off your own arm because you preformed a sin with it? Hopefully never, right? When was the last time you gouged out an eye because you undertook one of the 7 deadly sin with it (envy, maybe?)? If the response to both is never, and you have done any form of sin, than you have directly defied one of Jesus’ teachings. “If thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. And if thy right hand offend thee, cut if off, and cast if from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.” –Matthew 5:29,30. These words came directly from Jesus. the Bible specifically demand the deaths of:
people who work on the Sabbath (even Family Christian Stores have people working on the Sabbath. I cannot emphasize that enough)
Teens that disrespect their parents
anyone and everyone who does not believe in God
all gays (i know you guys already agree with this)
all adulterous and adulteresses
all women who are not virgins when they marry
For numbers 2, 4, 5, and 6, the Bible demands that they are stoned to death. This means that they are brought to their city gates (I don’t know how many still have those) and have rocks thrown at them until they die. Now, the amount of Christians in the world is about 2.1 billion, and the worlds population is around 7 billion, so, rounding to the nearest billion, the bible demands the death of about 71% of people, (please feel free to correct my math, but remember I am rounding) and that’s on only one of it’s rulings. So, of the remaining Christians not wiped out, lets say about 90% of them had hormones as a child and back talked their parents at least once. That’s 90% of 29%, which is 26.1% (sorry if I lost you people). that leaves 2.9 % of the global population, and that is only with rough calculations and 2 of the Bible’s rulings. Now, anyone who works on the Sabbath is put to death also, so anyone who: cooks, cleans, drives, exercises, goes to a job, decorates, preaches, cares for children or animals, tends to a farm, plays, builds anything, walks large distances, or does anything similar must be put to death. There goes the remaining 2.9%.
It Promotes Appalling Ideas
So, lets say you live in Canada. the Bible gives me direct authority to enslave you. “However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you…”(Leviticus 25:44-4). It also states that women are to keep silent, as “1 Corinthians 14:34 – 35* 34. Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as also saith the law. 35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. “I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.” -Timothy 2:12 So the bible expects and promotes sexism and slavery. How nice.
So, if you have (hopefully, if you have reached this point) read this article, you may have realized that “The law of the LORD is perfect, reviving the soul. The statutes of the LORD are trustworthy, making wise the simple” -(psalm 19:7) is a rather flawed statement. for the Bible demands slavery, rampant murder, blatant sexism. God creates people simply to die and go to Hell, the most vile atrocity I can think of (for previously explained reasons) and with Him, free will cannot exist. Now, I do realize that the majority of the Bible quotes in here are from the old testament, but this article was about how the Bible is flawed, not about how Christianity is. (I’ll do another article about that later. Maybe.)
So, for now, see ya in the comments.
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Author: dalpezzo13
i am an atheist, merely came to this site for shits and giggles.
1:03 am
You try to make God and omniscience fit into human understanding. If you set aside your disbelief for a belief second and just imagine that there is an omnipotent being. Do you think you would be able to understand it?
For most of us it is about faith, and in the end, I think it must be about faith, and if faith is a choice, then it can be lost – for a man, an angel, or the devil himself. And if faith means never completely understanding God’s plan, then maybe understanding just a part of it – our part – is what it is to have a soul. And maybe in the end, that’s what being human is, after all.
As to your questions about archaic laws. In my state laws change all the time. The drinking age has gone up, the speed limits have gone up. Does that mean those old laws were wrong or hypocritical? No, things change, times change, laws and rules change. There was a day where eating a pig could kill you. Now with better processing and refrigeration, pigs are safe.
Also you are incorrect in many of your facts. The ten commandments are not the backbone of law in the Bible. And The seven deadly sins is a catholic idea and has nothing to do with the Bible.
And many Christians believe that Hell is being fully removed from God’s presence. People make that choice. And so they get it. It is not necessarily a “burn in hell” scenario.
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1:15 am
Atheists love to try to put God in their little box, so they can feel better about themselves.
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1:19 am
What box are you even talking about?
Also, Atheists don’t believe there is a god so how could we be trying to put something that we don’t think it’s real into a box?
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2:08 am
Abe is talking about the “God of the Gaps”. Everytime there is a new discovery in science, atheists say “This disproves God” and try to dangle the bit of knowledge around, like it validates their own self-superiority and limits God somehow.
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2:22 am
I’m fairly certain that the bible does a much better job at disproving God than anything else. Why would a kind and loving God allow so many horrendous things to happen? Why would an all-knowing God need to test someone’s faith?
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10:05 am
It is a proof of our resolution unto God? If your heart was not hardened, pharisee, you would be able to understand.
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12:43 pm
Remember, “god” is nothing more than a nonsense word created by man to explain away all of the things we can’t yet understand.
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12:48 pm
God is who will judge you guilty or innocent at the end of your days. If you don’t bow to him now, you shall bow later. You will realize he is your master and your creator.
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12:59 pm
And i shall plead “”Sorry no Contest You do not have jurisdiction”"
This Figment of Ancient Jewish Imagination that you “SEEM TO BELIEVE IN”
“IS NOT MY MASTER AND NEVER WILL BE”
MY FATHER WAS MY CREATOR NOT SOME AIR’Y FAIRY.
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2:46 pm
“God is who will judge you guilty or innocent at the end of your days.”
Stop acting as if you’re god then if you realize that your religion states that he is judge and jury.
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3:30 pm
So God is Supposed to be my Master
and therefore i’m the Slave
How to talk to a slave
I cannot stress this enough: Be DIRECT and to the point.
GOD DOES NOT TALK TO ME.
If you’re not a slave and don’t really know what it’s like being one, then chances are you probably don’t know how slaves think and for that matter how slaves don’t think.
I’M NOT AND NEVER HAVE BEEN A SLAVE
I THINK FOR MYSELF AND ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR MY ACTIONS
Don’t leave things to chance. If You’re the kind of Master who thinks a slave is unequal, inferior and needs to live life according to Your rules and whims, then don’t assume such a dependable slave is going to understand exactly what you mean by whatever generic term you’ve cleverly thought up to use.
GOD THE SLAVE MASTER IS ALWAYS ABSENT HE NEVER TELEPHONES NEVER VISIT’S NEVER OVERSEER’S HE LEAVES EVERYTHING TO CHANCE
As a Slave Master “Your GOD IS CRAP AT THE JOB”
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10:20 am
Christians love to read their little book, it makes them feel better about themselves.
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2:31 pm
And Fundamentalist Christians like the Christwire Nutcase’s love to read and quote their little book of story’s, it makes them realize how inadequate they are and that feeling of inadequacy Makes them lash out at all people that ARE BETTER THAN THEMSELVES
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11:22 pm
“You try to make God and omniscience fit into human understanding. If you set aside your disbelief for a belief second and just imagine that there is an omnipotent being. Do you think you would be able to understand it?”
No, omnipotence and free will can NOT exist if it possessed and given by the same being. If you knew everything that was going to happen and knew what exactly what someone was thinking or is thinking or what they will think, how can that be considered ‘free will’?
“For most of us it is about faith, and in the end, I think it must be about faith, and if faith is a choice, then it can be lost – for a man, an angel, or the devil himself.”
True, the problem is when you start trying to force other people to follow your faith, and punish them if they do not.
“And if faith means never completely understanding God’s plan, then maybe understanding just a part of it – our part – is what it is to have a soul. And maybe in the end, that’s what being human is, after all.”
Except there’s still the giant contradiction of a being like God. God can’t know everything and yet still allow us to have free will, someone’s gotta be lying. That’s just one of the MANY things that show that ‘god’ either can’t exist, or is one of the cruelest beings in the entire history of existence.
“As to your questions about archaic laws. In my state laws change all the time. The drinking age has gone up, the speed limits have gone up. Does that mean those old laws were wrong or hypocritical? No, things change, times change, laws and rules change.”
Again, true, the problem however is when people decide to use the older laws instead of the newer ones. If the speed limit was changed from 35 to 25 on a road, you can’t just decide ‘fuck it, I’m gonna go 35 because that was the old way’. It’s a lot like the rest of religion, you can’t say that certain old laws should be followed when there are several very good reasons as to why they should not.
“There was a day where eating a pig could kill you. Now with better processing and refrigeration, pigs are safe.”
Fairly certain the idea of ‘eating a pig’ was sacrilege for a much different set of reasons.
“Also you are incorrect in many of your facts. The ten commandments are not the backbone of law in the Bible. And The seven deadly sins is a catholic idea and has nothing to do with the Bible.”
Except who are you to say that the Seven Deadly Sins should have nothing to do with the bible? That might apply to your specific brand of Christianity, but not true for others, and considering the amount of differences between religions, odds are some group has to be right and another has to be wrong.
“And many Christians believe that Hell is being fully removed from God’s presence. People make that choice. And so they get it. It is not necessarily a “burn in hell” scenario.”
And again, who are you to say that what someone does is going to get them sent to Hell? You can point to parts in the bible, but there’s still a matter of context, a change of times, and whether or not others accept that part as being bad.
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11:32 pm
Let’s discuss this more. We are heading to the Olympics and had extra tickets to offer O and his family, however he made it clear he want’s nothing to do with us. Would you like to come? We could have some drinks watch some events and talk about faith.
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12:01 am
I’d rather not, I have a job to go to.
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3:48 am
Come on, it’s the Olympics. Airfare and hotel is included. Pretty much everything is covered except souvenirs.
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12:51 am
Huh? I thought my friend came clean that he jacked my account for a bet…At least he told me that he came clean…
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10:04 am
He Did. I congratulated him for a good August Weisz “MINDFUCK”
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4:37 pm
So he did…So shouldn’t things just go back to normal?
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4:41 pm
“Normal on an abnormal site what would that be”
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9:59 am
okay, lets do this
“As to your questions about archaic laws. In my state laws change all the time. The drinking age has gone up, the speed limits have gone up. Does that mean those old laws were wrong or hypocritical? No, things change, times change, laws and rules change. There was a day where eating a pig could kill you. Now with better processing and refrigeration, pigs are safe.” I shall counter this with a quote from the bible. “The grass withers and the flowers fall, but the word of our God stands forever.” -(Isaiah 40:8) pretty straight forward, and it blows that argument away. unless you are saying that the bible is wrong.
“Also you are incorrect in many of your facts. The ten commandments are not the backbone of law in the Bible. And The seven deadly sins is a catholic idea and has nothing to do with the Bible.” okay, if the ten commandments are not the foundation of law in the bible, what are they? suggestions? and I said noting about the 7 deadly sins, but thanks for that little tidbit anyway.
“Also you are incorrect in many of your facts. The ten commandments are not the backbone of law in the Bible. And The seven deadly sins is a catholic idea and has nothing to do with the Bible.” God created Lucifer. Lucifer became evil. God has omniscience, so god knew he was creating a being so evil that he would corrupt mankind. also, what with omniscience, people have no choice but to go to hell.
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12:01 pm
Holy crap dude! Almost at the same time! HAHAHA!
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7:50 pm
what is?
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7:52 pm
You guys posted at almost the same time.
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8:02 pm
ah.
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7:56 pm
wait, i see where i reference the seven deadly sins. prehaps i forgot about it beacause it was IN ONE FREAKING SENTENCE! and it was just to provide an example of sin! holy shit you people are nit-picky!
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12:00 pm
Who’s saying they understand an omnipotent being? He’s saying that this omnipotent being created people knowing he was going to send them to hell which is absolutely NOT benevolent. He’s also stating that if God is in fact omnipotent then free will cannot exist because it is dependent on the future not being predetermined.
As for laws changing 2 Timothy 3:6 disagrees with by saying “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.” Isaiah 40:8 says “The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.” The laws in your state may change, but the laws in the bible are solid. If you think they’ve changed, show me in the bible where they did cause I must have slept through that part.
Then of course there’s all the stories in the bible where God commands his people to rape, murder, and pillage which I don’t know about you but I find completely unforgivable. Since you give so much power to the state how about we talk about the fact that there is no statue of limitation on murder and put God on trial?
As for those laws being hypocritical, yes, they were then, and they are now. I’m sorry, but I would hold a benevolent, omnipotent/omniscient being to a higher standard than regular humanity. We’re not talking about eating pigs here, we’re talking about the fact that according to the bible you can sell your own daughter into slavery.
As for your “hell” scenario the bible is very clear on what hell is. If you want to change it’s meaning to something you’re more comfortable with than you are welcome to do so but don’t attempt to claim that it has any basis in scripture.
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2:49 pm
just because you tried to explain without insulting I praised click you ever if we have different misconception of the religion in itself and the bible
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5:30 am
Why would someone who doesn’t believe in a higher power have to prove anything? There is no burden of proof on me to disprove the existence of god. I have no problem with people who have faith and follow their religion for the betterment of mankind. My problem is with those who preach and talk down to non-believers with a smugness that defies belief. I frankly find the idea of a magical superbeing laughable but I have no problem with you believing in one. The world would be a much better place if we didn’t have the radicals from both sides shouting their opinions from the rooftops and just kept the decent people who only care about their fellow man.
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7:38 am
God is a cause without cause. Nothing created God, but God created everything. In a science-dominated world, people tend to see this true statement and see it as false because in their scientific worldview, everything that doesn’t have a tangible, physical cause does not exist. God understands this burning question and we must live in faith, knowing it is not for us to understand everything. We are here to glorify and serve God, and not to question Him. God does not need to explain Himself to us.
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11:27 pm
Except when people start using God to further their idea of what the world should be, that’s when others are going to step in and question ‘God’. People have abused religion before, all through-out history, when has that actually stopped? People like you will scare others who do things you disagree with and instead demonize what they do and try to get others to hurt that person until they stop doing what they were doing that pissed you off so much.
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11:33 pm
We need cheaper oil. The president should use any means, including religion, to accomplish that.
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12:02 am
Or we could find a substitute, that sounds a hell of a lot better than abusing faith and power.
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10:13 am
And when the Oil Runs out as it eventualy will who is America going to invade to Steal their wind power, their Tidal power,their Solar energy.
Perhaps ANY COUNTRY THAT HAS A NUCLEAR POWER STATION WILL BE INVADED.
maybe NUKE the AMAZON and get rid of the jungle so America can grow corn for ethernol alcohol.
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10:16 am
Hydrogen is better.
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10:40 am
I Agree
Liquid Hydrogen+ oxygen as a fuel burns with no pollution
exhaust waste is water
Water can be used to extract the Hydrogen/oxygen.
Nuclear Power provides the energy to convert water into Hydrogen/oxygen.
Create enough Surplus Hydrogen/oxygen to use as Rocket Fuel and any Nuclear Waste can be Dumped into our local Fusion incinerator.( the Sun)
result a cleaner Earth Environment.
But they wont like that because its less expensive to invade someone else and steal their resources.
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3:02 pm
it’s less expansive to wages war of another country ? huh last time I checked USA was in recession MOSTLY because of those stupid wars
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3:02 pm
that why rleigion should be banned because you use it to control the mass
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12:42 pm
“We need cheaper oil. The president should use any means, including religion, to accomplish that.”
Typical americans. All you want is oil.
The price for the oil won’t get cheaper that’s a fact. I’m sure you can research and compare the oil price from 10 or 20 years ago and from now.
Less oil -> higher price
Not hard to understand.
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12:41 pm
Religion is a disease of the mind, born of fear, which has done nothing but bring untold misery down upon the human race.
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12:39 pm
“Nothing created God”
The human mind did create him. There were a lot of things which they didn’t know how to explain, so they did create “god” and said it was his will.
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5:20 pm
OK, whilst reading this article I got a glimpse of what I thought was hell but then I realized it was just your bad grammer.
You reference the 7 deadly sins but those are not in the Bible.
You reference Andrew like being born poor and then dying a martyr would be fun.
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7:26 am
“…I thought was hell but then I realized it was just your bad grammer.”
Pretty funny that grammar comments are coming from someone who doesn’t even spell “grammar” correctly. Kind of ironic, isn’t it?
“You reference the 7 deadly sins but those are not in the Bible.”
Actually they are. The list is quite long.
“Another list, given this time by the Epistle to the Galatians (Galatians 5:19-21), includes more of the traditional seven sins, although the list is substantially longer:”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_deadly_sins
While “putting together” the accepted version of the Bible we know today, the “Seven Deadly Sins” were pulled from the text as considered the “worst” you could commit. The lists of such “sins” are quoted in SEVERAL places in the Bible.
You should check out this link. It goes to a site that’s a lot like this one.
http://www.mswm.org/7deadlysins.sevendeadlysins.htm
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10:19 am
the reference to the 7 deadly sins was one sentence, and it was to provide an example of a sin. please, please provide evidence of bad grammar, i am always looking for ways to improve myself, (just not capitalization in the comments) also, learn how to spell grammar if you are going to accuse someone of being poor at it.
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10:20 am
where did god come from? And if he always existed did he just wake up one morning and say “I am bored being alone how about I just create something.”
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3:43 pm
“(for example: Genesis 2:16-17 And the lord God commanded the man, saying of every tree of the Garden of Eden thou mayest freely eat; But of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou shall not eat of it, fir in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shat surely die.)”
You know what’s funny here?
1. He told them not to eat from that tree, but when they did so, their eyes did open. So “god” wanted that peolpe would live in a lie.
2. He told them that they will die, if they will eat from it. But as we know they didn’t. So he did lie.
3. Since “god” supose to know everyting, then he suposed to know that they will eat from the tree and that they will hide after they did so, while he did search for them. Why did he let them eat, if he did know it and why did he even search for them, if he supose to know where they are?
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1:44 pm
I love you dude. I wonder if you had the time to read all the retorts from the christians. After about 5 minutes, I got bored and just went back on 9gag.
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